Is Putin a strategic genius with his Ukraine campaign?

Trump is always correct

He said that in reference to the Crimea annexation

No…..Trump was talking about Putin outmaneuvering the EU and using their dependence on Russian energy.

But hey let's talk about someone who currently has no control or influence and avoid talking about Joe Biden and Co who has the ability to help but helps/hinders all in the same breath. So strange to watch.

mesocosm said:

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Is Putin a strategic genius with his Ukraine campaign?

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Link to the quote?

FCBlitz said:

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No…..Trump was talking about Putin outmaneuvering the EU and using their dependence on Russian energy.

But hey let's talk about someone who currently has no control or influence and avoid talking about Joe Biden and Co who has the ability to help but helps/hinders all in the same breath. So strange to watch.

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Uh. We'll you got that wrong. Go back and read what he actually said.

Obvious troll thread is obvious.

Oh JFC...

Is this the latest talking point that was handed out?

SMDH....

Gotta distract from the laptop drops

Wow, a post alleging to quote someone without the quote itself, or any context. What a real winner we got here

mesocosm said:

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Is Putin a strategic genius with his Ukraine campaign?

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Putin waited for weakness. He got it in spades. And he's making your boy his ***** on the world stage. Too bad the fraudulent pedophile is owned by US adversaries. This is what happens when you vote for idiots. And we all suffer.

The dumbass you voted for has us at 15% inflation and the world on fire.

Of course Trump was correct.

mesocosm said:

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Is Putin a strategic genius with his Ukraine campaign?

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It's definitely true that Putin would not have invaded Ukraine if Trump was President, no freaking way.

Marcus Brutus said:

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The dumbass you voted for has us at 50% inflation and the world on fire.

Of course Trump was correct.

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FIFY

Poor little broken leftist

Anything to not talk about how their vote for radical leftism has destroyed this country

Do you need me to tell you who is always wrong?

rgag12 said:

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Wow, a post alleging to quote someone without the quote itself, or any context. What a real winner we got here

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They are soooo smart. Just ask them.

mesocosm said:

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Is Putin a strategic genius with his Ukraine campaign?

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The Ukraine war is both a actual war in Ukraine and an economic war on USA and Western Europe. The longer the war drags out, yes the more it costs Russia but also the more it costs USA & western nations. Unlike Russia, USA and Western nations are more vulnerable to economic impacts to the morale of their populace.

Do I think this strategy is working or going to work? Honestly it is a guess. Do I think it can, yes.

Biden must be an economic genius with the inflation we have and doubling gas in less than a year.

aggie93 said:

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mesocosm said:

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Is Putin a strategic genius with his Ukraine campaign?

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It's definitely true that Putin would not have invaded Ukraine if Trump was President, no freaking way.

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That's not necessarily true. Russia was going to invade Ukraine at some point in time and waiting til 2025 represented a pretty big threat to a nation with Russia's demographics. I completely agree that Biden taking office when he did made it a guarantee that he would invade ASAP but there would have been a lot of downside to waiting out a second Trump term.

mesocosm said:

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Is Putin a strategic genius with his Ukraine campaign?

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He said it on February 22nd, so he clearly wasn't talking about the campaign, but you know that.

Quote:

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I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, "This is genius." Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine of Ukraine. Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that's wonderful.

So, Putin is now saying, "It's independent," a large section of Ukraine. I said, "How smart is that?" And he's gonna go in and be a peacekeeper.

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He was talking about declaring portions independent and moving in as peace keepers.

When's that Mueller investigation going to prove Trump colluded with Russia?

It's honestly amazing how Trump broke these folks armed with nothing but the raw unfiltered truth. They truly can't handle it.

Trump said this around February 22nd. The day of the invasion.
He was saying Putin was smart in the way he initially invaded the two eastern regions of Ukraine which resembled somewhat of how he took Crimea. In my opinion Trump was correct, however then Putin decided to bite off more than he could chew.

Now here's what Trump said on February 22nd:
" He used the word 'independent' and 'we're gonna go out and we're gonna go in and we're gonna help keep peace.' You gotta say that's pretty savvy."
"I said, 'How smart is that?' And he's gonna go in and be a peacekeeper. ... We could use that on our southern border,"

Putin was initially very savvy, but then he lost his mind.

texagbeliever said:

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mesocosm said:

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Is Putin a strategic genius with his Ukraine campaign?

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The Ukraine war is both a actual war in Ukraine and an economic war on USA and Western Europe. The longer the war drags out, yes the more it costs Russia but also the more it costs USA & western nations. Unlike Russia, USA and Western nations are more vulnerable to economic impacts to the morale of their populace.

Do I think this strategy is working or going to work? Honestly it is a guess. Do I think it can, yes.

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Europe has significant exposure to a protracted war but the US is more than capable of riding this thing out. Europe is not capable of generating sufficient energy to turn off the Russian tap but we are. I've heard that above $150 the president can actually block the export of oil which I wasn't aware of. That would bring our price way down even as the rest of the world tried to navigate huge shortages.

We're also capable of forcing China to stop buying Russian oil if we want to. I don't think we will but we can. they don't get enough from Russia to offset the loss of oil from the Persian Gulf if it came to that.

You're absolutely right about the morale angle. The west has forgotten what hard times look like.

But…it's still very much in the west's best interest to have Russia bogged down in Ukraine for as long as possible. Simply put it creates economic hardship for us but we don't and won't have troops in Ukraine whereas we will have to defend the next target after they take over Ukraine. Ideally this action would become so painful that Russia would withdraw and take the L because the alternative is that they win (they will) then we're at an actual standoff as they eye invading a NATO nation.

mesocosm said:

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Is Putin a strategic genius with his Ukraine campaign?

