Alte Schule said:

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Unfortunately in war atrocities against non combatants will occur. Unless the persons committing such heinous crimes are caught in the act you will never know whom or what side is responsible.

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That's nowhere close to being factual.

Of course you can. The real point is trying to understand someone's motives.

Some are good but misdirected.
Some are good but may come across as a different POV
Some are trying to stir pot bc they think it is funny
Some are bad

Usually pretty easy to figure out.

OverSeas AG said:

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Aggrad08 said:

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What if tucker Carlson really is a Russian stooge and he's being paid to sow discord?

I'm not saying he is, but what if, I'm just asking questions. I mean it's not spewing unfounded conspiracy theory garbage if you just ask questions right?

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If you were sincere, it would be fine.

All of you just believing everything you are spoonfed, from whatever side you believe in is pathetically stupid.

Question everything, including Tucker's motives, the NYTs motives, Biden's, Trump's, posters on this board, etc. only the fool simply believes.

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Sincere stupidity isn't fine. You don't get to spout unfounded unevidenced conspiracy theory nonsense under the guise of "just asking questions". It's boorish behavior, all the more inappropriate given his position.

You want to spout off such a stupid assertion back it up with at least something.

This isn't simple questioning or skepticism, I can't believe you can't see that

I don't know about Tucker's assertion but I do know both Russia and Ukraine are not lovers of freedom. Putin wants to reunite the old Russian empire and Zelensky who the media have raised as some new Churchill didn't waste time to claim martial law and make every other political party illegal.

In my worldview; Putin is capable of horrendous things. Not saying a handful of executed prisoners and raped + tortured + murdered civilians isn't horrendous, but the scale of it isnt even a fraction of what I think he capable of.

That said - how the hell is this surprising to folks who have been screaming about how evil he is for the past month?!?

Also - how do folks pivot so quickly back to blanket trust in media and unknown sources?!? "Here's a picture of roadside trash and a backstory that you're not allowed to question!" And I get that it all may be true and horrific - but I have about 2% of my institutional trust left, and a loathing for those who inflate anecdote above strategy, so pardon me while I don't find it a sufficiently compelling argument for me to become pro-WWIII with you.

Again, where is the video of him saying this?

Israel and Israeli Ambassador

https://m.jpost.com/international/article-703059/amp

Deeply shocked be the photos from #Bucha. Killing of civilians is a war crime and cannot be justified. #UkraineRussiaWar #Ukraine

— Michael Brodsky (@michael_brodsk) April 3, 2022

blacksox said:

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There's a lot of Russian bootlickers here. Weird.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-04-03/what-if-fox-news-viewers-watched-cnn-instead

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While you're not wrong, you're wrong.

Bloomberg and Vox as sources? GTFO.

FIDO95 said:

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It's okay to question anything and everything. However, simply apply Occam's razor:

Fact: Ukrainian civilians were executed in cold blood.

Option 1: Russians did it. A poorly trained and disciplined army is getting their teeth kicked in and having to retreat. The have seen their friends get cooked off in armored vehicles. They are angry, cold, hungry, and embarrassed. They take it out on the populace.

Option 2: The Ukrainians want to stir up Western Support. They liberate an area. When the populace comes out to great them, they gun down their own country men. The coerce other survivors to tell a story that the Russians did it.

I know I'm just a simple Aggie but it doesn't seem to hard to decern the likely truth between those two options.

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Or this scenario. Soldiers fire an anti tank missile, miss their target, and hit a building where there are civilians. Rather than admit the truth and face ridicule the other side is blamed.

Alte Schule said:

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FIDO95 said:

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It's okay to question anything and everything. However, simply apply Occam's razor:

Fact: Ukrainian civilians were executed in cold blood.

Option 1: Russians did it. A poorly trained and disciplined army is getting their teeth kicked in and having to retreat. The have seen their friends get cooked off in armored vehicles. They are angry, cold, hungry, and embarrassed. They take it out on the populace.

