I just watched is latest interview with Bill Maher. Supposed to be a conversation of how to disagree but Shapiro essentially concedes every one of them Mahers radical talking points. Maher gets in every left-wing talking point he can, make America great again was racist, Trump is trying to steal the next election, Trump is siding with Putin, Republicans are trying to suppress the vote, Republican voters are climate change deniers, etc.

Shapiro agrees with Mahers overall premise, and then tries to disagree with some of minute detail. It's infuriating to watch. Mauer makes every left-wing talking point but then comes out of the interview looking like he's the sensible one who's trying to unify the country.

As a bonus, Shapiro reads annoying commercials in the middle of the interview. It was laughable.

Shapiro has TDS. And like many on this board, he is full neocon when it comes to nation building, deposing any and all bad leaders around the globe and confronting Russia.

I listened to the interview as well. Shapiro pushes back but he doesn't try to roast him because that's not the point of the show. He has people on from the left and they have a genuine conversation. He also voted for Trump in 2020. Not everyone is Jessy Kelly nor do we need them to be.

If Ben Shapiro isn't smart enough, quick-witted enough in a discussion, or far enough right for you...perhaps the actual joke is somebody else.

The op gave a shaky, and suspect opinion.

Even leftist socks hate shapiro apparently.

This video is one of their earlier exchanges:


Another short video:

MavsAg said:

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I listened to the interview as well. Shapiro pushes back but he doesn't try to roast him because that's not the point of the show. He has people on from the left and they have a genuine conversation. He also voted for Trump in 2020. Not everyone is Jessy Kelly nor do we need them to be. I

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Yes the video is supposed to be about how to disagree civilly. But Shapiro doesn't disagree. And he definitely didn't "punch back".

Maher literally says that Republicans don't believe in democracy anymore. Shapiro's response was to denounce Trump and then talk about some obscured legislation for voting reform.

Maher said that Republicans are racist, want to end our democracy, and side with Russia. Shapiro literally says nothing in rebuttal. The least he could do was to mock Bill as an extremist, instead Mauer comes off as the centrist.

If you don't see what's wrong here then I don't know what to tell you.

So, Shapiro is a joke, because he didn't shut down everything the other guy said in an interview?

In case you haven't heard a Sunday Special before, Shapiro will often have on a non-conservative to discuss an area of common ground. In this case, it was Bill agreeing about COVID insanity, wokeism, free speech, personal responsibility, defund the police, communism, childhood trans movement, etc.

The format is not a Tucker Carlson monologue or 5min duel to see who can draw blood. It's not a long form debate (something which Ben frequently engages in). You sometimes hear opinions you won't agree with. That includes Ben endorsing the idea of AGW, which he continues to get wrong. On Trump, Ben doesn't buy that the election was stolen, which some people are still struggling with.

If you cannot take a civil exchange of ideas, some of which you may not agree with, then the Sunday Special is not for you. Overall, it's a great format and this episode was worth a listen.

This is a stupid take.

The "Sunday Conversation" isn't supposed to be a debate show. It's a different vibe.

Ben pushed back on pretty much everything, but not like he would in a more adversarial format.

p.s. Your handle is "Biden's leg hairs."

Bidens leg hairs said:

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MavsAg said:

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I listened to the interview as well. Shapiro pushes back but he doesn't try to roast him because that's not the point of the show. He has people on from the left and they have a genuine conversation. He also voted for Trump in 2020. Not everyone is Jessy Kelly nor do we need them to be. I

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Yes the video is supposed to be about how to disagree civilly. But Shapiro doesn't disagree. And he definitely didn't "punch back".

Maher literally says that Republicans don't believe in democracy anymore. Shapiro's response was to denounce Trump and then talk about some obscured legislation for voting reform.

Maher said that Republicans are racist, want to end our democracy, and side with Russia. Shapiro literally says nothing in rebuttal. The least he could do was to mock Bill as an extremist, instead Mauer comes off as the centrist.

If you don't see what's wrong here then I don't know what to tell you.

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Ben said that there is much more evidence of specific examples of voter fraud versus someone who is eligible and wanting to vote not being able to vote. He said that a larger problem is ballot harvesting in places like California.

He said Obama promised latitude with Russia in 2012 and then Russia took Crimea in 2014 and we gave them Syria shortly there after.

