coolerguy12 said:

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howitzercannon said:

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coolerguy12 said:

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If you can't understand why someone would be distrustful of anything surrounding Covid then you must have your head firmly planted in the sand or equally dark location. You don't even have to be an "anti vaxer" or "anti covid" to see that we have been lied to over and over about this.

Let me ask you this. Why do you trust anything coming out of Faucci or this administration in regards to Covid? What have they done to earn your trust?

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You are just making broad assumptions with nothing of substance. I have never said I trust faucci. Not once. Trump is the one who approved the expedient express of the vaccine. Faucci was the communicator of the disease on behalf of the government and making recommendations.

I can understand why anyone can be distrustful of anything if they are capable of understanding of why they themselves are distrustful of the institution with meaningful explanation.

If you can't trust this vaccine do you trust other vaccines? If you do trust previous vaccines why not this one? If you don't trust previous vaccines why not? And what else do you not trust?

I trust the vaccine not because Faucci says it's good but because my historical experience says they are extremely more beneficial than the alternative. Out of all of the medical advances why should this one be one I don't trust whenthe data provided is showing that almost 100% of people in the hospital today due to COVID are unvaxxed?

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Stopped reading here because this statement is factually false.

78% of the hospitalized people in Israel are vaxxed. And Israel is the country with the highest vaxx rates in the world.... I find it highly amusing that you covidians have to spout outright falsehoods to try to make a point.

Ur either ignorant or a liar.

Either way nothing else u say should be given ANY weight at all.

It's also "extremely more beneficial than the alternative."

Uh, what is the alternative? Still get Covid, still transmit Covid. I'm not going to the hospital either way. For someone like me the vaccine literally changes nothing for me. There is no alternative. It's all the same.

blacksox said:

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I'd go with Moderna. My whole family has had it and only had minor side effects lasting less than 24 hours.

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It's not the initial effects I'm worried about. I had covid like a month ago and it wasn't even as bad as the flu. It's the long term stuff like myocarditis that could show up out of nowhere

WestTexAg12 said:

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TxAgswin said:

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Moderna.

Highest efficacy rate and the most likely to make you feel like crap the next day (for me, just the first one). It's the tequila of the COVID vaccines.

Man up and take the hard stuff.

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I don't think we give two ****s about efficacy. It's more along the lines of "Which one won't kill me or give me GBS or some other stupid side effect?"

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I am still alive.

You are statistically more likely to die from COVID at any age level than you are from a vaccine.

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WestTexAg12 said:

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TxAgswin said:

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Moderna.

Highest efficacy rate and the most likely to make you feel like crap the next day (for me, just the first one). It's the tequila of the COVID vaccines.

Man up and take the hard stuff.

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I don't think we give two ****s about efficacy. It's more along the lines of "Which one won't kill me or give me GBS or some other stupid side effect?"

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I am still alive.

You are statistically more likely to die from COVID at any age level than you are from a vaccine.

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I like how said "a vaccine". We're not concerned with any of the "real" vaccines, they aren't being forced on us. We're concerned with multiple shots we're being mandated to take where you can still catch, pass on, shed, get hospitalized for or die from covid….so why take the chance?

Not to mention the 20,000 lives lost from taking the shot in the last 12 months.

The problem is that this virus is a coronavirus that mutates quite a bit (like a lot of viruses) making vaccination difficult and many time ineffective (like now with Omicron). The focus should be on therapeutic treatments.

I had a severe case of COVID with double pneumonia and a week in the hospital, so I won't say COVID can't be serious because it absolutely can, but I haven't gotten vaccinated because it seems like a waste of time with natural immunity and vaccines that are not effective.

I'd find another job that doesn't require the vaccine. Twenty-one is too young to have to deal with death or a lifetime of chronic illness from the vax.

OP. Ignore the loons. Get any of the vaccines. And start your career.

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blacksox said:

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I'd go with Moderna. My whole family has had it and only had minor side effects lasting less than 24 hours.