Option 2: The Ukrainians want to stir up Western Support. They liberate an area. When the populace comes out to great them, they gun down their own country men. The coerce other survivors to tell a story that the Russians did it.

I know I'm just a simple Aggie but it doesn't seem to hard to decern the likely truth between those two options.

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Or this scenario. Soldiers fire an anti tank missile, miss their target, and hit a building where there are civilians. Rather than admit the truth and face ridicule the other side is blamed.

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So, since you have experience in firing "anti-tank missiles," how likely is your scenario?

Rossticus said:

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Alte Schule said:

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Unfortunately in war atrocities against non combatants will occur. Unless the persons committing such heinous crimes are caught in the act you will never know whom or what side is responsible.

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That's nowhere close to being factual.

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How so? Please explain.

Rossticus said:

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BBC

https://www.bbc.com/news/60981238.amp

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More often than not, "fact-checking" is actually gas lighting....especially from left biased sources.

Alte Schule said:

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Rossticus said:

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Alte Schule said:

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Unfortunately in war atrocities against non combatants will occur. Unless the persons committing such heinous crimes are caught in the act you will never know whom or what side is responsible.

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That's nowhere close to being factual.

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How so? Please explain.

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Satellite imagery, surveillance imagery, intelligence, eyewitnesses, cell phones, imbedded reporters, etc.

Russian war crimes as well as war crimes by other entities from previous conflicts have been tried, with ample evidence, and been found guilty in legally conclusive fashion. It's like any other crime.

Nobody cares... when **** like this makes the news, it has to be a slow news day.

Or, what did PeePaw say that the news outlets are trying to cover up?

thirdcoast said:

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Rossticus said:

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BBC

https://www.bbc.com/news/60981238.amp

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More often than not, "fact-checking" is actually gas lighting....especially from left biased sources.

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Can you point out flaws in the methodology employed by the BBC in this instance so that I can understand what you're specifically referring to?

rgag12 said:

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He has a point

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No, he does not.

Edit: assuming he said it

I believe that the text was intended to be sarcasm. It was a response to a tweet about the events in Bucha.

Aggrad08 said:

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OverSeas AG said:

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Aggrad08 said:

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What if tucker Carlson really is a Russian stooge and he's being paid to sow discord?

I'm not saying he is, but what if, I'm just asking questions. I mean it's not spewing unfounded conspiracy theory garbage if you just ask questions right?

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If you were sincere, it would be fine.

All of you just believing everything you are spoonfed, from whatever side you believe in is pathetically stupid.

Question everything, including Tucker's motives, the NYTs motives, Biden's, Trump's, posters on this board, etc. only the fool simply believes.

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Sincere stupidity isn't fine. You don't get to spout unfounded unevidenced conspiracy theory nonsense under the guise of "just asking questions". It's boorish behavior, all the more inappropriate given his position.

You want to spout off such a stupid assertion back it up with at least something.

This isn't simple questioning or skepticism, I can't believe you can't see that

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Of course it isnt simple questioning. But the question should be asked. Any good investigator doesnt walk into something presuming anything. They ask questions. Even if what they see appears to be open and shut.

But what Tucker apparently did is what MSM, repubs and dems have been doing forever. It is bad behavior, yet people keep falling for it all the time. They dont question anything and instead just take their "side." I haven't seen you say "Yes that is a good question to ask: what really happened here." You could ask that and still point out that Tuckers motives are less than pure.

So no, i dont buy your sincerity any more than his.

MiniShrike said:

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Alte Schule said:

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FIDO95 said:

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It's okay to question anything and everything. However, simply apply Occam's razor:

Fact: Ukrainian civilians were executed in cold blood.

Option 1: Russians did it. A poorly trained and disciplined army is getting their teeth kicked in and having to retreat. The have seen their friends get cooked off in armored vehicles. They are angry, cold, hungry, and embarrassed. They take it out on the populace.

