larry culpepper said:

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And you think the state should enforce YOUR version of morality. Laws sometimes reflect morality (like when an act infringes on another person's rights or hurts another person), but we dont legislate every moral issue, nor should we. Strip clubs, porn, cigarettes, cussing, being an a-hole to people, and living unhealthy lifestyles are legal.

No I'm not for the abolition of CPS. They serve a good purpose. I'm just saying hormonal treatments are not child abuse. Often these kids coming from loving families, and ripping them from these families and throwing them into a grossly underfunded and broken foster system is cruel, and evil.

I'm sorry you disagree with that.

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Who are you to judge what constitutes a good purpose? Many would say that family separation is far less severe than permanent sexual therapy. If you're going to be a relativist, we can take this to its logical conclusion.

This doesn't even take into account the fact that this is not merely a private matter. This issue spills into the public sphere routinely, as is evidenced by tons of recent events.

larry culpepper said:

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And you think the state should enforce YOUR version of morality. Laws sometimes reflect morality (like when an act infringes on another person's rights or hurts another person), but we dont legislate every moral issue, nor should we. Strip clubs, porn, cigarettes, cussing, being an a-hole to people, and living unhealthy lifestyles are legal.

No I'm not for the abolition of CPS. They serve a good purpose. I'm just saying hormonal treatments are not child abuse. Often these kids coming from loving families, and ripping them from these families and throwing them into a grossly underfunded and broken foster system is cruel, and evil.

I'm sorry you disagree with that.

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In a republic, the answer is simple: move to a state where they will let you transition your child. Activists for this sort of thing can't just live and let live, though, they always have to force everyone to observe their position.

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larry culpepper said:

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And you think the state should enforce YOUR version of morality. Laws sometimes reflect morality (like when an act infringes on another person's rights or hurts another person), but we dont legislate every moral issue, nor should we. Strip clubs, porn, cigarettes, cussing, being an a-hole to people, and living unhealthy lifestyles are legal.

No I'm not for the abolition of CPS. They serve a good purpose. I'm just saying hormonal treatments are not child abuse. Often these kids coming from loving families, and ripping them from these families and throwing them into a grossly underfunded and broken foster system is cruel, and evil.

I'm sorry you disagree with that.

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Who are you to judge what constitutes a good purpose? Many would say that family separation is far less severe than permanent sexual therapy. If you're going to be a relativist, we can take this to its logical conclusion.

This doesn't even take into account the fact that this is not merely a private matter. This issue spills into the public sphere routinely, as is evidenced by tons of recent events.

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The medical community has made the judgement that the practice of hormonal treatments is beneficial to the patient. That opinion is the one that matters here for medical decisions. They are the experts. They perform the studies. They evaluate the effectiveness and overall risk. I don't give a damn about the opinions of some bible thumpers trying to impose their world view on everyone.

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Kvetch said:

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larry culpepper said:

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And you think the state should enforce YOUR version of morality. Laws sometimes reflect morality (like when an act infringes on another person's rights or hurts another person), but we dont legislate every moral issue, nor should we. Strip clubs, porn, cigarettes, cussing, being an a-hole to people, and living unhealthy lifestyles are legal.

No I'm not for the abolition of CPS. They serve a good purpose. I'm just saying hormonal treatments are not child abuse. Often these kids coming from loving families, and ripping them from these families and throwing them into a grossly underfunded and broken foster system is cruel, and evil.

I'm sorry you disagree with that.

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Who are you to judge what constitutes a good purpose? Many would say that family separation is far less severe than permanent sexual therapy. If you're going to be a relativist, we can take this to its logical conclusion.

This doesn't even take into account the fact that this is not merely a private matter. This issue spills into the public sphere routinely, as is evidenced by tons of recent events.

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The medical community has made the judgement that the practice of hormonal treatments is beneficial to the patient. That opinion is the one that matters here for medical decisions. They are the experts. They perform the studies. They evaluate the effectiveness and overall risk. I don't give a damn about the opinions of some bible thumpers trying to impose their world view on everyone.

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If you don't think minors should be transitioned, you're a bible thumper?

WHOOP!'91 said:

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Bubblez said:

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Kvetch said:

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larry culpepper said:

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And you think the state should enforce YOUR version of morality. Laws sometimes reflect morality (like when an act infringes on another person's rights or hurts another person), but we dont legislate every moral issue, nor should we. Strip clubs, porn, cigarettes, cussing, being an a-hole to people, and living unhealthy lifestyles are legal.

