In the process destroying a valuable relationship with one of our WWII allies who sacrificed the most to defeat Imperial Japan.AgResearch said:China is watching and listening. They should take Taiwan while Biden is in office. Easiest chance to get it.ChemEAg08 said:
You know who is not a NATO territory….
Taiwan
Biden is clearly trying to leave Putin an offramp by not sanctioning big state banks – Sberbank, VTB, Gazprombank – because that’d cause problems for ordinary Russians.
— max seddon (@maxseddon) February 22, 2022
But Putin seems to have no interest in stepping back and thinks the US will sanction Russia whatever happens.
Russians utilizing electronic warfare weaponry, sending spoofed texts to Ukrainian soldiers. https://t.co/h0flWxDwjU
— Doge (@IntelDoge) February 22, 2022
Ukraine is not without blame in this situation. They knew full well the friction it would cause with Russia when they try to cozy up to NATO. They are also to blame for not getting rid of their corruption problems and fixing their economy and military. They had it in their own power to stand on their own and make themselves defensible (as much as possible given their unenviable location).Rossticus said:
Just listened to a Ukrainian rip into Biden's sanctions as essentially useless. Punitive but will have no impact on the extant situation. Of course, we know this.
Ah yes, the old wife beater's "she had it comin'" defense.javajaws said:Ukraine is not without blame in this situation. They knew full well the friction it would cause with Russia when they try to cozy up to NATO. They are also to blame for not getting rid of their corruption problems and fixing their economy and military. They had it in their own power to stand on their own and make themselves defensible (as much as possible given their unenviable location).Rossticus said:
Just listened to a Ukrainian rip into Biden's sanctions as essentially useless. Punitive but will have no impact on the extant situation. Of course, we know this.
Really, no one will cry much if Putin goes in and puts a new government in place. Not saying they deserve it...but THEY could have prevented it if they weren't such a s**t show of a country.
Agreed.aezmvp said:
This is probably correct, but listening to all the wrong parts of the state department. Tufts and all those Ivy leaguers think that the 21st century is supposed to be kinder and gentler and don't realize it's the 19th century with nukes, hypersonic weapons, drones and whatever else they come up with in the next 80 years.
Nice clickbait response, I expect nothing less from some of you.Sully Dog said:Ah yes, the old wife beater's "she had it comin'" defense.javajaws said:Ukraine is not without blame in this situation. They knew full well the friction it would cause with Russia when they try to cozy up to NATO. They are also to blame for not getting rid of their corruption problems and fixing their economy and military. They had it in their own power to stand on their own and make themselves defensible (as much as possible given their unenviable location).Rossticus said:
Just listened to a Ukrainian rip into Biden's sanctions as essentially useless. Punitive but will have no impact on the extant situation. Of course, we know this.
Really, no one will cry much if Putin goes in and puts a new government in place. Not saying they deserve it...but THEY could have prevented it if they weren't such a s**t show of a country.
jabberwalkie09 said:Russians utilizing electronic warfare weaponry, sending spoofed texts to Ukrainian soldiers. https://t.co/h0flWxDwjU
— Doge (@IntelDoge) February 22, 2022
TxTarpon said:NopeQuote:
Would Russia ever come back for Alaska?
Czar wanted it gone.
Needed the cash.
Rossticus said:
Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania are interesting locations for re-deployment. Non-escalatory inter-theater movement to get forces closer to Poland just in case things get weird? Those countries don't seem to be at particular risk.
they have been at risk just like Crimea was-Rossticus said:
Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania are interesting locations for re-deployment. Non-escalatory inter-theater movement to get forces closer to Poland just in case things get weird? Those countries don't seem to be at particular risk.
javajaws said:Ukraine is not without blame in this situation. They knew full well the friction it would cause with Russia when they try to cozy up to NATO. They are also to blame for not getting rid of their corruption problems and fixing their economy and military. They had it in their own power to stand on their own and make themselves defensible (as much as possible given their unenviable location).Rossticus said:
Just listened to a Ukrainian rip into Biden's sanctions as essentially useless. Punitive but will have no impact on the extant situation. Of course, we know this.
Really, no one will cry much if Putin goes in and puts a new government in place. Not saying they deserve it...but THEY could have prevented it if they weren't such a s**t show of a country.
But all in the immediate vicinity of Belarus.Rossticus said:
Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania are interesting locations for re-deployment. Non-escalatory inter-theater movement to get forces closer to Poland just in case things get weird? Those countries don't seem to be at particular risk.
jabberwalkie09 said:But all in the immediate vicinity of Belarus.Rossticus said:
Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania are interesting locations for re-deployment. Non-escalatory inter-theater movement to get forces closer to Poland just in case things get weird? Those countries don't seem to be at particular risk.
Like it or not, part of their withdrawal from the Soviet union was to remain neutral. Getting more involved with the US and EU scares the crap out of Putin.Rossticus said:javajaws said:Ukraine is not without blame in this situation. They knew full well the friction it would cause with Russia when they try to cozy up to NATO. They are also to blame for not getting rid of their corruption problems and fixing their economy and military. They had it in their own power to stand on their own and make themselves defensible (as much as possible given their unenviable location).Rossticus said:
Just listened to a Ukrainian rip into Biden's sanctions as essentially useless. Punitive but will have no impact on the extant situation. Of course, we know this.
