I'd argue it should go through middle school or not be allowed in school at all. What makes 4th graders ready for this stuff?

Is 4th grade the first time they introduce the beginning of sex education?

Kenneth_2003 said:

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Is 4th grade the first time they introduce the beginning of sex education?

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At least when I wasin Florida schools, this was the case.

There is literally no other reason not to support this bill aside from your desire to groom children.

None.

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Kenneth_2003 said:

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Is 4th grade the first time they introduce the beginning of sex education?

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At least when I wasin Florida schools, this was the case.

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Then it would make sense the first pass would be, "No mentioning topics outside of the pre-established curriculum."

They want to teach sex Ed before babies can be had, 8-9 years old for some women

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There is literally no other reason not to support this bill aside from your desire to groom children.

None.

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The people who are against this bill are a very minor but vocal minority. Basically mouth breathers on Twitter.

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Is 4th grade the first time they introduce the beginning of sex education?

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At least when I wasin Florida schools, this was the case.

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I just left Florida for Missouri, if I remember right sex ed starts in 5th or 6th grade there

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Kenneth_2003 said:

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Is 4th grade the first time they introduce the beginning of sex education?

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At least when I wasin Florida schools, this was the case.

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Y'all get sex ed?

I remember having sex ed in 4th grade. For girls, it's important to start then because periods are coming soon for some of them, and they need to know what to expect. I realize parents should teach this and not depend on the schools to do it, but this way ensures kids with bad/stupid parents still get this information and it can be trusted. If my wife weren't around to teach my daughters, I'd have a hard time teaching them without help from a woman.

I would imagine it's pretty terrifying for young girls to learn their vaginas are going to bleed for a week every month for the next 30-40 years, probably best not to scare them until 4th grade when it could be imminent. There is no reason to start before 4th grade, and the bill reinforces that sex ed won't be taught before 4th grade.

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I remember having sex ed in 4th grade. For girls, it's important to start then because periods are coming soon for some of them, and they need to know what to expect. I realize parents should teach this and not depend on the schools to do it, but this way ensures kids with bad/stupid parents still get this information and it can be trusted. If my wife weren't around to teach my daughters, I'd have a hard time teaching them without help from a woman.

I would imagine it's pretty terrifying for young girls to learn their vaginas are going to bleed for a week every month for the next 30-40 years, probably best not to scare them until 4th grade when it could be imminent. There is no reason to start before 4th grade, and the bill reinforces that sex ed won't be taught before 4th grade.

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I fervently dispute the information can be "trusted,"particularly from government education.

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I remember having sex ed in 4th grade. For girls, it's important to start then because periods are coming soon for some of them, and they need to know what to expect. I realize parents should teach this and not depend on the schools to do it, but this way ensures kids with bad/stupid parents still get this information and it can be trusted. If my wife weren't around to teach my daughters, I'd have a hard time teaching them without help from a woman.

I would imagine it's pretty terrifying for young girls to learn their vaginas are going to bleed for a week every month for the next 30-40 years, probably best not to scare them until 4th grade when it could be imminent. There is no reason to start before 4th grade, and the bill reinforces that sex ed won't be taught before 4th grade.

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I fervently dispute the information can be "trusted,"particularly from government education.

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Today, I would agree. 30 years ago, I feel it could be trusted.

But they are not able to share about their love for their partner to kindergartners- how will school go on now……..

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There is literally no other reason not to support this bill aside from your desire to groom children.

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The people who are against this bill are a very minor but vocal minority. Basically mouth breathers on Twitter.

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It's Twitter, everyone on there is a mouth breather. Granted some more than others, but those are usually the politicians being thirsty for likes.

There are biological reasons that girls 4th grade and older need to understand what is going on with their bodies.

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There are biological reasons that girls 4th grade and older need to understand what is going on with their bodies.

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From their parents, not the government

torrid said:

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There are biological reasons that girls 4th grade and older need to understand what is going on with their bodies.

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Their bodies yes, but not their teachers bodies and sexual proclivities

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torrid said:

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There are biological reasons that girls 4th grade and older need to understand what is going on with their bodies.

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From their parents, not the government

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I'm not going to get into details, but i have seen where parents failed to explain even the rudimentary basics of sexual education to their children.

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There are biological reasons that girls 4th grade and older need to understand what is going on with their bodies.

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From their parents, not the government

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I'm not going to get into details, but i have seen where parents failed to explain even the rudimentary basics of sexual education to their children.

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That doesn't mean the it's the governments job.

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There are biological reasons that girls 4th grade and older need to understand what is going on with their bodies.

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I'm not going to get into details, but i have seen where parents failed to explain even the rudimentary basics of sexual education to their children.

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Ok, and? How is it remotely appropriate for the government to explain those things to a child?

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There are biological reasons that girls 4th grade and older need to understand what is going on with their bodies.

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I'm not going to get into details, but i have seen where parents failed to explain even the rudimentary basics of sexual education to their children.

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Ok, and? How is it remotely appropriate for the government to explain those things to a child?

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Where else is a 4th/5th grade little girl supposed to get it if her parents are worthless?