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It's not the initial effects I'm worried about. I had covid like a month ago and it wasn't even as bad as the flu. It's the long term stuff like myocarditis that could show up out of nowhere

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That's just it…no one can tell you the long term side effects of a drug that's been around for 18 months.

You're clearly concerned. You need to wait for this to play out in the Courts. Several posters have shown examples (not on this thread) of companies caving. Boeing just announced they're caving today or yesterday. You appear to not want the vaccine, so don't take it. Best advice I can offer is that.

WestTexAg12 said:

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My wife's friend who is a nurse transferring from SC to Texas had to get the vaccine because the hospital is forcing them.

She got the Pfizer last week and now has heart problems. She is wearing a heart monitor and has to go in for an echo on Monday.

**** everybody who is for these mandates.

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That sucks man. Just imagine what the real numbers are of people that are having heart issues after taking this worthless crap. The idiot parents signing of their kids for this experimental ****, even toddlers, are horrible parents.

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WestTexAg12 said:

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My wife's friend who is a nurse transferring from SC to Texas had to get the vaccine because the hospital is forcing them.

She got the Pfizer last week and now has heart problems. She is wearing a heart monitor and has to go in for an echo on Monday.

**** everybody who is for these mandates.

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That sucks man. Just imagine what the real numbers are of people that are having heart issues after taking this worthless crap. The idiot parents signing of their kids for this experimental ****, even toddlers, are horrible parents.

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Exactly. This is the third person that I know of that has had a potential long term problem due to the vaccine.

The other is our 18y/o friend from CA who got GBS from the first Pfizer shot. She collapsed 5 minutes after getting the shot and had to be put into ICU for a couple days.

Pfizer - safest bet but might not work.

Moderna - will work but heart/stroke issues. Being investigated.

JJ - FDA recently advised not to take it due to blood clots and ineffective.

WestTexAg12 said:

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ProgN said:

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WestTexAg12 said:

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My wife's friend who is a nurse transferring from SC to Texas had to get the vaccine because the hospital is forcing them.

She got the Pfizer last week and now has heart problems. She is wearing a heart monitor and has to go in for an echo on Monday.

**** everybody who is for these mandates.

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That sucks man. Just imagine what the real numbers are of people that are having heart issues after taking this worthless crap. The idiot parents signing of their kids for this experimental ****, even toddlers, are horrible parents.

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Exactly. This is the third person that I know of that has had a potential long term problem due to the vaccine.

The other is our 18y/o friend from CA who got GBS from the first Pfizer shot. She collapsed 5 minutes after getting the shot and had to be put into ICU for a couple days.

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Yep, safe, effective and free is the biggest load a bull**** being served up to the people. Doctors have violated the trust of their patients and no longer warrant being trusted. I doubt they'll be able to ever get it back as more and more people suffer adverse reactions to a vaccine that 95% of people don't need, especially children. The true believers that ecstatically submit their children to this crap need to imagine how they're going to feel if they have to put them a kid sized coffin.

It looks like Novavax got the EUA from WHO

Continue your job search, unless you were going to get vaxed anyway.

If you were getting vaxed anyway, the brand doesn't really matter. They all keep most recipients from developing a bad case but nothing more. All have side effects, all will require boosters, and long term impacts are not known for any of them.

If you weren't going to get vaxed for whatever reason, allowing your employer to force something into your body as a condition of employment is not a good way to start off that relationship. It is just a sign of things to come.

Ernest Tucker said:

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It looks like Novavax got the EUA from WHO

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I have been tuning this covid crap out, so pardon my ignorance but the Novavax is actually a true vaccine from before they changed the definitions? Not mrna based, correct?

Nonregdrummer09 said:

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The problem is that this virus is a coronavirus that mutates quite a bit (like a lot of viruses) making vaccination difficult and many time ineffective (like now with Omicron). The focus should be on therapeutic treatments.

I had a severe case of COVID with double pneumonia and a week in the hospital, so I won't say COVID can't be serious because it absolutely can, but I haven't gotten vaccinated because it seems like a waste of time with natural immunity and vaccines that are not effective.

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Key wording "not effective".