No I'm not for the abolition of CPS. They serve a good purpose. I'm just saying hormonal treatments are not child abuse. Often these kids coming from loving families, and ripping them from these families and throwing them into a grossly underfunded and broken foster system is cruel, and evil.

I'm sorry you disagree with that.

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Who are you to judge what constitutes a good purpose? Many would say that family separation is far less severe than permanent sexual therapy. If you're going to be a relativist, we can take this to its logical conclusion.

This doesn't even take into account the fact that this is not merely a private matter. This issue spills into the public sphere routinely, as is evidenced by tons of recent events.

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The medical community has made the judgement that the practice of hormonal treatments is beneficial to the patient. That opinion is the one that matters here for medical decisions. They are the experts. They perform the studies. They evaluate the effectiveness and overall risk. I don't give a damn about the opinions of some bible thumpers trying to impose their world view on everyone.

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If you don't think minors should be transitioned, you're a bible thumper?

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Its certainly not exclusive to them, but the Venn Diagram of those two sets does have quite a bit of overlap.

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larry culpepper said:

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And you think the state should enforce YOUR version of morality. Laws sometimes reflect morality (like when an act infringes on another person's rights or hurts another person), but we dont legislate every moral issue, nor should we. Strip clubs, porn, cigarettes, cussing, being an a-hole to people, and living unhealthy lifestyles are legal.

No I'm not for the abolition of CPS. They serve a good purpose. I'm just saying hormonal treatments are not child abuse. Often these kids coming from loving families, and ripping them from these families and throwing them into a grossly underfunded and broken foster system is cruel, and evil.

I'm sorry you disagree with that.

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In a republic, the answer is simple: move to a state where they will let you transition your child.

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Oh, so the right approach is "if you dont like it here you can just giiiiit out"

oh sure since moving is so easy and cheap and all. let's just pack up and leave the only ever state we've lived in and move somewhere just because some religious conservatives get their feefees hurt by my child's existence.

But on a serious note, some of them DO move. They are sick of the cruel people who run our state harassing them and working so hard to hurt them. I don't blame these families one bit. But they don't owe that to you, to Abbott, or to anyone to leave.

I, and these families, plan to stay in Texas and vote these awful leaders out of office.

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Activists for this sort of thing can't just live and let live, though, they always have to force everyone to observe their position.

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Um, No. Hell no. They are just living their lives. It's Abbott and Paxton who are trying to enforce THEIR view on these families. These families just want to be left alone.

You telling these families what they should do because it's what you believe is no different from me telling you that you can't eat that pizza because I'm on a diet. Mind your own damn business and leave us the **** alone.

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WHOOP!'91 said:

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larry culpepper said:

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And you think the state should enforce YOUR version of morality. Laws sometimes reflect morality (like when an act infringes on another person's rights or hurts another person), but we dont legislate every moral issue, nor should we. Strip clubs, porn, cigarettes, cussing, being an a-hole to people, and living unhealthy lifestyles are legal.

No I'm not for the abolition of CPS. They serve a good purpose. I'm just saying hormonal treatments are not child abuse. Often these kids coming from loving families, and ripping them from these families and throwing them into a grossly underfunded and broken foster system is cruel, and evil.

I'm sorry you disagree with that.

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In a republic, the answer is simple: move to a state where they will let you transition your child.

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Oh, so the right approach is "if you dont like it here you can just giiiiit out"

oh sure since moving is so easy and cheap and all. let's just pack up and leave the only ever state we've lived in and move somewhere just because some religious conservatives get their feefees hurt by my child's existence.

But on a serious note, some of them DO move. They are sick of the cruel people who run our state harassing them and working so hard to hurt them. I don't blame these families one bit. But they don't owe that to you, to Abbott, or to anyone to leave.

I, and these families, plan to stay in Texas and vote these awful leaders out of office.

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Activists for this sort of thing can't just live and let live, though, they always have to force everyone to observe their position.

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Um, No. Hell no. They are just living their lives. It's Abbott and Paxton who are trying to enforce THEIR view on these families. These families just want to be left alone.

You telling these families what they should do because it's what you believe is no different from me telling you that you can't eat that pizza because I'm on a diet. Mind your own damn business and leave us the **** alone.

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The people of the State of Texas will decide how we want to handle this and other issues. You getting emotional over it doesn't change that. If you transition your child, I hope it doesn't have long-term effects, and I hope they don't resent you for it later.

