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Dinesh's movies in a lot of ways ruined politics in this country entirely. Before him, money wasn't considered free speech, PACs weren't a thing, and dark money with foreign influence wasn't pouring in. Citizen's United killed politics and made the battleground an international one thereby eroding our country. **** that guy and his movies, regardless of what he says.

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This particular movie would have been legal before CU. Post election movies were not considered electioneering, especially in a case where the content is about the voting process, not about a candidate, like this movie.

I also don't agree with you about Dinesh and his movies in general. The guy has only made 1 movie that might have been considered electioneering, which was the Hillary movie. Even that movie was released well ahead of the election, so under the old standard, it would not have been in violation. The rest were not about a candidate that was running at the time they were released. Two were generic films about the state of the country.

I think you are both right to an extent. Something has to penetrate the American 'zeitgeist' or whatever you call it, and I don't think a paper will do it, nor do I think just this movie will, as to the fraud of 2020. Some just want to tap dance around and pretend the courts (which utterly failed in their duty) looked at it and since no cases wound up overturning a state level election etc., it's over and it's conspiracy theory stuff to even be suspicious.

More of this is needed, ultimately, as is a greater development of the fraud's documentation. This should be a red wave year of course but the true thing that counts, to keep the courts from becoming even more partisan/pathetic, is to win it all in 2024 (meaning the Democrats lose massively). That can't happen unless the fraud is further exposed, more widely known, and the people are furious about it.

If this is true, then Georgia and Arizona needs to go after these guys and throw the book at them. Make them rat out their handlers up the the chain.

Then everybody needs to pressure Michigan and Wisconsin to do so go by pointing out their hypocrisy if they do not.

UntoldSpirit said:

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zephyr88 said:

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If true, it will be interesting to see the (1) response from Trump, (2) response from Fox, (3) response from the Republicans, and last but not least (4) the response from the lying, cheating, dirtbag democrats and their pals at CNN and MSNBC.

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The response from our news organizations, big tech, and therefore democrats will be nothing. They may say something small to discredit it and call it conspiracy theories, but that will be it. They will act like it doesn't exist, and the movie will not be big enough to cause action. It will only be another log on the fire for those that believe the election wasn't legitimate.

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In my opinion, I think it depends on whether Fox and Political Talk Radio promote it. If enough Americans are exposed to it, I think it will be more like Conservative Tree House predicts- an all out "anti-terrorist" campaign against it with the full backing of the DOJ/FBI.

If Fox and Talk Radio ignore it, then yeah, the democratic media will probably just say nothing, and any DOJ/FBI efforts will be quietly exercised.

No one expects anything will actually be done to those involved. This is more of an exercise in educating America to help prevent these laws from becoming permanent.

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Using the DOJ/FBI will certainly happen. Then it boils down to Feds vs States as this should be a state issue. Which states will begin to look into the allegations?

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The movie does serve as a good reminder to dramatically shore up voting system integrity and get rid of mail in balloting.

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This should be the right wing goal at this point or the republic is lost.

Marcus Brutus said:

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Tibbers said:

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Dinesh's movies in a lot of ways ruined politics in this country entirely. Before him, money wasn't considered free speech, PACs weren't a thing, and dark money with foreign influence wasn't pouring in. Citizen's United killed politics and made the battleground an international one thereby eroding our country. **** that guy and his movies, regardless of what he says.

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This particular movie would have been legal before CU. Post election movies were not considered electioneering, especially in a case where the content is about the voting process, not about a candidate, like this movie.

I also don't agree with you about Dinesh and his movies in general. The guy has only made 1 movie that might have been considered electioneering, which was the Hillary movie. Even that movie was released well ahead of the election, so under the old standard, it would not have been in violation. The rest were not about a candidate that was running at the time they were released. Two were generic films about the state of the country.

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Interesting point, thank you.

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Keegan99 said:

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Yes, when making what would be some of the most significant, Earth-shattering claims in American History, college-educated professionals want to see a clean, professionally-presented, rock-solid case.

Not a movie.

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You could not be more laughably wrong. Have you been paying attention over the last 10 years? To depend on the media or google/facebook/etc. to get the word out is as naive as it can get. There has been countless cases of sworn testimony on cases of fraud and plenty of reports on it. All have been ignored. It is absolutely easy to brush that stuff under rug.

It seems that D'Souza got his hands on lots of video evidence showing these mules making drops all over cities. It's far better to show that video than to write a report saying "trust us, we have video". D'Souza has his own movie-media company. He can use it get around the MSM. The best way is to make it into a movie that is accessible to millions of people, and then release a report that the movie is based off of than to release a report and hope a 1000 read it.

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That and many assume he hasn't given the evidence to authorities yet the clown Raffensberger has the information.

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aTmAg said:

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Keegan99 said:

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Yes, when making what would be some of the most significant, Earth-shattering claims in American History, college-educated professionals want to see a clean, professionally-presented, rock-solid case.

Not a movie.

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You could not be more laughably wrong. Have you been paying attention over the last 10 years? To depend on the media or google/facebook/etc. to get the word out is as naive as it can get. There has been countless cases of sworn testimony on cases of fraud and plenty of reports on it. All have been ignored. It is absolutely easy to brush that stuff under rug.

It seems that D'Souza got his hands on lots of video evidence showing these mules making drops all over cities. It's far better to show that video than to write a report saying "trust us, we have video". D'Souza has his own movie-media company. He can use it get around the MSM. The best way is to make it into a movie that is accessible to millions of people, and then release a report that the movie is based off of than to release a report and hope a 1000 read it.

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That and many assume he hasn't given the evidence to authorities yet the clown Raffensberger has the information.

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Yep. I'd bet big money right now that a substantial portion of this film will cover efforts to present the evidence to multiple authorities with the result of being ignored.

aTmAg said:

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If this is true, then Georgia and Arizona needs to go after these guys and throw the book at them. Make them rat out their handlers up the the chain.

Then everybody needs to pressure Michigan and Wisconsin to do so go by pointing out their hypocrisy if they do not.

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Keep in mind that many/most liberals are perfectly happy with ballot harvesting and want it to be legal. So in Georgia, where it is illegal, showing solid evidence of ballot harvesting is probably going to get a big "so what" from the liberal rank and file. Proving that the ballots were influenced, manipulated, or paid for on a large scale is a much harder proposition. And that's by design.

My point is that there is not going to be any pressure on anybody to do anything. This is all about informing Americans so that they understand how this works and so they can do something about it politically going forward.

Coming back from TA jail test post.

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Keegan99 said:

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So that justifies such a flim-flam presentation?

If they have the goods, one of the worst ways to present the information is as a movie.

Make a detailed, ironclad case online.

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That's BS. So here we see one of the first lines of defense against it. It's a "flim flam presentation", but it hasn't even been presented yet.

Clearly it will be picked apart, but that will be much harder to do with a movie presentation and video that ties the evidence together.

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You honestly think the best way to get this very detailed, very critical information out is via... a movie?!

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Yes, because the primary objective of D'Souza is to inform Americans so that the ballot harvesting laws can be eliminated. A movie will be the best way to get the information out to the most Americans in a clear and understandable way.

Detailed information will likely be provided at some point, but it's clear that True The Vote is at least making an attempt to give this to prosecutors that might actually examine it and use it objectively. Obviously, that does not include the DOJ.

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. True theVote put out detailed data on voting irregularities in SJL district and got a visit from the FBI and OSHA did a safety review of the woman's business who started TTV.