Jock 07 said:

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eric76 said:

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aTmAg said:

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eric76 said:

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aTmAg said:

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eric76 said:

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Marcus Brutus said:

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eric76 said:

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Marcus Brutus said:

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It's worth the risk to protect Ukraine, a country that 80% of Americans could not identify on an unmarked map.

"A third of Americans favor U.S. military action in Ukraine even if it risks a nuclear confrontation with Russia...."

https://www.newsweek.com/third-americans-risk-nuclear-war-russia-ukraine-poll-1688473?amp=1





I have nothing in common with these people. National divorce!

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So you preferred course of action is for us to grovel at Putin's feet?

Trump isn't President any more.

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False dichotomy. But yes, I am opposed to a war with Russia over Ukraine.

The new world order has done the job it looks like so that's not going to happen. Russia is about to default on its treasuries because it cant access its reserves. They are getting choked off economically and financially.



also this statement: Trump isn't President any more.

Is utter nonsense. Trump has been the toughest president on Russia since Reagan.

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What is important is that Trump is a Putin apologist not a Russian apologist. Trump admires rulers with total control over their countries -- something that he wanted here, but could not have. I doubt that Trump cares much about what happens to Russia, but it is clear that he is ready to kowtow to Putin.

For example, Russia was removed from the G-8 to make it the G-7 after their invasion of Crimea. Once Trump was President, he argued to restore the G-8. That wasn't done out of admiration or concern about Russia, but of Putin.

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You are making a fool of yourself on this point. The simple fact is that Putin invaded Crimea under Obama, did nothing under Trump, and is now invading the rest of Ukraine under Biden. He would have invaded during Trump if you were close to being right.

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So Putin knew that Trump was going to be elected two years later?

Does Putin have the ability to divine the future? How does that work?

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What in the world are you talking about?

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Ahh. You meant that he would have invaded the Ukraine under Trump. I interpreted your comment as saying he would have waited to invade Crimea. My bad onthat.

However, Putin had every reason to not invade the Ukraine under Trump. There was a very real chance that Trump would have withdrew the US out of NATO and thus killed NATO. Putin would have been bat**** crazy to throw away that chance.

John Bolton even said that Trump came awfully close to ending NATO in his first term and that he thinks he would have done it for sure in his second term. Yeah, if Trump was President, Putin would have had his greatest useful idiot in the White House and would not have needed to invade anything.

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Holy **** liberals have an uncanny penchant to live in an alt universe where reality is suspended. It's insane.

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You are right -- Trump does live in an alt universe where reality is suspended. It's insane that anyone thinks he's on the level.

yeah man, mark it zero. it's who he is. the evidence is there.

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-trump-property/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia/court-document-shows-manafort-wealth-ties-to-russian-oligarchs-idUSKBN1D14YH

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-collusion/mueller-finds-no-conspiracy-but-extensive-trump-russia-contacts-idUSKCN1RU2MA

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-senate/senate-committee-concludes-russia-used-manafort-wikileaks-to-boost-trump-in-2016-idUSKCN25E1US

https://www.reuters.com/technology/russian-accounts-still-active-pro-trump-sites-researchers-2021-06-07/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-qanon-russia/russian-backed-organizations-amplifying-qanon-conspiracy-theories-researchers-say-idUSKBN25K13T

Article from US Naval Institute on Putin's escalation doctrine.

https://t.co/UZxPGttzmP

— spook (@spook_info) March 18, 2022

https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2017/february/escalate-de-escalate

Seems like the right place for this. Quick watch and food for thought:

one MEEN Ag said:

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mickeyrig06sq3 said:

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TheEternalPessimist said:

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Newsflash:

Nukes will hit 1) Military Targets 2) Urban core population centers of finance.

New York with half of New York City population gone? Goes purple.
Pennsylvania with half of Philadelphia population gone? Goes solid Red.
Georgia with half of Atlanta gone? Returns to solid Red.
DC with half the population of Metro gone? Causes Virginia to go solid Red.
With the exception of Vermont, Massachusetts, California, and Hawaii..... this would be the result in state after state.

Liberals should rethink this one....... because it will be an overwhelming hit that disproportionately eliminates more of it's voters. In addition, while most population centers and major bases are destroyed and the losses unfathomable, the rebuild will lead to a decisively more Conservative population and a strengthened working middle class. Rebuilding after a nuclear war drives woke politics to a mere afterthought.

