***** OFFICIAL Russia v. Ukraine *****

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Now the fun starts.
Do we get "I still want to be prez Putin" or "I have nothing to lose so let's go scorched earth" Putin?
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45-70Ag said:

No clue how i did that. Sorry.
I get it buy corn futures post market.
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All of a sudden Europe shows signs of having a backbone.

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MSM Monday morning talking points are out

A chorus warning of the dangers of 'mis-information'

You'll see this escalate throughout the week.

This is cue for the technocracy to ban dissenting opinions.
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Build It said:

And we are still buying millions per day from Putin, We are financing the war.

No one is in D.C. demanding executive action to stop it. No one in Congress saying a word. The republicans are happy to stand back and point fingers. Every elected official should be on the floor demanding sleepy Joe stop it. It's pretty obvious Congress really doesn't care about anything but campaign sound bytes. All incumbents must go.




Military Industrial Complex hard at work.
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Everyone is realizing how incappable Russia's military really is.
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Next they will tell us the "Ghost of Kiev" and "Ukrainian Reaper" are fake too…
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60554959


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nortex97 said:


This has got to be infuriating to the Russian military. Hope they figure a way to send all the Russian military leadership sunflower seeds.
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Not that I believe this but this is good:
Seven and three are ten, not only now, but forever. There has never been a time when seven and three were not ten, nor will there ever be a time when they are not ten. Therefore, I have said that the truth of number is incorruptible and common to all who think. — St. Augustine
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Build It said:

Except the current US administration is blocking any new LNG terminals and expansion. Let's not even get into what they are doing to stop production.
At this point President Biden needs to be impeached.
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EDIT
She deleted that tweet

Here's a screenshot.


Also note she's a Texas Tech alum... Stay classy.
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richardag said:

Build It said:

Except the current US administration is blocking any new LNG terminals and expansion. Let's not even get into what they are doing to stop production.
At this point President Biden needs to be impeached.
President Kamala isn't any better and could possibly be worse. Nor is President Pelosi or President Leahy. That's the next 3 in line.

We just have to suck it up until at least next January, elections have consequences.
"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."

Ronald Reagan
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TChaney said:


LOL. Propagandist saying don't label me as a propagandist. Just like the US MSM. .
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Build It said:

Except the current US administration is blocking any new LNG terminals and expansion. Let's not even get into what they are doing to stop production.
The US is the #2 exporter of LNG in the world and is expected to become #1 this year.

"FERC and the US Department of Energy have approved another 10 US LNG export projects and capacity expansions at three existing LNG terminals: Cameron, Freeport, and Corpus Christi totaling 25 6 billion ft3/day of new capacity."

LNG Export Terminals
LNG Expansion
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Drive by with Molotov cocktails.

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45-70Ag said:

Drive by with Molotov cocktails.


The woman got some blow-back and caught her own arm on fire...
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Demosthenes81 said:

Not that I believe this but this is good:


The Panther of Kharkiv!! LOL

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Demosthenes81 said:

Not that I believe this but this is good:

LOL. Probably not true...but funny.

Today's winner for the General Board Burrito Lottery is:

Tex117
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Excuse my ignorance on modern warfare but why in the hell would any sniper use a visible laser? That just seems like something someone made up after watching too many movies.

Surely no sniper is actually giving away their position and using a pointless laser (visible and not IR) when they can make the shot just as successfully without it..

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ttha_aggie_09 said:

Excuse my ignorance on modern warfare but why in the hell would any sniper use a visible laser? That just seems like something someone made up after watching too many movies.

Surely no sniper is actually giving away their position and using a pointless laser (visible and not IR) when they can make the shot just as successfully without it..


I'm pretty sure this cat thing is bull*****
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I'm not sure its bull**** so much as it is obviously a joke/satire
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45-70Ag said:


Corn and soybean futures were down over the weekend. Still down off their peak right after Putin went in.
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TChaney said:


So when are the US labels coming for CNN, MSDNC, ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, etc??
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45-70Ag said:


Almost $700 a bushel?

That's quite an increase from the normal $4 to $5 a bushel.

If you haven't bought your deer corn yet, sucks to be you. Your 50 pound bag is now going to cost you $617.00

Or maybe city boy doesn't have a clue, and misplaced the decimal point.
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Great thread:



Quote:

Russians are being bombarded with very effective Russian-language anti-war propaganda. We're seeing a lot about Zelensky etc. but Russians are widely viewing some HUGE celebrities with big, big follower counts coming out against the war.



You might have read about Yury Dud, the popular Russian blogger, speaking out against the war. 5 million followers, and look at what he's sharing at the top of his Instagram page: strong stuff.



Here's a voice from Ukraine. Travel YouTuber Anton Ptushkin, a Russian speaker with *5.5 million* subscribers, posted this heartfelt appeal for peace & frank discussion of fears about his family on his IG.



Russians are seeing these narratives, hearing their peers and idols talk to them like normal people and in Russian. They're being shared widely, and the Russian government basically can't stop them. On the other side, the Russian government is pushing an increasingly impersonal narrative. All we're seeing is images of Putin and his generals in vast meeting rooms, adorned with Rococo panelling, in unidentified places.



The people, where they are addressed, are spoken to as an abstract ("The government is starting a special operation...") rather than as individuals (Ukraine's "We implore you, fellow Russians, to stop attacking our women and children"). State TV political shows, which have good viewing figures, aren't talking about or to people or individuals, who will be the key to winning the propaganda war, either.