That is all.

WHOOP!'91 said:

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larry culpepper said:

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WHOOP!'91 said:

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larry culpepper said:

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And you think the state should enforce YOUR version of morality. Laws sometimes reflect morality (like when an act infringes on another person's rights or hurts another person), but we dont legislate every moral issue, nor should we. Strip clubs, porn, cigarettes, cussing, being an a-hole to people, and living unhealthy lifestyles are legal.

No I'm not for the abolition of CPS. They serve a good purpose. I'm just saying hormonal treatments are not child abuse. Often these kids coming from loving families, and ripping them from these families and throwing them into a grossly underfunded and broken foster system is cruel, and evil.

I'm sorry you disagree with that.

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In a republic, the answer is simple: move to a state where they will let you transition your child.

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Oh, so the right approach is "if you dont like it here you can just giiiiit out"

oh sure since moving is so easy and cheap and all. let's just pack up and leave the only ever state we've lived in and move somewhere just because some religious conservatives get their feefees hurt by my child's existence.

But on a serious note, some of them DO move. They are sick of the cruel people who run our state harassing them and working so hard to hurt them. I don't blame these families one bit. But they don't owe that to you, to Abbott, or to anyone to leave.

I, and these families, plan to stay in Texas and vote these awful leaders out of office.

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Activists for this sort of thing can't just live and let live, though, they always have to force everyone to observe their position.

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Um, No. Hell no. They are just living their lives. It's Abbott and Paxton who are trying to enforce THEIR view on these families. These families just want to be left alone.

You telling these families what they should do because it's what you believe is no different from me telling you that you can't eat that pizza because I'm on a diet. Mind your own damn business and leave us the **** alone.

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The people of the State of Texas will decide how we want to handle this and other issues. You getting emotional over it doesn't change that. If you transition your child, I hope it doesn't have long-term effects, and I hope they don't resent you for it later.

That is all.

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Exactly. This notion that self-governance on the local level somehow violates the idea of "small government" is ridiculous.

WHOOP!'91 said:

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larry culpepper said:

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WHOOP!'91 said:

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larry culpepper said:

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And you think the state should enforce YOUR version of morality. Laws sometimes reflect morality (like when an act infringes on another person's rights or hurts another person), but we dont legislate every moral issue, nor should we. Strip clubs, porn, cigarettes, cussing, being an a-hole to people, and living unhealthy lifestyles are legal.

No I'm not for the abolition of CPS. They serve a good purpose. I'm just saying hormonal treatments are not child abuse. Often these kids coming from loving families, and ripping them from these families and throwing them into a grossly underfunded and broken foster system is cruel, and evil.

I'm sorry you disagree with that.

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In a republic, the answer is simple: move to a state where they will let you transition your child.

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Oh, so the right approach is "if you dont like it here you can just giiiiit out"

oh sure since moving is so easy and cheap and all. let's just pack up and leave the only ever state we've lived in and move somewhere just because some religious conservatives get their feefees hurt by my child's existence.

But on a serious note, some of them DO move. They are sick of the cruel people who run our state harassing them and working so hard to hurt them. I don't blame these families one bit. But they don't owe that to you, to Abbott, or to anyone to leave.

I, and these families, plan to stay in Texas and vote these awful leaders out of office.

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Activists for this sort of thing can't just live and let live, though, they always have to force everyone to observe their position.

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Um, No. Hell no. They are just living their lives. It's Abbott and Paxton who are trying to enforce THEIR view on these families. These families just want to be left alone.

You telling these families what they should do because it's what you believe is no different from me telling you that you can't eat that pizza because I'm on a diet. Mind your own damn business and leave us the **** alone.

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The people of the State of Texas will decide how we want to handle this and other issues. You getting emotional over it doesn't change that. If you transition your child, I hope it doesn't have long-term effects, and I hope they don't resent you for it later.

That is all.

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The people? Abbott couldn't get this **** passed in a GOP legislature and so now he's out there trying to play strict father on all these families.

And right back atcha on the "emotional" accusation. I'm just saying these families should be left alone. You think kids should be ripped from loving homes because their choice to transition hurts your feefees.

Pretty much all socially conservative positions are based on their emotions, so I'm not going to put up with your attempt at projection.

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And right back atcha on the "emotional" accusation. I'm just saying these families should be left alone. You think kids should be ripped from loving homes because their choice to transition hurts your feefees.

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Nope. I also don't think kids should be coerced or allowed to change their genitalia at such a young and impressionable age.