I get you don't feel the government should have any duty/responsibility/obligation/dare I say zero ability to have that talk...but if she's not getting the education from home, where is she supposed to learn?

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I'd argue it should go through middle school or not be allowed in school at all. What makes 4th graders ready for this stuff?

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At the very youngest I would say let it start in 7th grade simply because kids are hitting puberty at such a young age now days. I remember I was in 8th grade when I had "the talk" with my parents, which is the best option, to let the parents deal with this stuff.

Kenneth_2003 said:

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Benny got the first talk in 4th.

They get a much more detailed on this month. It is 7th grade.

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Is 4th grade the first time they introduce the beginning of sex education?

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Benny got the first talk in 4th.

They get a much more detailed on this month. It is 7th grade.

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In Texas? We got put in a room and watched a video about our "changing bodies" in 5th grade. I remember none of it

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Is 4th grade the first time they introduce the beginning of sex education?

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Benny got the first talk in 4th.

They get a much more detailed on this month. It is 7th grade.

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In Texas? We got put in a room and watched a video about our "changing bodies" in 5th grade. I remember none of it

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Missouri.

His former Cub Scout/Webelos leader is his PE/Health teacher.

She sent the email out a couple of weeks ago explaining what will be discussed and how to opt out if desired. They will go to the library during the talks

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Is 4th grade the first time they introduce the beginning of sex education?

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Benny got the first talk in 4th.

They get a much more detailed on this month. It is 7th grade.

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In Texas? We got put in a room and watched a video about our "changing bodies" in 5th grade. I remember none of it

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Missouri.

His former Cub Scout/Webelos leader is his PE/Health teacher.

She sent the email out a couple of weeks ago explaining what will be discussed and how to opt out if desired. They will go to the library during the talks

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"Health teacher"...what is this foreign concept? Sounds like MO has some idea of what to teach kids about themselves (or at least better than what I got here).

I remember in 5th grade (almost positive on that) that there was one day when the girls were held back from recess that day for a "presentation"

The boys were all curious later but some other kid said they were talking about periods, having no sisters I had no idea what that meant and since my mom had to have an emergency hysterectomy after I was born (not sure why really) I hadn't seen feminine products around the house, I just knew they existed because of TV commercials.

Fast forward to the last semester of my HS senior year in 92 when I finally took the required Health class. We watched the Miracle of Life video. They talked about Ps and Vs and the sophomore next to me was giggling his butt off and all I was thinking was, "I ve already DONE all of this stuff"

How do you eat an elephant?

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I remember in 5th grade (almost positive on that) that there was one day when the girls were held back from recess that day for a "presentation"

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Exact same thing here

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There are biological reasons that girls 4th grade and older need to understand what is going on with their bodies.

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From their parents, not the government

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I'm not going to get into details, but i have seen where parents failed to explain even the rudimentary basics of sexual education to their children.

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That doesn't mean the it's the governments job.

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I have never understood this logic unless you are arguing that schooling children is not the government's job.

Is that your argument? That we should close public schools?

Schooling yes, but I may be conflating two issues and chose my words poorly on this point. Sex ed, sure teach it but notify the parents ahead of time with the teaching materials, but when it comes to talking to children about one's sexuality or that of the teacher, that is not the role of the government nor the teacher. As I said earlier in this thread when the poster said their are biological reasons that girls in 4th grade and older need to understand what is going on with their bodies:

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There are biological reasons that girls 4th grade and older need to understand what is going on with their bodies.

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From their parents, not the government

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I'm not going to get into details, but i have seen where parents failed to explain even the rudimentary basics of sexual education to their children.

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That doesn't mean the it's the governments job.

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I have never understood this logic unless you are arguing that schooling children is not the government's job.

Is that your argument? That we should close public schools?

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Now that you mention it...

And as to your other point about the role of government in schooling, the fed should have no say on a state's schooling and the U.S. Department of Education should be abolished. Only role the fed should play is providing funds to parents to allow for school choice

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Schooling yes, but I may be conflating two issues and chose my words poorly on this point. Sex ed, sure teach it but notify the parents ahead of time with the teaching materials, but when it comes to talking to children about one's sexuality or that of the teacher, that is not the role of the government nor the teacher. As I said earlier in this thread when the poster said their are biological reasons that girls in 4th grade and older need to understand what is going on with their bodies:

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OK. Fair enough. I read your early post as 'sex ed is not the governments job' and may have been combining your posts with another poster. I have always found the argument against sex ed in schools to be silly.

I more or less agree with you. A general accounting is really all that is needed in sex education. They can even teach the difference between hetero and homo for all I care. But personalizing it, as in discussing a student's specific sexual desires, is certainly over reach.

This is scary

🚨🚨🚨 This school is grooming MIDDLE SCHOOL STUDENTS on the internet, and we have videos of it.

Watch as a 7th grader discusses coming out in 5th grade with the help of her school guidance counselor.

Let's unpack what's going on in the most woke school district in America. 🧵 pic.twitter.com/L21yX7spnj

— Karlyn Borysenko, Tower Event Creator 🇺🇦 (@DrKarlynB) April 4, 2022