Instead, we're still treated to the kinds of bizarre anti-NATO/US Imperialism rants that move public opinion slowly against the enemy. But I don't see them having much effect, in the long run, vs. the much more slick Russian language Ukrainian material. RU's narrative looks more like WW1 - a detached imperial tsar directing his troops in an abstract war against imperial opposition - than the "all-national" effort of WW2 when, even under Stalin, the population was united in its desire to fight the Nazis. Remember this point.



Turning to Russian social media, a much more threatening narrative for Putin's government might be playing out. I've spent some time reading around Russian language social media to look for what people are saying about the war. Kontakte, aka "Russian Facebook," is highly controlled by the government. Even on some of the state-supported paramilitary movement pages, the war is conspicuously absent.



There is no attempt to mobilize the people for a large, drawn-out war, or to "soften up" opinion to prepare for the idea that Russians are going to die.

On ordinary people's VK feeds, I'm seeing three things: (1) Total indifference/absence of mentions of the war is conspicuous almost everywhere you look. Whether people are afraid to post about the war publicly (to some extent possible) or not, we don't know.

(2) Mild criticism of the war, sharing of broken heart emojis, etc. This isn't too widespread, so I don't want to over egg it, but it's important. Anti-war sentiment is there, and you're seeing some of it on the streets.

These sympathetic posts, though, are met with a barrage of aggressive, macho chest thumping ("We'll smash those Western dogs", "LOL bring it on" stuff). Some responses - especially on Instagram - are obviously from bots.

But what's interesting is that I don't see narratives around WW2 being picked up at all. There's a lot of polarized rage, similar to what we see in the West's comments, but no real sense that many of even the most war-hungry Russians are buying into Putin's WW2 cosplay dreams.

If that sentiment isn't there, I don't think - and this is a guess - that people will be ready to make the huge sacrifices that WW2 necessitated. If the Ukraine war is justified by "anti-Nazism," then people aren't picking up the historical connection.

(3) This is probably the most important point. I'm seeing plenty of sharing about bank runs, ATM dashes, inflating prices, and availability of consumer goods. People in the Far East, where food prices are already sky high, aren't quite panicking, but they're not exactly happy.

This is leading to open comparisons to the 1990s: Putin built his brand on stability after the lawlessness and poverty of the 90s, so this is devastating news. This talk was supposed to be long gone (follow
@allysonedwards1
for more on the Russian 1990s and militarization).

People aren't ready for their favourite celebrities who speak out against the war - and there are a good number of famous Russians who have done so - to just disappear.

People are not ready for their iPhones to disappear to inflation and sanctions (joke seen in the wild today: "Don't drop your iPhone, because it's going to be your last"). People are not ready for hyper-inflation.


And the government is doing essentially *nothing* to get Russians ready for this. They overplayed a weak hand, the West called their bluff, and now they're in the ***** (Notice this seems to parallel the overconfidence in the military effort - not a coincidence, I'll wager you.)

So what do we have? A stagnant propaganda machine that knows how to create chaos and tear things - esp. the West - down. But it's the propaganda machine of an empire. It's not agile, and it doesn't know how to respond to current events & the strong Ukrainian and Western efforts.

Here's why I think the WW1 comparison is the most important, then: few who would have expected that WW1 would lead to the Russian Revolution 3 years later.

The Russian Empire walked into war without bothering to really prepare its people, who were indifferent to the justification for war, both from the off and increasingly over time. There were divisions, and the Bolsheviks & others manipulated them superbly to seize power.

After a few days of war we can't say that Putin is doomed, but I wonder: without signs that the gvt is taking winning the media war seriously, will tiny cracks around the 1990s, around sacrifice, and around loss turn into gaping fissures in the state's narratives of identity?
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CanyonAg77 said:

45-70Ag said:


Almost $700 a bushel?

That's quite an increase from the normal $4 to $5 a bushel.

If you haven't bought your deer corn yet, sucks to be you. Your 50 pound bag is now going to cost you $617.00

Or maybe city boy doesn't have a clue, and misplaced the decimal point.

Quote:

Contract Size 5,000 bushels (~ 127 Metric Tons)
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PJYoung said:

Great thread:


More on the war for hearts and minds: Ukraine's IT Army
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PJYoung said:

CanyonAg77 said:

45-70Ag said:


Almost $700 a bushel?

That's quite an increase from the normal $4 to $5 a bushel.

If you haven't bought your deer corn yet, sucks to be you. Your 50 pound bag is now going to cost you $617.00

Or maybe city boy doesn't have a clue, and misplaced the decimal point.

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Contract Size 5,000 bushels (~ 127 Metric Tons)

5,000 bushels would be $25,000 in normal times, not less than $700

This is 100% a guy who either doesn't know how future are priced (most likely) or forgot the decimal.

A bushel of corn is 56 pounds. This guy is saying $690 a bushel or $12 a pound

You're trying to say it for 5,000 bushels, which would be 2/10 of a cent per pound

You're both wrong.
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Now is not the time to limit U.S. natural gas exports (brookings.edu)

Are you suggesting the Dems aren't trying to limit it? Especially the controlling green squad?

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richardag said:

Build It said:

Except the current US administration is blocking any new LNG terminals and expansion. Let's not even get into what they are doing to stop production.
At this point President Biden needs to be impeached.
But not for that. "FERC and the US Department of Energy have approved another 10 US LNG export projects and capacity expansions at three existing LNG terminals: Cameron, Freeport, and Corpus Christi, totaling 25 6 billion ft3/day of new capacity."

EXPANSION
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Build It said:

Now is not the time to limit U.S. natural gas exports (brookings.edu)

Are you suggesting the Dems aren't trying to limit it? Especially the controlling green squad?


Nope. I responded to your earlier assertion that Biden has actually done so.
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Yea, I know I'm building for one.

To suggest the current Admin hasn't tried to slow and stop the expansion is dishonest.
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