Why do people refuse to believe that virtually the entirety of the fitness industry (men and women) are using steroids?

The entirety of the Health & Fitness Board even on this website is full of bull**** workouts or diets that are basically snake oil being sold by some fitness industry guru who is using steroids.

The reality and blackpill of fitness is that you will gain more muscle mass and lose more fat doing absolutely nothing on a cycle of testosterone than someone who is natural that is also working out hard. It's not actually even close either.

One of my biggest pet peeves is how few people really understand just how ubiquitous steroid use is in fitness, sports, Hollywood, social media influencers (Instagram and Tik Tok), and so much more. There have even been documentaries about the topic such as Bigger, Stronger, Faster https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigger,_Stronger,_Faster*

And this was made in 2008. Social media has massively exacerbated and spread the use of steroids and now virtually every woman in the industry is also using.

I don't actually have any issues with steroids at all personally, I just don't like when people lie about it to deceive others and push some snake oil workout and I don't like it when people refuse to believe someone is using when it's very obvious they are due to their popped shoulders, large traps, and other obvious physical signs.

Pewdiepie, the biggest YouTube account in the world, talking about this is a pretty big deal. It's nice to finally see people not associated with sports, fitness, or Hollywood recognize that it's all pretty much a lie.

Completely agree. Every single fitness guru/muscle man I've met has admitted to steroid use. I don't have any issue with itit's their body. But society needs to realize how these people really obtain their physique.

My friend who played for an SEC football team within the last 5 years told me he didn't know of anyone on the team who used steroids. He said the only drug people had any concern about was passing drug tests for weed. That surprised me.

I think it's more prevalent in the fitness industry where the promoters don't have to worry about random drugs tests, and physical appearance is more important than technique or skill development, but with individual and strength sports having more steroid prevalence than team sports.

At a gym I was a long time member of I knew of a few other members who were taking either steroids or a lot of extra testosterone, some of them only in their mid 20s. Most just looked kind of bloated and chubby. Two were pretty serious physique competitors.

Is this true?

"The reality and blackpill of fitness is that you will gain more muscle mass and lose more fat doing absolutely nothing on a cycle of testosterone than someone who is natural that is also working out hard. It's not actually even close either."

That's wild if true. Had no idea. Doing nothing?

Someone got outbenched today

JB99 said:

---

Is this true?

"The reality and blackpill of fitness is that you will gain more muscle mass and lose more fat doing absolutely nothing on a cycle of testosterone than someone who is natural that is also working out hard. It's not actually even close either."

That's wild if true. Had no idea. Doing nothing?

---

Yes. There is a pretty well known study in which the do nothing but take testosterone group out gained the muscle training group in lean muscle mass.

JB99 said:

---

Is this true?

"The reality and blackpill of fitness is that you will gain more muscle mass and lose more fat doing absolutely nothing on a cycle of testosterone than someone who is natural that is also working out hard. It's not actually even close either."

That's wild if true. Had no idea. Doing nothing?

---

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejm199607043350101

Yes, the difference is very significant (see the study above). Using steroids and sitting on your ass on the couch builds significantly more muscle mass and burns more fat than someone spending a significant amount of time in the gym yet is natural.

This is what I mean when I say these workout programs are snake oil. It's all a complete lie.

Guardian Angel said:

---

Someone got outbenched today

---

Nah, it was that Pewdiepie video that drove this post. I am a member of the 1200 lb club but I freely admit I am not natural (I am on trt).

bmks270 said:

---

My friend who played for an SEC football team within the last 5 years told me he didn't know of anyone on the team who used steroids. He said the only drug people had any concern about was passing drug tests for weed. That surprised me.

I think it's more prevalent in the fitness industry where the promoters don't have to worry about random drugs tests, and physical appearance is more important than technique or skill development, but with individual and strength sports having more steroid prevalence than team sports.

At a gym I was a long time member of I knew of a few other members who were taking either steroids or a lot of extra testosterone, some of them only in their mid 20s. Most just looked kind of bloated and chubby. Two were pretty serious physique competitors.

---

You can track the increase in NFL linemen weights to the very year HGH was introduced to the world of bodybuilding. That is, the year it was introduced, linemen weights ballooned up 20 lbs on average across the league.

