New York set to ban natural gas in new buildings -environmental groups (msn.com)

I hope they freeze

"New York to set itself on fire and then blame Trump for the damages!"

Good. More natural gas for everyone else and hopefully they pay dearly for doing this.

Let them burn solar panels.

I guess they are fast tracking the unicorn fart farms all across New York…..

Pssst! They have to ban it for new construction. Cuomo killed a pipeline and the natural gas available is maxed out. New taps would deplete the pressure. This has been in the works for a couple of years. Dems just flatout don't understand how pipelines work.

aggiehawg said:

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Pssst! They have to ban it for new construction. Cuomo killed a pipeline and the natural gas available is maxed out. New taps would deplete the pressure. This has been in the works for a couple of years. Dems just flatout don't understand how pipelines work.

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Thanks. I had forgotten about that.

Marcus Brutus said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Pssst! They have to ban it for new construction. Cuomo killed a pipeline and the natural gas available is maxed out. New taps would deplete the pressure. This has been in the works for a couple of years. Dems just flatout don't understand how pipelines work.

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Thanks. I had forgotten about that.

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Cuomo was also threatening to take over ConEd while closing power plants and hampering their ability to power the grid adequately.

Stop all hydrocarbons coming into New York…. Gasoline, natural gas, diesel, fuel oil, propane, butane, coal etc. etc.

Let's give them what they want!

Can you still have a coal furnace in the basement? Those work well with liquid radiators.

Stupid ****ing liberals

Well so much for New Construction of anything. This is absolute foolishness.

Nooo, they'll move to Florida! We are effing full AF!

Just a lib thing.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/new-california-rules-move-state-away-natural-gas-new-buildings-2021-08-11/


Racist too!

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertbryce/2020/12/15/californias-natural-gas-bans-are-drawing-fire-from-black-and-latino-leaders/amp/

This one is pretty straight forward.

Burn the gas on site and use the heat directly? Or burn it miles away to create steam to turn a turbine to turn a generator and transmit the electricity to a site and sight and use really inefficient means to create heat to use.

Time to reboot the "Let the ******** Freeze in the Dark" bumper stickers I remember from the 70s.

aggiehawg said:

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Pssst! They have to ban it for new construction. Cuomo killed a pipeline and the natural gas available is maxed out. New taps would deplete the pressure. This has been in the works for a couple of years. Dems just flatout don't understand how pipelines work.

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The only pipes a liberal man knows jack about are the ones his wife's boyfriend is laying in her.

****ing loonies

cecil77 said:

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This one is pretty straight forward.

Burn the gas on site and use the heat directly? Or burn it miles away to create steam to turn a turbine to turn a generator and transmit the electricity to a site and sight and use really inefficient means to create heat to use.

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Electric heat is the most efficient heat source, it's 100% efficient.

However, it's also much more expensive the natural gas for heating. A good natural gas furnace is up to 96% efficient.

EMY92 said:

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cecil77 said:

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This one is pretty straight forward.

Burn the gas on site and use the heat directly? Or burn it miles away to create steam to turn a turbine to turn a generator and transmit the electricity to a site and sight and use really inefficient means to create heat to use.

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Electric heat is the most efficient heat source, it's 100% efficient.

However, it's also much more expensive the natural gas for heating. A good natural gas furnace is up to 96% efficient.

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I think you missed the point.

It requires more gas to generate and transport the electricity used for an electric heater than just running the gas to a building and using it in a gas heater.

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Electric heat is the most efficient heat source, it's 100% efficient.

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Not really, yes Joule heating has a COP of 1.0, but a heat pump is like 3 or so.

Heat pumps are way more efficient than "electric heat".

But burning it a hundred miles away and using it to heat water to make steam (losses) and using the steam to turn a turbine (losses) to turn a generator (losses) to transmit at HV (small losses) and transform to lower voltage (losses) and transmit to the home (losses.)

Much more efficient to burn it at home in the first place.

Compare winter heating bills for a home w/ gas heat compare to electric heat or heat pumps. Gas costs are significantly lower.

You want to know how I know Texas real estate is going to continue going up?

aggiehawg said:

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Pssst! They have to ban it for new construction. Cuomo killed a pipeline and the natural gas available is maxed out. New taps would deplete the pressure. This has been in the works for a couple of years. Dems just flatout don't understand how pipelines work.