Your repeated use of "feefees" is totally winning this argument by the way.

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Pretty much all socially conservative positions are based on their emotions, so I'm not going to put up with your attempt at projection.

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Good grief. This guy calling others emotional in a thread where he's championing sex changes for minors while using terms like "feefees" lol. Yes...the liberals are clearly the party of logic, science and reason. What color is the sky in your world?

First, I did not call Christians/conservatives evil. I do think Abbott and Paxton are cruel bullies.

Second, I don't believe someone who wants to take kids away from their families on this basis has any good intentions in their heart. Quite the opposite, actually. They don't like the transgender movement and want to enforce that belief in the harshest way.

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First, I did not call Christians/conservatives evil. I do think Abbott and Paxton are cruel bullies.

Second, I don't believe someone who wants to take kids away from their families on this basis has any good intentions in their heart. Quite the opposite, actually. They don't like the transgender movement and want to enforce that belief in the harshest way.

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I have seen CPS take kids away from their families due to Munchausen syndrome by proxy and for good reason. This is no different. Parents encouraging their kids to take hormones and "transition" so they can get points with their sick liberal friends on instagram and twitter.

What's happening to these kids is a horrendous crime against humanity - and criminals should not be "just left alone" when hurting others.

Don't want to go to jail? Then don't mutilate children's bodies (via knife or hormone therapy or anything else).

If at 18 they decide for themselves to mutilate their body and pretend to be something else, there isn't as much that can be done to stop it - they're old enough to choose at that point. And as adults they will live with the tragic outcomes of their own decisions.

larry culpepper said:

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WHOOP!'91 said:

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larry culpepper said:

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WHOOP!'91 said:

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larry culpepper said:

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And you think the state should enforce YOUR version of morality. Laws sometimes reflect morality (like when an act infringes on another person's rights or hurts another person), but we dont legislate every moral issue, nor should we. Strip clubs, porn, cigarettes, cussing, being an a-hole to people, and living unhealthy lifestyles are legal.

No I'm not for the abolition of CPS. They serve a good purpose. I'm just saying hormonal treatments are not child abuse. Often these kids coming from loving families, and ripping them from these families and throwing them into a grossly underfunded and broken foster system is cruel, and evil.

I'm sorry you disagree with that.

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In a republic, the answer is simple: move to a state where they will let you transition your child.

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Oh, so the right approach is "if you dont like it here you can just giiiiit out"

oh sure since moving is so easy and cheap and all. let's just pack up and leave the only ever state we've lived in and move somewhere just because some religious conservatives get their feefees hurt by my child's existence.

But on a serious note, some of them DO move. They are sick of the cruel people who run our state harassing them and working so hard to hurt them. I don't blame these families one bit. But they don't owe that to you, to Abbott, or to anyone to leave.

I, and these families, plan to stay in Texas and vote these awful leaders out of office.

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Activists for this sort of thing can't just live and let live, though, they always have to force everyone to observe their position.

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Um, No. Hell no. They are just living their lives. It's Abbott and Paxton who are trying to enforce THEIR view on these families. These families just want to be left alone.

You telling these families what they should do because it's what you believe is no different from me telling you that you can't eat that pizza because I'm on a diet. Mind your own damn business and leave us the **** alone.

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The people of the State of Texas will decide how we want to handle this and other issues. You getting emotional over it doesn't change that. If you transition your child, I hope it doesn't have long-term effects, and I hope they don't resent you for it later.

That is all.

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The people? Abbott couldn't get this **** passed in a GOP legislature and so now he's out there trying to play strict father on all these families.

And right back atcha on the "emotional" accusation. I'm just saying these families should be left alone. You think kids should be ripped from loving homes because their choice to transition hurts your feefees.

Pretty much all socially conservative positions are based on their emotions, so I'm not going to put up with your attempt at projection.

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Stupid s*** like this is why nobody takes you seriously. Your idiot liberal party has all but abandoned actual science, and you try to say conservatives are projecting? It's hilarious. How many genders are there, smart guy?