Anyone who is saying people are using in some sport is lying their ass off. At the top level, every single person uses.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/pgnanm/the-drugs-won-the-case-for-ending-the-sports-war-on-doping

Designer steroids are decades ahead of any testing program. The sports industry around the world is worth hundreds of billions of dollars while the testing industry is basically nothing. They cannot detect the designer steroids with current testing programs and there really isn't any money in testing for it so new tests rarely come about.

Lot of difference between being on anabolic steroids, high, and testosterone

Most fitness models are taking loads of stuff and all anabolic and high and other factors

They aren't taking just testosterone for those folks that aren't making as much as they get old.

This goes back to the saying, if it's too good to be true…

I'm a big fan of sitting around and losing fat and gaining muscle, where would one go about getting the steroids and instructions on how to use them?

what are the downsides to using for a cycle? Asking for a friend.

Seeing lots of 45 y/o jacked up dudes walking around these days. Kinds funny actually. Low T center raking it in.

You want snake oil? Look up ecozapp. THAT is snake oil

JB99 said:

---

Is this true?

"The reality and blackpill of fitness is that you will gain more muscle mass and lose more fat doing absolutely nothing on a cycle of testosterone than someone who is natural that is also working out hard. It's not actually even close either."

That's wild if true. Had no idea. Doing nothing?

---

It's a steep exaggeration. I get where he's going, but that's a crazy statement, don't think he meant it.

I kinda think athletes should be using drug regimes for general maintenance and repair, especially after age 30

better living through chemistry *shrug*

butttt, there is a differnce between that and the Rich Piana's of the world



I think it would be interesting if physicians started prescribing hgh. trt, and other regimes to help patients recover from injuries. I mean really digging into peoples bloodwork and trying to encourage the body to heal itself.

I bet within the next 5-7 years the libs crack down hard on testosterone. Bookmark this. Men's averages have TANKED since the 80's for whatever reason(s) and they have caught on and are doing something about it. If TRT really becomes more mainstream, it is not good for liberals. Men with high testosterone are more independent, assertive and dominant. This doesn't mesh well with nanny state govt, blm bullsh**, or drag queen story hour.

BAP Enthusiast said:

---

Guardian Angel said:

---

Someone got outbenched today

---

Nah, it was that Pewdiepie video that drove this post. I am a member of the 1200 lb club but I freely admit I am not natural (I am on trt).

---

If you are that experienced then why are you watching noob vids like that. That was unwatchable. Why doesn't he go after girls with filters on Snapchat next? I mean. . . Do you drink? Then you can't be taken seriously. Are you doing 6 times a week of volume, strength, plyo, etc etc etc. ?

If you are lauding the amount of weight you are doing then that is not congruent with goals synonymous with a physique built for aesthetics. That Venn diagram rarely intersects. I see more wasted time on bench press than any other exercise. The frustration of people doing high school football workouts in January is rife this year.

We all need trainers. (Coming from someone with 27 years of accredited training, coaching, powerlifting, bodybuilding, etc)

The specific goal determines the workout. You need to surrender your strength to elevate imho. When you realize fitness youtubers eat 1200 calories a day and weigh 130 pounds you do not begin to judge yourself harshly. However, there is no substitute for 330 programmed workouts a year for 5 years in a row.

In my opinion, if a man is reading this and has testosterone lower than 600 wtf are you even doing with your life. Go see a dr. Get your bloodwork done. Get on prescribed test if you need it, anastrozole, sermorelin, and cjc-ipamorelin. Act like you live in the 21st century. You have more legal options.

Man that one guy shreiks when he talks
His balls must have left him. So high pitched and weenie

BAP Enthusiast said:

---

bmks270 said:

---

My friend who played for an SEC football team within the last 5 years told me he didn't know of anyone on the team who used steroids. He said the only drug people had any concern about was passing drug tests for weed. That surprised me.

I think it's more prevalent in the fitness industry where the promoters don't have to worry about random drugs tests, and physical appearance is more important than technique or skill development, but with individual and strength sports having more steroid prevalence than team sports.

At a gym I was a long time member of I knew of a few other members who were taking either steroids or a lot of extra testosterone, some of them only in their mid 20s. Most just looked kind of bloated and chubby. Two were pretty serious physique competitors.