Clinical trials spouted efficacy percentages @ 95%. These vaccines were nowhere near 95% effective for a couple of reasons.

The 95% efficacy is based on mathematical models assuming the vaccinated groups and control groups have similar interactions in society with other uninflected and infected people.

• The statistical models used could have been wrong,
• The vaccinated group may have deviated from the control group in interactions within society and exposure to the disease.
• the groups, vaccinated vs placebo, may have deviated substantially from each other,
• the underlying natural immunity or susceptibility between individuals is not as completely understood as the scientists believe.(apparently healthy younger individuals die from COVID-19 & the vaccines for unknown reasons)
• RNA viruses mutate rapidly compared to DNA viruses or bacteria and initially scientists claimed COVID-19 had mechanisms to slow mutation down.

The sheer numbers of variable is daunting and you screw one up the study is in error possibly significantly in error. Some scientists are extremely arrogant, throw them in a private company setting where profits are involved you have a recipe for bias.

aggiehawg said:

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Ernest Tucker said:

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It looks like Novavax got the EUA from WHO

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I have been tuning this covid crap out, so pardon my ignorance but the Novavax is actually a true vaccine from before they changed the definitions? Not mrna based, correct?

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The Novavax vaccine is just a chunk of protein. It is called a subunit protein manufactured in a plant in a kettle. The protein subunit in this case is a spike protein with a latch protein preventing the spike from ballooning out(part of the mechanism the coronavirus uses to invade through he cell wall).

The protein sub unit is metabolically inactive, unlike the mRNA(Moderna/Pfizer) or genetically modified adenovirus(J&J) which enlist our cells to produce the spike protein.

The subunit protein shouldn't be able to enter our cells. Our body's immune system should detect the invader and do its thing. I was waiting on the Novavax vaccine but we are going to the BVI in mid March so I will have get a vaccine, probably the Moderna. My immune system is kind a messed up as I am apparently getting arthritis in my knee and hope the Moderna doesn't screw me over.

GlaxoSmithKline is also developing a similar vaccine.

I don't know of any company developing a inactive virus or attenuated virus vaccine which I would prefer. These would have several antigens our bodies would recognize and fight. I believe the polio vaccine had 20 or thirty antigens as opposed to the COVID-19 vaccines which I think only have two.

Any experts out there please correct my errors.

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J&J is the most tested technology.

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And it causes blood clots the best too!

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That's what I'm worried about given I got clots when I had Covid. The poster earlier got out on blood thinners for a month when he got the J&J, seems like what I might have to do to keep my job.

Thank you. And good luck for your trip and hope the holidays are safe and fun for you and yours.

Ernest Tucker said:

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It looks like Novavax got the EUA from WHO

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It just sucks because they are going to distribute it to lower and middle income countries, not the United States.

aggiehawg said:

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Thank you. And good luck for your trip and hope the holidays are safe and fun for you and yours.

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You're welcome. Hope your holidays are fun and joyous. Anxious to get back to the BVI, we will be joining friends we made on a Royal Clipper ship cruise and spending the week on a catamaran. Last years trip was canceled due to the COVID-19 insanity.

Savior Jimbo said:

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Ernest Tucker said:

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It looks like Novavax got the EUA from WHO

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It just sucks because they are going to distribute it to lower and middle income countries, not the United States.

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I emailed them asking when the US may give approval and haven't heard back.

isitjustme said:

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Continue your job search, unless you were going to get vaxed anyway.

If you were getting vaxed anyway, the brand doesn't really matter. They all keep most recipients from developing a bad case but nothing more. All have side effects, all will require boosters, and long term impacts are not known for any of them.

If you weren't going to get vaxed for whatever reason, allowing your employer to force something into your body as a condition of employment is not a good way to start off that relationship. It is just a sign of things to come.

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Thanks for pointing this out, it was something I hadn't considered yet. This company is significantly more corporate than the rest of the companies in my industry. As far as I know there is only a small handful of companies requiring the vaccine, along with conducting diversity and inclusion training. It just so happens the one I have a job offer with is in that group.

I don't want to stray from my morals for more money and better benefits, but it's tempting.