Option 2: The Ukrainians want to stir up Western Support. They liberate an area. When the populace comes out to great them, they gun down their own country men. The coerce other survivors to tell a story that the Russians did it.

I know I'm just a simple Aggie but it doesn't seem to hard to decern the likely truth between those two options.

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Or this scenario. Soldiers fire an anti tank missile, miss their target, and hit a building where there are civilians. Rather than admit the truth and face ridicule the other side is blamed.

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So, since you have experience in firing "anti-tank missiles," how likely is your scenario?

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!0 year Army veteran. Fired the LAWS anti tank weapon four times over the years during training and one time in Viet Nam. I hit my target but was off by about 10 feet from where I aimed. Probably had to do with the other side not wanting me there.

I suppose the difference between war crimes is our leaders admit mistakes while other leaders do not?

Notice how many nations were impacted by our drone program.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/world/obama-says-u-s-drone-strikes-killed-civilians-that-shouldnt-have-been

https://www.foxnews.com/world/bucha-massacre-russia-accused-of-atrocities-in-ukraine

Video and eyewitness interviews:

https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-russia-bucha-massacre/31785407.html

https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-bucha-killings-russia-/31785129.html

https://www.foxnews.com/world/world-leaders-react-to-bucha-ukraine-massacre-russia-blamed



https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-mass-graves-evidence-of-torture-and-bodies-in-basements-the-bucha-left-behind-by-russian-troops-12582562

Just to make it clear Russian propoganda started this conspiracy earlier today. In fact Tucker Carlson, has been perfectly in-line with Russian propoganda since the start of this conflict. Really makes you think. Just asking questions.

Gordo14 said:

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Just to make it clear Russian propoganda started this conspiracy earlier today. In fact Tucker Carlson, has been perfectly in-line with Russian propoganda since the start of this conflict. Really makes you think. Just asking questions.

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Where's the video?

Rossticus said:

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Alte Schule said:

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Rossticus said:

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Alte Schule said:

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Unfortunately in war atrocities against non combatants will occur. Unless the persons committing such heinous crimes are caught in the act you will never know whom or what side is responsible.

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That's nowhere close to being factual.

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How so? Please explain.

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Satellite imagery, surveillance imagery, intelligence, eyewitnesses, cell phones, imbedded reporters, etc.

Russian war crimes as well as war crimes by other entities from previous conflicts have been tried, with ample evidence, and been found guilty in legally conclusive fashion. It's like any other crime.

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Sure if all of the technology is available and in use and there were eye witnesses or embedded reporters around. The NVA/VC, ARVN (South Viet Nam Army) and to some extent the Americans and their allies committed atrocities that were never reported.

Alte Schule said:

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Rossticus said:

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Alte Schule said:

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Rossticus said:

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Alte Schule said:

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Unfortunately in war atrocities against non combatants will occur. Unless the persons committing such heinous crimes are caught in the act you will never know whom or what side is responsible.

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That's nowhere close to being factual.

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How so? Please explain.

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Satellite imagery, surveillance imagery, intelligence, eyewitnesses, cell phones, imbedded reporters, etc.

Russian war crimes as well as war crimes by other entities from previous conflicts have been tried, with ample evidence, and been found guilty in legally conclusive fashion. It's like any other crime.

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Sure if all of the technology is available and in use and there were eye witnesses or embedded reporters around. The NVA/VC, ARVN (South Viet Nam Army) and to some extent the Americans and their allies committed atrocities that were never reported.

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There are lots of eyes these days, and in this case.

Rossticus said:

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thirdcoast said:

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Rossticus said:

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BBC

https://www.bbc.com/news/60981238.amp

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More often than not, "fact-checking" is actually gas lighting....especially from left biased sources.

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Can you point out flaws in the methodology employed by the BBC in this instance so that I can understand what you're specifically referring to?

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I wasn't being specific. I was speaking in general terms that we should all be skeptical of "fact-checking" with modern mainstream media.

I was specific on the "couple hundred thousand" refugees fleeing to Russia and Belarus. You claimed they were all forced and didn't choose sides. Do you have anything to support that assertion?