It is much easier to point at things with hard facts than to try and argue 2020 election issues that occurred under the cover of darkness that has gained zero legal traction. While I agree that 2020 was extremely suspect and voting laws were altered or flat out ignored to ensure a Trump defeat, why would you go into a debate with a well prepared Liberal with the intent of parroting Trump tweets?

Just point to the facts that are indisputable, don't try to nail jello to the wall and try to convince Bill Mahr that Trump is in fact not crazy.

Again, the whole point of the show was to to disagree civilly. That's what I expected to see but Shapiro didn't disagree.

There were a thousand ways he could have disagreed civilly but he didn't. You can't concede that your side is racist and doesn't believe in democracy and call it a conversation.. The least he could have done is mocked it in a respectful witty way.

Hell, I would have listed back all of Mahers accusations and then said how are we supposed to come together as a country when you think half the country is racist and doesn't believe in democracy?

I find it hard to get riled up over the opinions of talking heads. Seems there are more important things to get riled up over.

If that's what you got from that interview, you are overly sensitive and should stick to networks like Newsmax.

You all are missing the point. The only way to have a civil discussion with Democrats is concede all of their talking points?

That's not civil discourse. That's appeasement.

Shapiro will do whatever it takes to Make Israel Great Again at our expense.

Let me take a less controversial person in the eyes of many - let's say the interview with John MacArthur. The guest presented the full gospel during the show. Now, I assume Shapiro does not agree with that, however Shapiro didn't spend time arguing with him about his view. And why should he? Is that interesting as a viewer? I don't think so.

Stopped listening to him a while back.

This is another stupid take.

In that case, there's no consequence about what they believe. What's at stake here is the next election. You can't let someone say that Republican voters are racist and don't believe in democracy without challenging the overall assertion. You don't have to argue or debate but you can't let that go unchallenged.

He's an institutionalist. He believes too much in the system that has made him successful, so he is reluctant to deeply criticize most of the issues that the middle and lower class conservatives see/face every day.

I stopped listening to him during the pandemic. For me it was his very weak position on masks and mandates.

If you are not for protecting individual freedoms, like having the ability to decide what goes on your face to enter society, then you are not reasonable enough to listen to (much too weak/passive).

He is very smart though, and I do respect his principled approach to discussions. He just needs to realize this is not 2005 for Republicans and Conservatives.

Shapiro is merely borrowing Joe Rogan's show.

Smart people generally all have the exact same fatal flaw. When they are wrong, instead of admitting their failure, they work 10x harder to prove they were right. In this case Shapiro refuses to adopt the non-concession approach of Trump (or DeSantis). I'd expect because he first judged Trump as bad and ineffective. So now he is stuck arguing like it is 2000 instead of 2022.

Bidens leg hairs said:

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Again, the whole point of the show was to to disagree civilly. That's what I expected to see but Shapiro didn't disagree.

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Again, that's not the format of the show. The point is to demonstrate common ground, which it did. You are hung up on Ben not refuting points with which you disagree. Ben does that for a living, but not during his Sunday Specials.

Marcus Brutus said:

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Shapiro has TDS. And like many on this board, he is full neocon when it comes to nation building, deposing any and all bad leaders around the globe and confronting Russia.

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He has always been a "there's good Trump and bad Trump" guy. He has remained consistent. He voted for the guy, but I think most of us think Trump was pretty cringey at times....and not necessarily as solidly conservative as some of us would like on the issues. I don't have time to watch this clip iin the OP right now, but I would be shocked if Ben Shapiro just sat there and agreed with liberal talking points. It would be a first, at least as far as I have seen. The dude has been into the belly of the beast many times to preach conservatism in some of the most rabidly liberal environments you could imagine. I have never really seen him temper his message or "tone it down" even in those potentially violent and chaotic environments. The guy HATES the modern left.

NO TRUE SCOTSMAN

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OP obviously doesn't know the premise to Shapiro's Sunday Specials. The specific purpose for them is to allow people of various different points of view to explain their points (be interviewed by Shapiro) without being roasted. You should do a bit of research before jumping to conclusions, OP.

I think the OP is getting tripped up by the title of the episode "How to Disagree" and the format of the Sunday Special.

Bidens leg hairs said:

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You all are missing the point. The only way to have a civil discussion with Democrats is concede all of their talking points?

That's not civil discourse. That's appeasement.