I'm not the emotional one here, bud. I'm also not bothered by your continued use of "feefees" although I think it makes you look dumb and was trying to give you a heads up. I just don't follow your logic in thinking it's ok to coerce or allow children to start physically altering themselves. If someone wants to cut off a limb do you tell them to go ahead? If someone is anorexic do you tell them "throw up fatty"? You keep responding that they're "just" giving them puberty blockers as if it's no big deal but get incredibly bent out of shape at the mention of genitalia. So what's the end game? You also keep painting conservatives with the broadest, most biased brush imaginable in order to give yourself the moral high ground in your mind. Tons of conservatives are for legalizing marijuana (not sure why you brought that up in this thread) and supported gay marriage (although even you can surely see how those with the slippery slope argument might have a point now). It's fascinating to watch.

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I'm not the emotional one here, bud. I'm also not bothered by your continued use of "feefees" although I think it makes you look dumb and was trying to give you a heads up. I just don't follow your logic in thinking it's ok to coerce or allow children to start physically altering themselves. If someone wants to cut off a limb do you tell them to go ahead? If someone is anorexic do you tell them "throw up fatty"? You keep responding that they're "just" giving them puberty blockers as if it's no big deal but get incredibly bent out of shape at the mention of genitalia. So what's the end game? You also keep painting conservatives with the broadest, most biased brush imaginable in order to give yourself the moral high ground in your mind. Tons of conservatives are for legalizing marijuana (not sure why you brought that up in this thread) and supported gay marriage (although even you can surely see how those with the slippery slope argument might have a point now). It's fascinating to watch.

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I get annoyed at you and others saying "genital mutilation" because those are strong, incendiary words. Like they are getting punished in some Islamic extremist country.

I brought up MJ and gay marriage because the logic is all pretty much the same. The argument against it is "you cant do it because I dont approve of it."

I'm going to continue going back to the central point. I know most of you dont approve of hormonal therapies for trans minors. That's not the issue. The issue is whether that is child abuse and grounds for removal from the home.

I also should say I dont agree with being on one extreme or the other. I dont think any young children should even be entertaining trans treatments. I understand people who have objections to puberty blockers. I'm simply saying Abbott's order goes way too far.

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I get annoyed at you and others saying "genital mutilation" because those are strong, incendiary words. Like they are getting punished in some Islamic extremist country.

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So what's the next step after puberty blockers? Sorry you don't like the term. What would you rather call removing someone's genitals? What watered-down term would sit right with you?

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I brought up MJ and gay marriage because the logic is all pretty much the same. The argument against it is "you cant do it because I dont approve of it."

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Not wanting to see children permanently harmed or altered when they're too young to make a decision like that is a far cry from just "you can't do it because I don't approve of it".

I would be curious to know how many children, once reaching age of consent, have decided to go ahead and complete the full transition, not because that is what they really wanted to do, but because the hormone therapy/puberty blockers have transformed their body to the point that they find themselves in a gender no-mans-land (pun intended) that would never allow them to fully return to their original gender.

I envision a 20 year old former male who now has such effeminate qualities that they would never fully develop as a male.

I envision a 20 year old former female who now has facial hair and chest hair, and such testosterone in their system that they would never develop to a normal woman.

I can easily both of these scenarios continuing to full transition because they feel they have no other choice but to complete the process.

The whole concept being debated here is the high probability that decisions made during childhood and adolescence are irreversible and can create further issues unforeseen at the time of "treatment". THE RISK OF IRREVERSIBLE HARM TO THE CHILD IS HIGH! The process begun in childhood becomes self fulfilling - which may be the point.

Larry and Bubblez, your emotional and visceral responses to Abbott's order because of your political leanings seem to reinforce the need for the severity (in your view) of the remedies laid out in the order.

1st you have to think chemical sterilization of boys is a good idea, then you can advocate for this chemical castration. Serious problem when this level of dumb ass has been reached.

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I would be curious to know how many children, once reaching age of consent, have decided to go ahead and complete the full transition, not because that is what they really wanted to do, but because the hormone therapy/puberty blockers have transformed their body to the point that they find themselves in a gender no-mans-land (pun intended) that would never allow them to fully return to their original gender.

I envision a 20 year old former male who now has such effeminate qualities that they would never fully develop as a male.

I envision a 20 year old former female who now has facial hair and chest hair, and such testosterone in their system that they would never develop to a normal woman.

I can easily both of these scenarios continuing to full transition because they feel they have no other choice but to complete the process.

The whole concept being debated here is the high probability that decisions made during childhood and adolescence are irreversible and can create further issues unforeseen at the time of "treatment". THE RISK OF IRREVERSIBLE HARM TO THE CHILD IS HIGH! The process begun in childhood becomes self fulfilling - which may be the point.

