BMX Bandit said:

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What is if Infiltrators came up illegal from Mexico. Cubans mostly. ?

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this has been happening for 50 years. I thought the thread was about foreign military invasion.

GT_Aggie2015 said:

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Not to derail but stole this from a buddy and it made me think…next time they wanna debate 2A show em this

This Ukrainian couple moved up their wedding to the day the Russian invasion started. On the second day, they armed themselves and started getting ready to defend their country.https://t.co/Q3M37ieRBM

— Ivana Kottasová (@IvanaKottasova) February 25, 2022

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For context, OP wants to vote for Beto, who wants to confiscate those types of mean weapons, because 'that would never happen here.'

Biden has a 4 or 5 decade run of being wrong/screwing things up, and more recently taking actions directly in line with the CCP wishes. He's not about to take advice from the sage wisdom offered here, or admit he has been wrong about absolutely everything he has said/done since being sworn in.

The real question should be; when will Democrats demand he be removed from office via either the 25th amendment or impeachment?

On 9/11/2001 my then 78 year old father, who had experienced combat in WWII and Korea as a Marine, walked into the USMC recruiting office in Round Rock, TX and requested immediate duty.

You bet I would fight.

Ragoo said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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What is if Infiltrators came up illegal from Mexico. Cubans mostly. ?

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this has been happening for 50 years. I thought the thread was about foreign military invasion.

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Yeah, but what if they managed to infiltrate SAC bases in the Midwest, several down in Texas?

BMX Bandit said:

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Ragoo said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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What is if Infiltrators came up illegal from Mexico. Cubans mostly. ?

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this has been happening for 50 years. I thought the thread was about foreign military invasion.

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Yeah, but what if they managed to infiltrate SAC bases in the Midwest, several down in Texas?

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What if they infiltrate a whole city and claim US territory while the federal government stands idly by? What about if they are burning down cities, destroying businesses, attacking the capital, murdering Americans, and the federal government stands idly by? What if the media is spreading propaganda allowing it to happen?

They did and the Billy bad asses here laid on their couches sucking down newports. They aren't interested in the country, they are interested in following their leader of the day.

Based on what I see on social media, it seems 100% of the world is pulling for Ukraine. I wonder could / would foreigners volunteer on Ukrainian ground to take up arms (assuming you could get into Ukraine)

Bottlerocket said:

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Based on what I see on social media, it seems 100% of the world is pulling for Ukraine. I wonder could / would foreigners volunteer on Ukrainian ground to take up arms (assuming you could get into Ukraine)

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I don't know about people volunteering to go to Ukraine, but I'm sure that if they do fall to Putin, we'll immediately see plenty of people all over the world sending whatever financial support they can for their resistance to kick Putin out.

AGinHI said:

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God

Family

Country


I'm not leaving my children.

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My grandfather left my granny and my mother, who was a few months old at the time, to follow General Patton across Europe. I am glad he didn't think like you do.

BMX Bandit said:

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What is if Infiltrators came up illegal from Mexico. Cubans mostly. ?

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Regular Cubans are more pro-America and freedom-loving than 50% of Americans born here, cause they've seen and felt actual oppression.

Dafuq you talking about?

my only response: I don't have geneva convention to abide by.

Rex Racer said:

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AGinHI said:

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God

Family

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I'm not leaving my children.

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My grandfather left my granny and my mother, who was a few months old at the time, to follow General Patton across Europe. I am glad he didn't think like you do.

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Oh please. How presumptuous, ignorant and judgmental you are.

And my grandfather, son of Italian immigrants and patriot, left my granny and mother to fight at Iwo Jima.

And my father was in the 82nd Airborne.

Are people really this stupid to assume so much when knowing absolutely nothing?

La Bamba said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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What is if Infiltrators came up illegal from Mexico. Cubans mostly. ?

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Regular Cubans are more pro-America and freedom-loving than 50% of Americans born here, cause they've seen and felt actual oppression.

Dafuq you talking about?

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We found the Cuban!

suburban cowboy said:

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We need to start by fighting our own government

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You've just been put on 15 different watch lists.

BigRobSA said:

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La Bamba said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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What is if Infiltrators came up illegal from Mexico. Cubans mostly. ?

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Regular Cubans are more pro-America and freedom-loving than 50% of Americans born here, cause they've seen and felt actual oppression.

Dafuq you talking about?

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We found the Cuban!

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Perhaps…

My wife and me discussed this along with my dad and brothers.

My dad and wife's dad would get the family together at the ranch out of the city.