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This was hilarious. He killed the pipeline, and the gas companies stopped signing up new customers saying they didn't have any more capacity. Cuomo and his clowns then passed a law that required the gas company to do installs for new customers. Now NY is reversing that.

Democrats are just stupid.

kb2001 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Pssst! They have to ban it for new construction. Cuomo killed a pipeline and the natural gas available is maxed out. New taps would deplete the pressure. This has been in the works for a couple of years. Dems just flatout don't understand how pipelines work.

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This was hilarious. He killed the pipeline, and the gas companies stopped signing up new customers saying they didn't have any more capacity. Cuomo and his clowns then passed a law that required the gas company to do installs for new customers. Now NY is reversing that.

Democrats are just stupid.

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Exactly.

Not sure a laughing emoticon is appropriate as there are many innocent victims of this policy that don't live in NYC and deserve whatever will be their fate.

What is ironic is that Democrats keep on saying they love the environment and climate change is real, however, just about every solution they provide is worse for the environment. EV's with their need for precious metals, and using more gas and coal to power the electricity. This example here in NY is going to use significantly more power to create it off site and transport to locations, wind turbine ideas would have cut down state sized forests, kill wildlife to get the kind of energy you would need. And the voters are too dumb to think through it!

Let's go NY!!

They'll have to use electric heaters …. Where the electricity will be generated by natural gas

cecil77 said:

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Electric heat is the most efficient heat source, it's 100% efficient.

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Not really, yes Joule heating has a COP of 1.0, but a heat pump is like 3 or so.

Heat pumps are way more efficient than "electric heat".

But burning it a hundred miles away and using it to heat water to make steam (losses) and using the steam to turn a turbine (losses) to turn a generator (losses) to transmit at HV (small losses) and transform to lower voltage (losses) and transmit to the home (losses.)

Much more efficient to burn it at home in the first place.

Compare winter heating bills for a home w/ gas heat compare to electric heat or heat pumps. Gas costs are significantly lower.

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Electric heat is outrageously expensive. I had a heat pump in the past. You never wanted to get to the point where the heat was being genned by the heat strips. The electric meter would spin like a top.

I'm not making excuses for idiot democrats and their stupid policies, but there is one advantage to eliminating all natural gas. You can eliminate quite a bit of below grade infrastructure construction and maintenance. If you go all electric you only have one energy system to deal with instead of two.

But that is a concept. The reality is that you have existing systems that are not going to be replaced overnight. It would take decades to phase out gas for an entire city like NY.

EMY92 said:

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cecil77 said:

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This one is pretty straight forward.

Burn the gas on site and use the heat directly? Or burn it miles away to create steam to turn a turbine to turn a generator and transmit the electricity to a site and sight and use really inefficient means to create heat to use.

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Electric heat is the most efficient heat source, it's 100% efficient.

However, it's also much more expensive the natural gas for heating. A good natural gas furnace is up to 96% efficient.

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Prove it.

Love it! Hope they wallow in misery from the cold.

If memory serves some of the new buildings had diesel generators designed in for backup power . There's the head scratcher for me. Can't bring in much cleaner burning gas but can bring in a dirty Diesel engine. I guess if you don't approve the gas pipelines then there's no point in nat gas heat or standby power but the whole thing is so frieking backwards from what would be the most environmentally sound and cost efficient solution.

Why do they need new buildings anyway tho? I thought the city was shrinking and people were working remotely now and not commuting in? Has that trend reversed already?

Martin Q. Blank said:

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EMY92 said:

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cecil77 said:

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This one is pretty straight forward.

Burn the gas on site and use the heat directly? Or burn it miles away to create steam to turn a turbine to turn a generator and transmit the electricity to a site and sight and use really inefficient means to create heat to use.

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Electric heat is the most efficient heat source, it's 100% efficient.

However, it's also much more expensive the natural gas for heating. A good natural gas furnace is up to 96% efficient.

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Prove it.

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[url=https://www.energy.gov/energysaver/electric-resistance-heating][/url]

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Electric resistance heating is 100% energy efficient in the sense that all the incoming electric energy is converted to heat.

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https://www.energy.gov/energysaver/electric-resistance-heating