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not sure if you read my entire post or not. Mahr said republicans want to limit voting rights, Shapiro gave clear facts about that not being true. Shapiro didn't take the bait to argue jan. 6, he discussed voting rights vs voting fraud.

"Ben Shapiro is a joke!", "Tucker a Putin fan boy!". All this hate for conservative voices. Lots of people letting the demorat machine get them all stirred up.

If I am a Demo strategist and I want to kill the Conservative movement this is how you do it. Find the idiots to run with the bait. Set back and laugh

Boo Weekley said:

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Marcus Brutus said:

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Shapiro has TDS. And like many on this board, he is full neocon when it comes to nation building, deposing any and all bad leaders around the globe and confronting Russia.

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He has always been a "there's good Trump and bad Trump" guy. He has remained consistent. He voted for the guy, but I think most of us think Trump was pretty cringey at times....and not necessarily as solidly conservative as some of us would like on the issues. I don't have time to watch this clip iin the OP right now, but I would be shocked if Ben Shapiro just sat there and agreed with liberal talking points. It would be a first, at least as far as I have seen. The dude has been into the belly of the beast many times to preach conservatism in some of the most rabidly liberal environments you could imagine. I have never really seen him temper his message or "tone it down" even in those potentially violent and chaotic environments. The guy HATES the modern left.

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Yep its all I need. And he is effective. But there are those that have the attitude lets find a "reason" and throw the impure under the buss while the rats run wild.

Brilliant.

AggieKeith15 said:

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He's an institutionalist. He believes too much in the system that has made him successful, so he is reluctant to deeply criticize most of the issues that the middle and lower class conservatives see/face every day.

I stopped listening to him during the pandemic. For me it was his very weak position on masks and mandates.

If you are not for protecting individual freedoms, like having the ability to decide what goes on your face to enter society, then you are not reasonable enough to listen to (much too weak/passive).

He is very smart though, and I do respect his principled approach to discussions. He just needs to realize this is not 2005 for Republicans and Conservatives.

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I've been disappointed in how quickly and completely he dismissed the possibility of election fraud in 2020. It came across as him being scared of cancel culture etc.

You mean the Ben Shapiro who speaks his mind on conservatism to the extent that he has to have armed guards but still goes to far left college campuses to speak on those occasions when they'll let him? He faces real physical danger to get the message out, he's not some whimpering goober who just wants to be in the club.

Shapiro is probably the commentator who combines the biggest voice with the most aggressive defense of conservatism, even if his version of conservatism is a little different from yours or mine.

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I stopped listening to him during the pandemic. For me it was his very weak position on masks and mandates.

If you are not for protecting individual freedoms, like having the ability to decide what goes on your face to enter society, then you are not reasonable enough to listen to (much too weak/passive).

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I'm confused by this. While he was vaccinated (so was I) and didn't wear masks when not necessary (neither did I) he was against mandates every single time I heard him talk about it.

I think the vaccine helped keep people out of the hospital last summer and masks were probably mildly helpful in a few circumstances. But I am full on against any sort of mandates for a vaccine with less than 18 months of research.

I mean, Daily Wire was literally one of the first litigants against the OSHA vaccine mandate.

I have a fair amount of criticisms about Shapiro, but Daily Wire's coverage on COVID ain't it.

c-jags said:

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AggieKeith15 said:

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I stopped listening to him during the pandemic. For me it was his very weak position on masks and mandates.

If you are not for protecting individual freedoms, like having the ability to decide what goes on your face to enter society, then you are not reasonable enough to listen to (much too weak/passive).

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I'm confused by this. While he was vaccinated (so was I) and didn't wear masks when not necessary (neither did I) he was against mandates every single time I heard him talk about it.

I think the vaccine helped keep people out of the hospital last summer and masks were probably mildly helpful in a few circumstances. But I am full on against any sort of mandates for a vaccine with less than 18 months of research.

I mean, Daily Wire was literally one of the first litigants against the OSHA vaccine mandate.

I have a fair amount of criticisms about Shapiro, but Daily Wire's coverage on COVID ain't it.

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Edit: Here's a link to his YT channel from about a year ago. Right off the bat he gives his position. This is where he loses me. He believes the government has a Constitutional right to enforce mask mandates. That's an insane position. He also supported them for servers at restaurants. Take a listen.




I'd have to do a lot of searching but he seemed to support the mask mandates originally. It's been 2 years, so I could be off on that.