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Crowd (n)
1) a large number of persons gathered closely together
2) any large number of persons

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And who is in it?

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any large number of persons

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African or European?

How do you know so much about swallows?

Username sounds like the Italian translation

Sometimes I like to read the last post or two in a thread and try to guess how it got to this point.

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They are not traditional hair styles associated with that race.

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Didn't realize you were an expert on cultural hairstyles, my apologies.
Here are a list of examples included in the bill's text.

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(4) For example, routinely, people of African descent are deprived of educational and employment opportunities because they are adorned with natural or protective hairstyles in which hair is tightly coiled or tightly curled, or worn in locs, cornrows, twists, braids, Bantu knots, or Afros.

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Are you arguing that racism is genetic and blacks are a monolith and not individuals? I'm convinced you are. That itself is racist.

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What are you going on about?

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Now it's cultural, not racial. Move those goalposts.

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They are not traditional hair styles associated with that race.

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Didn't realize you were an expert on cultural racial hairstyles, my apologies.
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(4) For example, routinely, people of African descent are deprived of educational and employment opportunities because they are adorned with natural or protective hairstyles in which hair is tightly coiled or tightly curled, or worn in locs, cornrows, twists, braids, Bantu knots, or Afros.

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Are you arguing that racism is genetic and blacks are a monolith and not individuals? I'm convinced you are. That itself is racist.

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What are you going on about?

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Fixed it for you, my bad.

Can we start banning Karen haircuts instead?

I don't doubt that there are anecdotal incidents of this, especially going back into the we 20th century.

What I struggle with is the idea it is still a widespread documented problem today with all the employment protection and regulations that exist and the broad change in social attitudes. I have a hard time seeing that outside of a few isolated incidents, that it remains a serious widespread issue, but if there is statistical data collected on it that presents an ongoing problem, that would be interesting to see.

I'm not saying there is not potentially a problem. I am saying I am surprised today there still is a problem of significant magnitude that laws are necessary.

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https://www.king5.com/article/news/nation-world/house-passes-crown-act/507-a1652236-c226-429b-8bb5-fc6c86c5c4cb

The House of Representatives approved new legislation on Friday that would ban discrimination based on hair texture and style. It now heads to the Senate floor for consideration.

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Is this really an issue? Where are people doing this?

Definitely Not A Cop said:

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Can we start banning Karen haircuts instead?

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Sounds like a great idea for the party of limited government.

Sarcastic meter broken?

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Sarcastic meter broken?

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Hardly sarcasm, seems no issue is out of bounds if party deems it a problem.

You don't think the comment about Karen's haircut was sarcastic?

And do you say the same about Dems?

I hire a lot of people. If I interview someone I don't want to hire, for literally any reason, it doesn't take a genius to not hire them and avoid saying anything stupid like "I didn't like their hairstyle"

You simply say something positive about the person you do want to hire, or a vague statement like "this other candidate was the best fit"

Similar goes for firing someone.

In the end, this bill will not help any person get or keep a job they otherwise wouldn't have. Compete waste of time.

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You don't think the comment about Karen's haircut was sarcastic?

And do you say the same about Dems?

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I know the comment was sarcasm.

But it will give them a reason to sue and make your life miserable. They can always find a lawyer to take a case no matter how stupid.

It's also how idiots that were for private business rights during covid now are against them. I guess covid is now over.

I insist my employees present a conservative, semi-professional appearance. No jeans, no visible tattoos. It extends multiple piercings and hairstyles. All predicated on my personal standards. That will not change because of some stupid new law.

I got a buddy who has the same requirement but extends it to weight too. Luckily he is in a conservative state.

He is ok with tattoos since they are now such a part of this world.

Dems love to pass civil rights laws for problems that don't really exist. Joe is set to sign an anti-lynching bill for a crime with a single documented occurrence in my lifetime (James Byrd 1998) and Obama already signed a Hates Crime Law to address that specific crime.

Lynchings are/were horrible crimes that should be prosecuted to the full extent of existing murder laws. Passing a new hate crime bill every time we have a new dem president is unnecessary at best and cynical pandering for votes at worst.

When will get a law banning discrimination for saggy pants? Based on the same "logic", that also appears to be ancestral for a particular race.

So now that visual appearance is protected, next will come olfactory protection. You have the right to wear poopy pants and smell like feces and sweat if you can proclaim that is part of your culture. Where does it end?

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Keep in mind I am very much pro-personal body integrity and do believe that with safety or functional necessity exceptions, people should have the right to wear their natural hair at work as they need or prefer.

In military service, there should be some acceptable low maintenance ethnic hairstyles that don't affect appearance and uniformity needlessly, but pretty much everyone is required to keep short neat hard rules as a pragmatic hygiene matter and for a display of uniformity for discipline.