---

You can track the increase in NFL linemen weights to the very year HGH was introduced to the world of bodybuilding. That is, the year it was introduced, linemen weights ballooned up 20 lbs on average across the league.

Anyone who is saying people are using in some sport is lying their ass off. At the top level, every single person uses.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/pgnanm/the-drugs-won-the-case-for-ending-the-sports-war-on-doping

Designer steroids are decades ahead of any testing program. The sports industry around the world is worth hundreds of billions of dollars while the testing industry is basically nothing. They cannot detect the designer steroids with current testing programs and there really isn't any money in testing for it so new tests rarely come about.

---

We know pro athletes are using roids, but I'm just surprised my friend didn't know of any users within an SEC football program. That does cause me to think maybe it's not as prevalent as I thought. Do you really believe every college football athlete, many from poverty, are using designer drugs to beat tests? Some people are just freak athletes. Jason Pierre Paul for example didn't start playing football until he was 17.

I'm not completely ignorant, in some sports all of the top athletes are using, but I think it's sport specific.

Most of the gym rats I lifted with for 30 years didn't use steroids but a few did. I could usually tell by a red, flushed and puffy face. Also, ever notice how many pro wrestlers die young? Almost all of them! They were heavy steroid users plus they probably did a lot of others things they shouldn't have done.

Honestly though, if a person is willing to work hard for about 1.5 hours per day on fitness, they will achieve the results they seek without steroids. It's just hard work and few are willing to do it.

Never thought I would see Rich Piana mentioned on texags. At least he was open with it unlike the bubble guts up on the stages.

I'll sell people my diet and regimen. No drugs needed.

Also no cheating on the diet. Helps when allergies are developed so you very much pay the price if you did cheat.

Doesn't using steroids often call your balls to shrink?

Those late night commercials say you can load up on testosterone at GNC. No prescription needed.

Certain competition subgroups and bros who want to look ridiculous are probably using various enhancements at a high rate, but there are plenty of everyday people like me that work out for an hour to and hour and a half 6 days a week routinely and are fairway fit and strong. You don't get bulky doing that, but you can get decent muscle development and getting cut is all about diet.

I don't personally know anyone who uses the stuff but I suspect some top athletes do. But there really are freaks that work hard and are driven and can get really fit without them.

steroids and HGH are perfectly legal. As are testosterone injections
Dont really care what people do with their bodies

My son was a competitive power lifter, trained with Clarence Kennedy, etc... He did not use, but Clarence does and so does just about everyone else in the sport.

Take a look a Joe Rogan's head. Surely he is using something.

BAP Enthusiast said:

---

Guardian Angel said:

---

Someone got outbenched today

---

Nah, it was that Pewdiepie video that drove this post. I am a member of the 1200 lb club but I freely admit I am not natural (I am on trt).

---

If we are including OHP im in the 1200 lb club too. If not I'm just a weakling in the 1000lb club.

Ghost of Bizbee said:

---

You want snake oil? Look up ecozapp. THAT is snake oil

---

The only sponsor to get run off this board by the users, pitchforks in hand.

Boo Weekley said:

---

JB99 said:

---

Is this true?

"The reality and blackpill of fitness is that you will gain more muscle mass and lose more fat doing absolutely nothing on a cycle of testosterone than someone who is natural that is also working out hard. It's not actually even close either."

That's wild if true. Had no idea. Doing nothing?

---

It's a steep exaggeration. I get where he's going, but that's a crazy statement, don't think he meant it.

---

No I actually did mean it, the data and studies prove it. People don't want to believe steroids make that much of a difference but they absolutely do.

I love Jocko willink, but he had the most cringe-worthy response to someone asking him if he was on steroids the other day. Rogan at least freely admits to being on trt.

Guardian Angel said:

---

In my opinion, if a man is reading this and has testosterone lower than 600 wtf are you even doing with your life. Go see a dr. Get your bloodwork done. Get on prescribed test if you need it, anastrozole, sermorelin, and cjc-ipamorelin. Act like you live in the 21st century. You have more legal options.

---

Somatropin.

Jesus juice in a bottle. Microdose daily.