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Hilarious. Question: who is hurt the most from higher food cost, higher gas cost, war, unemployment?

Answer: the poor.

Demented Joe is killing the poor and OP is more interested in the powerless words of an ex-president.

Obvious and typical, but needs to be said often.

mesocosm said:

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Is Putin a strategic genius with his Ukraine campaign?

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Well, since Putin has caused our gas prices and grocery prices to experience economic crippling growth, all according to Jen Psaki, then yeah I guess Putin is a genius. The Fed has been trying to engineer inflation for a decade. According to Jen Psaki, Putin engineered American inflation in a week.

Ben Bernanke tried and failed
Janet Yellen tried and failed
Jerome Powell tried and failed
Vlad Putin tried a few weeks ago, and succeeded.

This, of course, all according to the Biden regime. So you tell me, was Trump right? Because your people have been calling him right for a month. You're just too dense to see it.

FCBlitz said:

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No…..Trump was talking about Putin outmaneuvering the EU and using their dependence on Russian energy.

But hey let's talk about someone who currently has no control or influence and avoid talking about Joe Biden and Co who has the ability to help but helps/hinders all in the same breath. So strange to watch.

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It's called Trump Derangement Syndrome.

When leftists' idiotic beliefs and policies play out and inevitably fail, they don't know what to do, so they revert to their basic instincts….

"Orange man bad"

mesocosm said:

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Is Putin a strategic genius with his Ukraine campaign?

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Probably would have been except for the minor misunderstanding about how capable his army was of fighting a near peer opponent, and how crafty the Uke farmers are.

Watched the Trump quote and all he did was affirm that Putin outfoxed Obama, and now Biden, and recognized that "Art of the Deal" style as Putin thought he would repeat his unopposed performances in Crimea, Georgia and Eastern Ukraine before the invasion. Little different from being a fan boy of Putin. Trump's only mistake was not realizing how inept Russia is under Putin. Russia is only a superpower now for as long as it takes the nuke arsenal to fall into the same disrepair as the rest of the army and I suspect Japan will take a little piece by taking the islands back, and China will exploit the resources in the East.

So I guess Trump was actually wrong. In reality, Putin is nowhere near as smart as we thought he was....

mesocosm said:

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You going to provide a link to the quote or nah?

My coment on America was more that the morale of higher cost of goods through high natural gas and gasoline prices (manufacturing, transportation etc) is politically damaging for the party in charge.
Due to our election cycle the democratic party could be staring at significant and unrecoverable political losses in local, state, house and senate elections. So Biden, and the progressive democrats could be in a desperate position to end this war if they are unable to make it all about Russia.

texagbeliever said:

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My coment on America was more that the morale of higher cost of goods through high natural gas and gasoline prices (manufacturing, transportation etc) is politically damaging for the party in charge.
Due to our election cycle the democratic party could be staring at significant and unrecoverable political losses in local, state, house and senate elections. So Biden, and the progressive democrats could be in a desperate position to end this war if they are unable to make it all about Russia.

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Got it. Yeah, I agree with that. The inability of our political class to be honest with us about the state of affairs creates a bad situation for everyone.

OP is like a fart in the wind.

LOYAL AG said:

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aggie93 said:

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mesocosm said:

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Is Putin a strategic genius with his Ukraine campaign?

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It's definitely true that Putin would not have invaded Ukraine if Trump was President, no freaking way.

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That's not necessarily true. Russia was going to invade Ukraine at some point in time and waiting til 2025 represented a pretty big threat to a nation with Russia's demographics. I completely agree that Biden taking office when he did made it a guarantee that he would invade ASAP but there would have been a lot of downside to waiting out a second Trump term.

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Very doubtful. Trump had slapped Putin's hand hard every time he stepped over the line with him. He shut down Norstream 2 and he told Vlad that if he invaded Ukraine he would send missiles to Moscow. He certainly would have been making sure that Ukraine was far better armed and prepared if he saw Russia threatening invasion which would have also given Vlad pause.

What likely would have happened isn't an invasion but rather Russia would have stepped up diplomatic pressure on Ukraine to give Russia what it wanted. Promising not to join NATO for instance. Maybe allowing some other concessions. Ukraine would have done quite a bit to avoid a Russian invasion and there were certainly compromises, especially compromises that could have punted the issue until 2025. The key to everything was making Vlad know that invading Ukraine was going to be a disaster for him and he still might not win but giving him a Door #2 or Door #3. Instead you had Biden acting just like Obama did prior to the Crimea takeover making Vlad assume this would be the same.

One thing Trump understood was America First. He protected American interests and didn't feel obligated to be world cop. He didn't see any reason why the US needed to play fair or that we needed to look out for the interests of other countries for free. For instance a Russian invasion of Ukraine was bad for us. Russia making Ukraine give up all kinds of compromise to Russia though wouldn't really affect us much at all. Russia isn't going to invade the US or Western Europe. Our economy and power dwarf theirs. Trump could see the bigger picture, it's how he was able to solve the Middle Eastern issues we had so effectively and that was a lot harder than Ukraine.

Is it possible that Putin invades anyway? I mean it's possible but it's unlikely based on what Trump had done up until that point.

RGLAG85 said:

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OP is like a fart in the wind.

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OP is about as honest as Adam Schiff.