Larry and Bubblez, your emotional and visceral responses to Abbott's order because of your political leanings seem to reinforce the need for the severity (in your view) of the remedies laid out in the order.

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They don't want to acknowledge that the historical rate of desistance for gender dysphoria is recorded as high as 95%. Instead, they cite irrelevant statistics about marginal improvements in "mental health" (not a very objective standard) to avoid the glaring moral issue at hand. There is not a single other mental disorder that uses affirmation as an acceptable medical intervention.

They sit here and site political entities and junk science to further their political and emotional agendas. Until they can put forth an actual moral argument, they're just promulgators of the evil practices of John Money.

What they're defending is depraved and evil on every level.

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I'm just saying these families should be left alone. You think kids should be ripped from loving homes because their choice to transition hurts your feefees.

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This is where your argument falls. It isn't THEIR choice, it's the choice of their screwed up parents. Society has not only the right, but the duty to protect children from insane actions like this.

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I trust the American Academy of Pediatrics on these issues much more than Greg Abbott or Ken Paxton to have an opinion on what is proper medical care.

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I trust the Bible more than both.

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as is your right.

but you do not have the right to enforce your belief on others.

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Libs do it all the time. you're just trying to use conservatives values against them. wont work anymore. Small government doesn't mean anarchy. The government does not bear the sword in vain, and has God given authority to dispense justice.

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I'm just saying these families should be left alone. You think kids should be ripped from loving homes because their choice to transition hurts your feefees.

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This is where your argument falls. It isn't THEIR choice, it's the choice of their screwed up parents. Society has not only the right, but the duty to protect children from insane actions like this.

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well, that and the fact that the human brain is not fully developed until about 25 years of age.

"dysphoria" is an emotional state characterized by anxiety, depression, or unease. It applies to many mental issues other than gender but the treatment in most other instances don't go as far as the physiological changes of hormone therapy.

There are still questions around what impact these therapies have on bone growth and growth in general, so even if you stop short of physical mutilation, it is not proven science these treatments won't cause harm. What could possibly go wrong with a child being subjected to this type of treatment during crucial development years?

....and have we not learned anything over the last 2 years? There are a large number of doctors who are (1) political and (2) allow science to be corrupted by bias.

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WHOOP!'91 said:

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larry culpepper said:

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And you think the state should enforce YOUR version of morality. Laws sometimes reflect morality (like when an act infringes on another person's rights or hurts another person), but we dont legislate every moral issue, nor should we. Strip clubs, porn, cigarettes, cussing, being an a-hole to people, and living unhealthy lifestyles are legal.

No I'm not for the abolition of CPS. They serve a good purpose. I'm just saying hormonal treatments are not child abuse. Often these kids coming from loving families, and ripping them from these families and throwing them into a grossly underfunded and broken foster system is cruel, and evil.

I'm sorry you disagree with that.

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In a republic, the answer is simple: move to a state where they will let you transition your child.

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Oh, so the right approach is "if you dont like it here you can just giiiiit out"

oh sure since moving is so easy and cheap and all. let's just pack up and leave the only ever state we've lived in and move somewhere just because some religious conservatives get their feefees hurt by my child's existence.

But on a serious note, some of them DO move. They are sick of the cruel people who run our state harassing them and working so hard to hurt them. I don't blame these families one bit. But they don't owe that to you, to Abbott, or to anyone to leave.

I, and these families, plan to stay in Texas and vote these awful leaders out of office.

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Activists for this sort of thing can't just live and let live, though, they always have to force everyone to observe their position.

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Um, No. Hell no. They are just living their lives. It's Abbott and Paxton who are trying to enforce THEIR view on these families. These families just want to be left alone.

You telling these families what they should do because it's what you believe is no different from me telling you that you can't eat that pizza because I'm on a diet. Mind your own damn business and leave us the **** alone.

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The people of the State of Texas will decide how we want to handle this and other issues. You getting emotional over it doesn't change that. If you transition your child, I hope it doesn't have long-term effects, and I hope they don't resent you for it later.

That is all.

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The people? Abbott couldn't get this **** passed in a GOP legislature and so now he's out there trying to play strict father on all these families.

And right back atcha on the "emotional" accusation. I'm just saying these families should be left alone. You think kids should be ripped from loving homes because their choice to transition hurts your feefees.

Pretty much all socially conservative positions are based on their emotions, so I'm not going to put up with your attempt at projection.

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That sounds exactly like something a degenerate would say.

Right and wrong are actual things. Truth is not subjective.