Of course ALL refugees are forced to flee innwar time. But a minority of Ukrainians are pro-Russia. Here is an article on refugees applying/fleeing to Russia a few years ago. Did all that sentiment disappear since then? What support do you have that the 200-300k refugees going to Russia would have rather gone West?

https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/the-great-exodus-ukraines-refugees-flee-to-russia

Just because I want the Ukraine to prevail doesn't mean I don't think they aren't a sizable pile of Eastern European thugs themselves.

aggrad02 said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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He's always just "asking questions". That's his plausibly deniable code phrase for spewing conspiracy BS.

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This, and he spews it because his audience eats it up. Look at the posts above… Conspiracy theory Trumpist support Russia, are upset that people aren't buying the BS, Tucker notices this and feeds it back to them and they lap it up.

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Rather than you, who supports the "ghost of kiev" or the glorious sacrifice of the soldiers at "snake island".

Ukraine is pumping out propaganda. I'm not going to believe **** from either side.

MiniShrike said:

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Gordo14 said:

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Just to make it clear Russian propoganda started this conspiracy earlier today. In fact Tucker Carlson, has been perfectly in-line with Russian propoganda since the start of this conflict. Really makes you think. Just asking questions.

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Where's the video?

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Not that I believe for a second you'll really take the time to look into it...


But here's a great consolidation of all the times Tucker Carlson and Russian state media have fallen in line.
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23tuckyorose&src=typed_query

Make sure to go all the way back to at least January.

Gordo14 said:

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Just to make it clear Russian propoganda started this conspiracy earlier today. In fact Tucker Carlson, has been perfectly in-line with Russian propoganda since the start of this conflict. Really makes you think. Just asking questions.

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Ah! So the new version of "Science Denier!" is now "Russian Propagandist!" Convenient that y'all's coding allows for a quick 'find and replace'

Alte Schule said:

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Unfortunately in war atrocities against non combatants will occur. Unless the persons committing such heinous crimes are caught in the act you will never know whom or what side is responsible.

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I can get there are incidents of a few bad actors doing bad things to a small number of people in war. They should be prosecuted to the fullest extent.

This is in a totally different ball park.

hbtheduce said:

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aggrad02 said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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He's always just "asking questions". That's his plausibly deniable code phrase for spewing conspiracy BS.

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This, and he spews it because his audience eats it up. Look at the posts above… Conspiracy theory Trumpist support Russia, are upset that people aren't buying the BS, Tucker notices this and feeds it back to them and they lap it up.

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Rather than you, who supports the "ghost of kiev" or the glorious sacrifice of the soldiers at "snake island".

Ukraine is pumping out propaganda. I'm not going to believe **** from either side.

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Propoganda to support morale against an invading force =/= propoganda baselessly (worse than baseless, factually incorrect) justifying an invasion by calling a country with a Jewish president Nazis. The fact that you can't see the difference is... sad

NO

The answer is NO

Tucker Carlson did not really say that.

Gordo14 said:

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MiniShrike said:

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Gordo14 said:

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Just to make it clear Russian propoganda started this conspiracy earlier today. In fact Tucker Carlson, has been perfectly in-line with Russian propoganda since the start of this conflict. Really makes you think. Just asking questions.

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Where's the video?

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Not that I believe for a second you'll really take the time to look into it...


But here's a great consolidation of all the times Tucker Carlson and Russian state media have fallen in line.
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23tuckyorose&src=typed_query

Make sure to go all the way back to at least January.

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Ok, I'll look into your hooker urination video.

But specifically, where is the video of Tucker Carlson saying the things in the OP?

I'm not in any way defending him. I think this whole thread has a weird binary Marxist/Authoritarian vibe to it which frankly disgusts me. It's abundantly clear that the Russians are the ****ing bad guys here, atrocities were committed, and that Putin is a criminal.

But the OP asked a question, however spurious the intent.

Where is the video?