Lets get this straight though -- It is captain obvious that it is best for EVERYONE, the environment, and humanity around the world if we do NOT have nuclear war. Duh.

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If it ever comes to pass, there won't be Red vs Blue. There won't be elections. The USA would exist as a fairy tail passed down over the generations. On the plus side, no more 24/7 news cycle and social media.

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The government has been game planning for decades how to survive a nuclear attack. Huge bunkers with enough space to host all the people required for a representative democracy. Backup command centers. All the way down to which historical documents need to be preserved for a post apocalyptic people to rediscover America's past and make sure the future government is in its image. Its actually quiet concerning how much stuff we uncover now from the 50s, 60s and 70s that points to 'the government will survive, the average joe will not.'

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The government, yep. I have no doubts about that. What happens in an "only the strongest survive" world is another story. You can't just eliminate the conveniences and technology in the modern world and expect people to easily revert back to an agrarian pre-1900s society. We've lost the knowledge, hardiness, and infrastructure to exist like that. The areas surrounding those bunkers will probably be somewhat normal, but the rest of the country would be cut off. Assuming a "One Second After" style EMP in addition to the normal nuclear destruction, we've lost comms, the roads are blocked with cars as well as various bridges being destroyed. Disregarding the nuclear winter theory, we'd still have a ton of radiation in the air, ground, and water that the survivors would now have to deal with.

Yes. You once supported Trump.

Sure.

YouBet said:

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Yes. You once supported Trump.

Sure.

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A concerned moderate in the wild.

like clockwork.

no way you were ever one of us! rabble rabble rabble.

it wasnt his economy, just like it wasnt any other president's.. the fed had an historically low interest rate and bought mortgage backed securities to the point we are where we are now. an overheated economy.he was a beneficiary of riding that curve upwards.

he was a societal nightmare. his divisive approach drove an already growing wedge in our society.

his do less international policies empowered our enemies. he got played over and over again by being subject to flattery.

read the articles, watch the nuke video, and for gods sake get off your high horse.

I agree with you completely!

wtmartinaggie said:

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like clockwork.

no way you were ever one of us! rabble rabble rabble.

it wasnt his economy, just like it wasnt any other president's.. the fed had an historically low interest rate and bought mortgage backed securities to the point we are where we are now. an overheated economy.he was a beneficiary of riding that curve upwards.

he was a societal nightmare. his divisive approach drove an already growing wedge in our society.

his do less international policies empowered our enemies. he got played over and over again by being subject to flattery.

read the articles, watch the nuke video, and for gods sake get off your high horse.

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Dumbest post of the day

That wedge was already there and was being pursued aggressively by the left, who liked Trump until he ran against "their girl" and really hated him when he won.

"he got played over and over again by being subject to flattery."

Huh?

Seemed more like Trump was employing numerous negotiating tactics and kept us out of wars or got us out of them efficiently, and got us into some better trade terms and was able to generally maintain some global stability with a carrot and stick approach appropriate to the circumstances. He was unconventional and not always successful, but apparently stepped on lots of toes, upset sacred cows, and interfered with a lot of other peoples profitable under the table arrangements.

YouBet said:

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Yes. You once supported Trump.

Sure.

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He came over from Premium, so that means 99% chance he is a leftist.

wtmartinaggie said:

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like clockwork.

no way you were ever one of us! rabble rabble rabble.

it wasnt his economy, just like it wasnt any other president's.. the fed had an historically low interest rate and bought mortgage backed securities to the point we are where we are now. an overheated economy.he was a beneficiary of riding that curve upwards.

he was a societal nightmare. his divisive approach drove an already growing wedge in our society.

his do less international policies empowered our enemies. he got played over and over again by being subject to flattery.

read the articles, watch the nuke video, and for gods sake get off your high horse.

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• Destroyed ISIS who Obama got started
• 4 Middle East peace treaties
• Got NATO countries to meet and increase their commitments and dropped our spend share from 22% to 16%
• Started holding China accountable and began move of supply chain away from them
• Shut NK up for first time in years
• Got us largely energy independent from former adversaries

He did less!