It's a valid question. Both sides are spewing tons of fake news.shiftyandquick said:.@TuckerCarlson tonight: “What if these bodies of tortured, dead civilians were staged? What if they’re fake? What if the Ukrainian military killed them & then blamed Russia? I’m not saying any of this is true, I’m just asking the questions. Why can’t we ask these questions?”
— Joe Walsh (@WalshFreedom) April 4, 2022
rgag12 said:
He has a point
No, he didn't say that.shiftyandquick said:.@TuckerCarlson tonight: “What if these bodies of tortured, dead civilians were staged? What if they’re fake? What if the Ukrainian military killed them & then blamed Russia? I’m not saying any of this is true, I’m just asking the questions. Why can’t we ask these questions?”
— Joe Walsh (@WalshFreedom) April 4, 2022
AGHouston11 said:
Not seeing this I wondered the same thing when I saw some footage on TV. It looked sort of staged. Huge trenches dug with a few black body bags. They were calling it mass graves.
Not calling it fake but it's hard to believe everything on the news these days. Investigative journalism is dead.
I'm not going to (try) to copy the satellite images from Maxar Technologies (which has been publishing shots of satellite shots of military convoys, etc. from the invasion's beginning) or the pictures of dead bodies.Quote:
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An analysis of satellite images by The New York Times rebuts claims by Russia that the killing of civilians in Bucha, a suburb of Kyiv, occurred after its soldiers had left the town.
When images emerged over the weekend of the bodies of dead civilians lying on the streets of Bucha some with their hands bound, some with gunshot wounds to the head Russia's Ministry of Defense denied responsibility. In a Telegram post on Sunday, the ministry suggested that the bodies had been recently placed on the streets after "all Russian units withdrew completely from Bucha" around March 30.
Russia claimed that the images were "another hoax" and called for an emergency U.N. Security Council meeting on what it called "provocations of Ukrainian radicals" in Bucha.
But a review of videos and satellite imagery by The Times shows that many of the civilians were killed more than three weeks ago, when Russia's military was in control of the town.
One video filmed by a local council member on April 2 shows multiple bodies scattered along Yablonska Street in Bucha. Satellite images provided to The Times by Maxar Technologies show that at least 11 of those had been on the street since March 11, when Russia, by its own account, occupied the town.
(Time lapse satellite video showing bodies in street on March 19, when Russia was still in control)
To confirm when the bodies appeared, and when the civilians were likely killed, the Visual Investigations team at The Times conducted a before-and-after analysis of satellite imagery. The images show dark objects of similar size to a human body appearing on Yablonska Street between March 9 and March 11.
The objects appear in the precise positions in which the bodies were found after Ukrainian forces reclaimed Bucha, as the footage from April 2 shows. Further analysis shows that the objects remained in those position for over three weeks.
The causes of death are unclear. Some of the bodies were beside what appears to be an impact crater. Others were near abandoned cars. Three of the bodies lay beside bicycles. Some have their hands bound behind their backs with white cloth. The bodies were scattered over more than half a mile of Yablonska Street.
A second video taken on Yablonska Street shows three more bodies. One lies beside a bicycle, another near an abandoned car. Satellite imagery shows that the abandoned cars and the nearby body appear between March 20 and 21.
(More images of deceased)
These are just some of the civilian bodies discovered since Saturday. The Associated Press published images of at least six dead men lying together in the rear of an office building, some with hands tied behind their backs. The building is one mile west of the other victims found along Yablonska Street.
Another mile further along, a photographer with The Times discovered the body of a man with a gunshot wound to his head lying beside a bicycle.
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I think they are almost certainly real but that doesn't mean they may not be. Ukraine has put out a lot of fake info from the start in this war with the Ghost of Kiev and beyond. If it's real they should send in international journalists to confirm it, that would be the smart thing. If it happened then the more validation the better.Rossticus said:
What fake news has emerged and been confirmed that supports a narrative that Ukraine killed their own citizens and staged this?
Based on similar Russian actions previously confirmed during operations in Syria and Chechnya, what leads you to believe that this is more likely a Ukrainian conspiracy than the repeat of a previously confirmed page out of the Russian military playbook?
Rossticus said:AGHouston11 said:
Not seeing this I wondered the same thing when I saw some footage on TV. It looked sort of staged. Huge trenches dug with a few black body bags. They were calling it mass graves.
Not calling it fake but it's hard to believe everything on the news these days. Investigative journalism is dead.
There is a ton of independent photographic and video evidence at your fingertips and it does not look staged as long as you're not too lazy or weak of stomach to look at it.
moldaggie said:
If this is true, that's waaay over the line. He has made other comments that support Russia (in general) more than the US. If a Republican was President, I doubt he would talk about these types of things.
I'm disappointed, as I like him and will continue to watch him, it just doesn't make sense. That said, he can say whatever he wants and people can watch tune in or not.
Yep, me too.Sid Farkas said:
I love tucker. nobody is a bigger fan than me...but i'm fully fed up with his ukraine ***** at first it sounded legit - now it sounds stupid
AGHouston11 said:
Not seeing this I wondered the same thing when I saw some footage on TV. It looked sort of staged. Huge trenches dug with a few black body bags. They were calling it mass graves.
Not calling it fake but it's hard to believe everything on the news these days. Investigative journalism is dead.
You mean a tweet from a partisan hack itsn't enough.....lol;MiniShrike said:
It should be a fairly simple question to answer.
Where's the video?
aggie93 said:I think they are almost certainly real but that doesn't mean they may not be. Ukraine has put out a lot of fake info from the start in this war with the Ghost of Kiev and beyond. If it's real they should send in international journalists to confirm it, that would be the smart thing. If it happened then the more validation the better.Rossticus said:
What fake news has emerged and been confirmed that supports a narrative that Ukraine killed their own citizens and staged this?
Based on similar Russian actions previously confirmed during operations in Syria and Chechnya, what leads you to believe that this is more likely a Ukrainian conspiracy than the repeat of a previously confirmed page out of the Russian military playbook?
The tweet says 7 am.....so I guess, it's bs?Valtrex11 said:You mean a tweet from a partisan hack itsn't enough.....lol;MiniShrike said:
It should be a fairly simple question to answer.
Where's the video?
Aggie4Life02 said:moldaggie said:
If this is true, that's waaay over the line. He has made other comments that support Russia (in general) more than the US. If a Republican was President, I doubt he would talk about these types of things.
I'm disappointed, as I like him and will continue to watch him, it just doesn't make sense. That said, he can say whatever he wants and people can watch tune in or not.
War seems to bring out a lot of false dichotomy and forced side choosing. Maybe Zelenskyy and Putin are both A-holes.