In other employment environments, I have no problem. With people picking their own hairstyles. I don't see much of this discrimination based on hair occurring in my observation, however, so I do wonder what is the widespread problem this bill is addressing?

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it is not a widespread problem.

does it happen? most definitely.

and you usually hear about it more from food service jobs vs corporate jobs. but it happens in corporate jobs as well.

but we already have discrimination laws on the books in every state and at the federal level that adequately cover this issue. we do not need one specific about hair.


this is strictly about pandering, looking like they (Dems) are doing something, and allowing ANOTHER unnecessary avenue for disgruntled people to cry "muh racism".

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There is no specific law that covers natural hair protection in the workplace for blacks. In fact the discrimination of blacks and natural hair is largely in response to laws passed against discrimination of skin color. There needs to be legislation because it's just a back door on discriminating against skin color. The discrimination against natural hair for blacks is appalling racist as that's the way humans are born. No matter how many laws are passed the side of power will just pivot to get what they've originally wanted.

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It's ridiculous victim class legislation and a mostly a made up issue. I have a very close friend that is black and she actually talked to me about this a couple of years ago at work. She reported to me.

She was asking me about coming to work with her "vacation hair". When she goes on vacation she gets corn rows done. I had never even heard about this supposedly form of racism. She was wanting to make a statement when she came back to work about wearing cornrows and it was some kind of protest for her against the white man.

Ok. I told her fine. No one gives a **** about your hair so if you want to come back with corn rows then more power to you. Just don't be disappointed when no one cares what your hair looks like aside from other girls cooing over it.

And that's exactly what happened.

Irrespective of skin color, , such a law is ridiculous on it's face. A "hair discrimation" law would be a can of worms. Example: An employee is "let go" for unsat performance. If the employee has a certain hair style, what's to stop the employee from suing alleging hair-descrimination? What might a jury award?And likely there would be many out of court settlements just to "make it go away." Unintended or intended consequences? It's nuts! Congress needs a good housecleaning.

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Irrespective of skin color, , such a law is ridiculous on it's face. A "hair discrimation" law would be a can of worms. Example: An employee is "let go" for unsat performance. If the employee has a certain hair style, what's to stop the employee from suing alleging hair-descrimination? What might a jury award?And likely there would be many out of court settlements just to "make it go away." Unintended or intended consequences? It's nuts! Congress needs a good housecleaning.

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Simply suing does not guarantee you award. Like other forms of discrimination you need to be able to prove it in a civil court. Not any more likely than the forms of discrimination that can be taken to court now, unless you have data or studies stating otherwise.

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Irrespective of skin color, , such a law is ridiculous on it's face. A "hair discrimation" law would be a can of worms. Example: An employee is "let go" for unsat performance. If the employee has a certain hair style, what's to stop the employee from suing alleging hair-descrimination? What might a jury award?And likely there would be many out of court settlements just to "make it go away." Unintended or intended consequences? It's nuts! Congress needs a good housecleaning.

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Simply suing does not guarantee you award. Like other forms of discrimination you need to be able to prove it in a civil court. Not any more likely than the forms of discrimination that can be taken to court now, unless you have data or studies stating otherwise.

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No, but It guarantees that a company will have to spend a ton of money in litigation.

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Sarcastic meter broken?

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Hardly sarcasm, seems no issue is out of bounds if party deems it a problem.

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I'll help you out. It was definitely sarcasm.

[url=https://atlantablackstar.com/2022/03/21/whats-hair-got-to-do-with-it-florida-christian-school-banning-honors-student-from-walking-in-graduation-ceremony-responds-to-backlash-parent-files-petition/][/url]

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'What's Hair Got to do With It?': Florida Christian School Banning Honors Student from Walking In Graduation Ceremony Responds to Backlash; Parent Files Petition
After facing backlash for its policy that bans students with locs from walking across the stage during the once-in-a-lifetime graduation ceremony, a Florida-based school has switched gears, but the parent who fought against the rule said it still excludes her son and other Black students from participating in the tradition.

Latrenda Rush, who says she is a former public schoolteacher, was preparing for her son's graduation from Abeka Academy, a Christian school based in Pensacola, Florida.

She filled out the required documents and submitted them along with a photo of her son, Jacob Rush III, an honors student. She had been homeschooling Jacob, and he wanted to attend a school his senior year where he could have a traditional graduation ceremony. Rush was surprised when Jacob's petition to walk was rejected.

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Backlash or blacklash?

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So now that visual appearance is protected, next will come olfactory protection. You have the right to wear poopy pants and smell like feces and sweat if you can proclaim that is part of your culture. Where does it end?

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Don't think Biden will be applying for jobs anymore.