Me and my 2 brothers would draw straws. Short one stays in the rear with the gear with our family. The other two of us go out and **** **** up for the invaders.

Being ex military I'm definitely pushing to get in the fight as I'd be a net better there then at the ranch waiting.

"God, Family, Country"

That's a crock a *****

Do yourself a favor and read "The Mission, the Men, and Me" by Pete Blabar.

Always place this mission first, take care of your men then worry about yourself.

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This thread leaves me feeling weary about our future as a country.

Without a country, we have no freedoms. With no freedoms, we have no identity. With no identity we have no future.

I have two small children also, my wife has asked me what happens if they come after 2a or a war breaks out in our country. I have told her, I kiss you and the kids, send you somewhere else to be safe for longer and I fight. I would rather die fighting for my children than be held hostage with my children and executed.

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Amen brother.

My wife wouldn't expect anything less from me as well.

AGinHI said:

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Rex Racer said:

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AGinHI said:

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God

Family

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I'm not leaving my children.

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My grandfather left my granny and my mother, who was a few months old at the time, to follow General Patton across Europe. I am glad he didn't think like you do.

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Oh please. How presumptuous, ignorant and judgmental you are.

And my grandfather, son of Italian immigrants and patriot, left my granny and mother to fight at Iwo Jima.

And my father was in the 82nd Airborne.

Are people really this stupid to assume so much when knowing absolutely nothing?

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Your grandpa sounds like a great man who would also disagree with you. But that said, it's different if your country is invaded, and I concede your point in not leaving your family until they are safe.

Quito said:

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I was in USAF from 1999-2007. I begged my CO to let me go on first deployment out of pilot training shortly after 9/11. I remember wanting to be a part of the action and not missing out. I had a strong sense of patriotism and anger towards our enemies.

Fast forward to today, I have a family including 3 kids and a daughter about the same age as this little girl.

What would you do if this were America. I have a hard time thinking about leaving my kids to fight for a country I don't think at least 50% of the population cares for.

Here is a Ukrainian father of young children saying goodbye to them as he plans to stay and fight for his country.

The bravery and courage needed to fight for your freedom can’t be understated. pic.twitter.com/KYbW6aAKw3

— Pomp 🌪 (@APompliano) February 24, 2022

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Overstated.

I'd go with the IR/thermal combo on the 308


Actually would go with vcog/ir combo.

The memory and honor of those before us is awesome, but I don't fight for their honor and I have family that have fought throughout many of our wars in the past. What was yesterday may not be today. I would fight for my family and their future bc I believe the best future for them is here.

Quito said:

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I was in USAF from 1999-2007. I begged my CO to let me go on first deployment out of pilot training shortly after 9/11. I remember wanting to be a part of the action and not missing out. I had a strong sense of patriotism and anger towards our enemies.

Fast forward to today, I have a family including 3 kids and a daughter about the same age as this little girl.

What would you do if this were America. I have a hard time thinking about leaving my kids to fight for a country I don't think at least 50% of the population cares for.

Here is a Ukrainian father of young children saying goodbye to them as he plans to stay and fight for his country.

The bravery and courage needed to fight for your freedom can’t be understated. pic.twitter.com/KYbW6aAKw3

— Pomp 🌪 (@APompliano) February 24, 2022

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Watched with tears in my eyes. He knows he will most likely never see them again. Tragic.

I'd fight like hell for Texas, but they can have California. Piss on those commies.

Rex Racer said:

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AGinHI said:

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Rex Racer said:

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AGinHI said:

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God

Family

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I'm not leaving my children.

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My grandfather left my granny and my mother, who was a few months old at the time, to follow General Patton across Europe. I am glad he didn't think like you do.

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Oh please. How presumptuous, ignorant and judgmental you are.

And my grandfather, son of Italian immigrants and patriot, left my granny and mother to fight at Iwo Jima.

And my father was in the 82nd Airborne.

Are people really this stupid to assume so much when knowing absolutely nothing?

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Your grandpa sounds like a great man who would also disagree with you.

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You know what's a crock of ***** The obstinate refusal to thoughtfully and critically consider the complexity of a hypothetical question and given responses while maintaining a biased, presumptive, supercilious perspective and ignorantly deriding and chastising a view based on what you want to believe about someone who you know absolutely nothing about.

