***** OFFICIAL Russia v. Ukraine *****

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In reply to Rossticus • 9:31a, 4/26/22
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Rossticus said:
Bwahah. This is very Finland.

As is this.

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12:21p, 4/26/22
If anyone is interested, one of the guys from our gator site (gator country) is flying himself over to the region to deliver relief supplies, seems Like it conjunction with his church.
While I do not know him but from there to vouch for him. It seems like a decent cause.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-me-deliver-supplies-to-ukrainian-refugees?member=18920075&sharetype=teams&utm_campaign=p_na+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=customer
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1:36p, 4/26/22
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2:21p, 4/26/22


More russian things having problems?
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In reply to Robk • 2:25p, 4/26/22
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Looks like a steam boiler blew...
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In reply to wessimo • 2:30p, 4/26/22
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wessimo said:
Looks like a steam boiler blew...
I guess you could say that facility...is in hot water.
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2:53p, 4/26/22
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In reply to Tex117 • 3:40p, 4/26/22

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6:16p, 4/26/22
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Pulling out all the stops


Seven and three are ten, not only now, but forever. There has never been a time when seven and three were not ten, nor will there ever be a time when they are not ten. Therefore, I have said that the truth of number is incorruptible and common to all who think. — St. Augustine
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In reply to Demosthenes81 • 6:50p, 4/26/22
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Also probably true
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In reply to LostInLA07 • 7:15p, 4/26/22
I Lol'd at this.

"You can't make this **** up" doesn't really apply to Russia, b/c much of what they come up with has been pretty wild. However this could even be beyond their reach and I could see being true.
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12:33a, 4/27/22
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In reply to Rossticus • 5:00a, 4/27/22
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It's amazing what kids can learn and soak up like a sponge when they're not bombarded with gender confusion and gay pride parades in school by purple haired moron activists masquerading as teachers.
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In reply to ProgN • 7:35a, 4/27/22
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Rossticus said:
It's amazing what kids can learn and soak up like a sponge when they're not bombarded with gender confusion and gay pride parades in school by purple haired moron activists masquerading as teachers.

Dont worry NATO will spread its values to Ukrainian schools eventually.
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In reply to Rossticus • 7:47a, 4/27/22
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Love this bias. "Its recovered...for now."

The EU/US threw the kitchen sink at Russia and Russia took it and stabilized their currency. Now our economic quiver is empty and Russia shrugged it off and solidified eastward (China/India).

What's more intriguing is that you have states like Germany wanting to ramp up manufacturing of weapons against Russia while being largely dependent on russian energy. Russia is only going to drip oil from the faucet, just to make money and keep germany weak until Germany figures out another option.

Most people dont realize this has been a problem for Germany forever. One of the main reasons Hitler failed was a lack of native oil. They had to seize foreign oil fields to keep the machine moving, but this caused issue with supply lines thus problems with projection.
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7:50a, 4/27/22
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They were able to get an influx of free manufactured goods from Ukraine
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In reply to The Debt • 8:13a, 4/27/22
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The Debt said:
AlaskanAg99 said:

Regardless if it's mass starvation, ethnic cleansing, murder, intimidation etc...


With no hint of irony, you just described how kiev has treated russians within their border.


Great point. How has russia treated its own citizens? Even their own soldiers just in from the front?
And what percentage ethnic russians are those who have been leaving over the last years code named "brain drain" or those who were stopped attempting to leave russia the last 60 days?
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11:35a, 4/27/22
But muh NATO and ethnic Russians.

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11:51a, 4/27/22
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Fake news CNN
Hillary paid for warrant to spy on Trump.
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Hillary paid for warrant to spy on Trump.
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In reply to Rossticus • 2:24p, 4/27/22
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natgas pipelines from the eastern Med to Cyprus and to Greece have been discussed for several years now
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In reply to LMCane • 2:28p, 4/27/22
Convenient timing for anticipated completion.
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In reply to The Debt • 2:47p, 4/27/22
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The Debt said:
Rossticus said:

Love this bias. "Its recovered...for now."

The EU/US threw the kitchen sink at Russia and Russia took it and stabilized their currency. Now our economic quiver is empty and Russia shrugged it off and solidified eastward (China/India).

LOL. There is zero market for rubles outside of Russia. And there's only a market inside of Russia because Putin has enacted drastic measures to make it so.

https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2022/04/05/1090920442/how-russia-rescued-the-ruble

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On Feb. 28, the Central Bank of Russia increased interest rates to 20%. Any Russian who might have been tempted to sell their rubles and buy dollars or euros now has a big incentive to save that money instead. The fewer rubles that go up for sale, the less downward pressure there is on the currency.

Next comes a government requirement on Russian businesses that 80% of any money that those businesses make overseas has to be swapped into rubles. This means that a Russian steelmaker that makes 100 million euros selling steel to a company in France has to turn around and change 80 million of those euros into rubles, regardless of the exchange rate. A lot of Russian companies are doing a lot of business with foreign companies, making a lot of euros, dollars and yen. The order to convert 80% of those revenues into rubles creates significant demand for the Russian currency, thus helping to prop it up.

The Kremlin also issued an edict banning Russian brokers from selling securities owned by foreigners. Many foreign investors own Russian corporate shares and government bonds, and they might understandably want to sell those securities. By banning those sales, the government is shoring up both the stock and bond markets and keeping money inside the country, all of which helps keep the ruble from falling.

Russian citizens themselves have been targeted by the government, which has restricted them from transferring money abroad. The initial ban said all foreign exchange loans and transfers were to be suspended. This served to keep foreign currency in the country and discourage Russians from selling rubles for dollars or euros, which would put pressure on the currency. Those restrictions have been eased somewhat recently to give breathing room to Russians who regularly send money abroad, but conversions of hard currency are limited to just $10,000 for individuals through the end of this year.

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What the Russian government is up to here, though, is more than defense of a currency: It is manipulating the market for rubles and manufacturing demand that would not otherwise exist.

Some observers are saying that Russia has essentially created a Potemkin currency. This is a reference to Grigory Potemkin, who was appointed governor of Crimea after Catherine the Great annexed it in 1784. Eager to show Catherine how successful he had been in resettling Crimea with Russian villagers, Potemkin supposedly built and populated a mobile village that he assembled, disassembled and then reassembled along her route as she inspected the region. The head of the Central Bank of Russia, Elvira Nabiullina, is essentially playing Potemkin to Putin's Catherine, using a range of tools to make the ruble look like a currency that has value when in fact very few people outside Russia want to buy a single ruble unless they absolutely have to and when many people inside Russia don't really want rubles either.

Their economy is in massive trouble and it's only going to get worse as they run out of spare parts for everything.
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3:09p, 4/27/22
Russia gonna starve the NATO out of 'em, I guess. Same Russia as 100 years ago.

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In reply to Rossticus • 3:20p, 4/27/22
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Russia gonna starve the NATO out of 'em, I guess. Same Russia as 100 years ago.



It's not stealing if Ukraine is really, deep down, Russian.
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4:20p, 4/27/22
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So how does anyone see this ending? Here are my thoughts.

Russia eventually gets enough of its **** together to take full control of the areas in eastern Ukraine that they really want. An informal ceasefire of some sort is arranged, one that allows Russia to stop bleeding and Ukraine to not look like it has completely given up territory.

Tons and tons of Western arms, more than you are seeing now, then start to flow into Ukraine. Maybe even some new type of Berlin wall separating eastern Ukraine?
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