I responded within two minutes of the OP, meaning, from when I first clicked on the title which most certainly wasn't when it instantly appeared, and looked over the contents, I typed an immediate reaction which was based on an image of a father and daughter. Within that very brief time I considered myself, my daughter, my professional experience and having no other resources. No other support. I stay with my daughter. Why that quality of a father protecting his daughter, in the situation I described above, perturbs some of you is beyond me. And how any of you presumed, with definite certainty, to know anything about me is ridiculous.

A hypothetical scenario-China lands on the coast of California. I am a civilian. Fighting is not my profession. While I may have the desire and passion, I don't have the experience and training. Do I just abandon my family and head to the coast to go fight, maybe hoping I find like minded individuals? What do I exactly think I am going to do against trained invaders?

Another scenario-same as above, only a group of civilians say, come with us we are going to go and fight. I'm going to head off to combat with untrained, inexperienced people? How is that useful? This isn't Red Dawn.


Another scenario-I secure my family's safety with a group of people where there are veterans, experienced soldiers, maybe even officers who request assistance? That is the group I am going to leave with. How some of you can be so ignorant and judgmental of someone who has no problem recognizing strengths and limitations and using wisdom and judgement to be the most effective I can be is also beyond me (although I think I have some clue with the utter thoughtlessness expressed in this thread).

Another scenario, I get my family to safety and there are only civilians who are motivated to support our service men and women. I'm going to go. How is this different than the above two scenarios you ask? Again, given the hypothetical situation, and imagining the chaos and confusion, I am not one to rush in without using my brain without considering all options. I suggested as much when I wrote on page 1, "Maybe it was that time for this father." Did you even bother to consider what I was saying? What I meant? Or did you just rush to judgement?

I could go on with hypothetical scenarios as I previously alluded to, "There is so much more than what I have written" and having already stated "I typed my first reaction," but you self-righteous arrogant types didn't want to read, were unable or unwilling to comprehend, refused to see me other than how you want to believe me to be or a combination of all three.

Frankly, it's been disappointing to have this conversation with people whom I believed to be educated.

I answered quickly this morning, too. And I edited my post earlier to concede your point of getting your family to safety first in the case of invasion.

Understand your point. I don't really disagree with it but I'll pose the question of "if we all think this way, does anyone stand up?"

If we're all looking for the best scenario before we get involved, does anyone get involved?

I'm not a active religious man as some of you are so it's Family and Country for me. Without that country, my family doesn't get to live as we do now. My son would be fine with my wife, she's a strong woman. If I died fighting for our country then he'd know that when he grew up and he'd know that's what true patriotism is.

Those of you that say "well I dunno if it's even worth it cause the other half doesn't see eye to eye with me on things?" PISS ON THAT *****!!!

Do you think anyone in Ukraine cares one F'IN bit about who views what as what? No!! I guarantee you there's lots of people with lots of different views in that country but currently they've all got one view and that's to bleed those f'in commie *******s dry and send as many of them back dead as they can!

As a 33 year old I can't understand why people can't think back to how we all felt as a country after 9/11. That was a major event in my life just as Pearl Harbor was for kids in the 40's. I loved how everyone came together in this country after that and I'd hope we'd do it again! Second guessing wether it's worth fighting for wouldn't get us there but y'all can all go hideout when that time comes if it ever does.

AGinHI said:

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Rex Racer said:

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AGinHI said:

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Rex Racer said:

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AGinHI said:

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God

Family

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I'm not leaving my children.

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My grandfather left my granny and my mother, who was a few months old at the time, to follow General Patton across Europe. I am glad he didn't think like you do.

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Oh please. How presumptuous, ignorant and judgmental you are.

And my grandfather, son of Italian immigrants and patriot, left my granny and mother to fight at Iwo Jima.

And my father was in the 82nd Airborne.

Are people really this stupid to assume so much when knowing absolutely nothing?

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Your grandpa sounds like a great man who would also disagree with you.

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You know what's a crock of ***** The obstinate refusal to thoughtfully and critically consider the complexity of a hypothetical question and given responses while maintaining a biased, presumptive, supercilious perspective and ignorantly deriding and chastising a view based on what you want to believe about someone who you know absolutely nothing about.

I responded within two minutes of the OP, meaning, from when I first clicked on the title which most certainly wasn't when it instantly appeared, and looked over the contents, I typed an immediate reaction which was based on an image of a father and daughter. Within that very brief time I considered myself, my daughter, my professional experience and having no other resources. No other support. I stay with my daughter. Why that quality of a father protecting his daughter, in the situation I described above, perturbs some of you is beyond me. And how any of you presumed, with definite certainty, to know anything about me is ridiculous.

A hypothetical scenario-China lands on the coast of California. I am a civilian. Fighting is not my profession. While I may have the desire and passion, I don't have the experience and training. Do I just abandon my family and head to the coast to go fight, maybe hoping I find like minded individuals? What do I exactly think I am going to do against trained invaders?

Another scenario-same as above, only a group of civilians say, come with us we are going to go and fight. I'm going to head off to combat with untrained, inexperienced people? How is that useful? This isn't Red Dawn.


Another scenario-I secure my family's safety with a group of people where there are veterans, experienced soldiers, maybe even officers who request assistance? That is the group I am going to leave with. How some of you can be so ignorant and judgmental of someone who has no problem recognizing strengths and limitations and using wisdom and judgement to be the most effective I can be is also beyond me (although I think I have some clue with the utter thoughtlessness expressed in this thread).

Another scenario, I get my family to safety and there are only civilians who are motivated to support our service men and women. I'm going to go. How is this different than the above two scenarios you ask? Again, given the hypothetical situation, and imagining the chaos and confusion, I am not one to rush in without using my brain without considering all options. I suggested as much when I wrote on page 1, "Maybe it was that time for this father." Did you even bother to consider what I was saying? What I meant? Or did you just rush to judgement?

I could go on with hypothetical scenarios as I previously alluded to, "There is so much more than what I have written" and having already stated "I typed my first reaction," but you self-righteous arrogant types didn't want to read, were unable or unwilling to comprehend, refused to see me other than how you want to believe me to be or a combination of all three.

Frankly, it's been disappointing to have this conversation with people whom I believed to be educated.

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Not everyone is a religious man. You don't need to believe in God to be courageous and hold values. I don't care if your worship Satan or praise Allah.

If you are in the bunker with me when the **** hits the fan and got my 6, you'll have my respect until the end times.

It's about saving democracy and so we can live so freely.

In almost a quarter century on TexAgs, this was the first time I was actually bothered by the remarks made to me.

If y'all only new my wife and I's desire to return to Texas, because you are the people we want to be with when the **** does hit the fan.





PS-I would need good combat leadership.

I was always first out in paintball, versus not just competitive players but ex-military.

AGinHI said:

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Rex Racer said:

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AGinHI said:

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God

Family

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I'm not leaving my children.

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My grandfather left my granny and my mother, who was a few months old at the time, to follow General Patton across Europe. I am glad he didn't think like you do.

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Oh please. How presumptuous, ignorant and judgmental you are.

And my grandfather, son of Italian immigrants and patriot, left my granny and mother to fight at Iwo Jima.

And my father was in the 82nd Airborne.

Are people really this stupid to assume so much when knowing absolutely nothing?

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Sounds like they were tougher than you, what's your point? You said you're gonna go hide in the subway with the other women, buts that's Ok because your dad and his dad were brave? Ok I guess

I'm not sure that you can know what you'll do in that situation until you are in that situation. It's not always obvious who is going to jump and in what direction. There are many accounts of ordinary, unassuming citizens rising up as heroes in the face of almost certain death. There are also many accounts of highly trained professional soldiers falling to pieces at the moment of truth.

this is a good discussion.

interesting that almost everyone is using examples from World War II.

no one is using examples from Vietnam

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AGinHI said:

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Rex Racer said:

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AGinHI said:

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God

Family

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I'm not leaving my children.

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My grandfather left my granny and my mother, who was a few months old at the time, to follow General Patton across Europe. I am glad he didn't think like you do.

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Oh please. How presumptuous, ignorant and judgmental you are.

And my grandfather, son of Italian immigrants and patriot, left my granny and mother to fight at Iwo Jima.

And my father was in the 82nd Airborne.

Are people really this stupid to assume so much when knowing absolutely nothing?

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Sounds like they were tougher than you, what's your point? You said you're gonna go hide in the subway with the other women, buts that's Ok because your dad and his dad were brave? Ok I guess

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Edit: For you, you are everything I described.

It's really hard to give a good answer given such an event here is so unfathomable. A land invasion of America is just not possible. We have no countries in this hemisphere capable of conducting such a thing, and the few nations that could would need to cross an ocean to do so. Assuming they could even land a force against he greatest navy and Air Force the world has ever seen (they couldn't) they'd be met by the greatest land army the world has ever seen supported by tens of millions of citizens with guns at the coast. It's just not something that could happen.

I'm old and out of shape. If someone invaded the US, I'd sign up in a heartbeat. This is the greatest country ever, current administration not withstanding, and I'm defending it to the death.