Really, no one will cry much if Putin goes in and puts a new government in place. Not saying they deserve it...but THEY could have prevented it if they weren't such a s**t show of a country.
Massive progress has been made toward reforms in recent years which they've been working extraordinarily hard on once they ousted the pro-Russian government. They've been doing exactly what you've said they should. The US and other EU countries have been directly involved in that. And they're a sovereign nation. Trying to insulate themselves from Russian influence is a good thing. Not something to use a criticism. "It's their fault for allying closer to our allies than Russia!".
Hack. Try again.
No, I think it's just additional pressure with no real force behind it.Rossticus said:jabberwalkie09 said:But all in the immediate vicinity of Belarus.Rossticus said:
Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania are interesting locations for re-deployment. Non-escalatory inter-theater movement to get forces closer to Poland just in case things get weird? Those countries don't seem to be at particular risk.
I thought about that. Would Russia really re-deploy to the opposite side of Belarus to invade NATO countries? Seems like a hell of a gamble.
javajaws said:Like it or not, part of their withdrawal from the Soviet union was to remain neutral. Getting more involved with the US and EU scares the crap out of Putin.Rossticus said:javajaws said:Ukraine is not without blame in this situation. They knew full well the friction it would cause with Russia when they try to cozy up to NATO. They are also to blame for not getting rid of their corruption problems and fixing their economy and military. They had it in their own power to stand on their own and make themselves defensible (as much as possible given their unenviable location).Rossticus said:
Just listened to a Ukrainian rip into Biden's sanctions as essentially useless. Punitive but will have no impact on the extant situation. Of course, we know this.
Really, no one will cry much if Putin goes in and puts a new government in place. Not saying they deserve it...but THEY could have prevented it if they weren't such a s**t show of a country.
Massive progress has been made toward reforms in recent years which they've been working extraordinarily hard on once they ousted the pro-Russian government. They've been doing exactly what you've said they should. The US and other EU countries have been directly involved in that. And they're a sovereign nation. Trying to insulate themselves from Russian influence is a good thing. Not something to use a criticism. "It's their fault for allying closer to our allies than Russia!".
Hack. Try again.
If they wanted to get into NATO, they should have been the first of the Soviet countries to do so, not the last.
⚠️🛰️Sentinel-2 imagery taken this morning 08:36 UTC shows at least nine Ilyushin Il-76 military cargo aircraft departing🇷🇺Taganrog-Central Air Base near Taganrog in Russia, located on the shores of the Sea of Azov, 40 km from 🇺🇦Ukraine (DPR).
— Gerjon | חריון (@Gerjon_) February 22, 2022
Three of them airborne, six taxiing. pic.twitter.com/wJ650An9jl
If you point a gun at a bear often enough either one of two things will happen: 1) The bear will get used to it and ignore you, or 2) He will maul the crap out of you!Rossticus said:javajaws said:Like it or not, part of their withdrawal from the Soviet union was to remain neutral. Getting more involved with the US and EU scares the crap out of Putin.Rossticus said:javajaws said:Ukraine is not without blame in this situation. They knew full well the friction it would cause with Russia when they try to cozy up to NATO. They are also to blame for not getting rid of their corruption problems and fixing their economy and military. They had it in their own power to stand on their own and make themselves defensible (as much as possible given their unenviable location).Rossticus said:
Just listened to a Ukrainian rip into Biden's sanctions as essentially useless. Punitive but will have no impact on the extant situation. Of course, we know this.
Really, no one will cry much if Putin goes in and puts a new government in place. Not saying they deserve it...but THEY could have prevented it if they weren't such a s**t show of a country.
Massive progress has been made toward reforms in recent years which they've been working extraordinarily hard on once they ousted the pro-Russian government. They've been doing exactly what you've said they should. The US and other EU countries have been directly involved in that. And they're a sovereign nation. Trying to insulate themselves from Russian influence is a good thing. Not something to use a criticism. "It's their fault for allying closer to our allies than Russia!".
Hack. Try again.
If they wanted to get into NATO, they should have been the first of the Soviet countries to do so, not the last.
Oh, well since that's all they needed to do. If I'd known it was that easy…
Tell you what.javajaws said:Ukraine is not without blame in this situation. They knew full well the friction it would cause with Russia when they try to cozy up to NATO. They are also to blame for not getting rid of their corruption problems and fixing their economy and military. They had it in their own power to stand on their own and make themselves defensible (as much as possible given their unenviable location).Rossticus said:
Just listened to a Ukrainian rip into Biden's sanctions as essentially useless. Punitive but will have no impact on the extant situation. Of course, we know this.
Really, no one will cry much if Putin goes in and puts a new government in place. Not saying they deserve it...but THEY could have prevented it if they weren't such a s**t show of a country.
Much stronger sanctions, ejection of Russian diplomats from the U.S.New World Ag said:
What is he supposed to do? There is very little support on either side for direct US involvement in Ukraine.
javajaws said:If you point a gun at a bear often enough either one of two things will happen: 1) The bear will get used to it and ignore you, or 2) He will maul the crap out of you!Rossticus said:javajaws said:Like it or not, part of their withdrawal from the Soviet union was to remain neutral. Getting more involved with the US and EU scares the crap out of Putin.Rossticus said:javajaws said:Ukraine is not without blame in this situation. They knew full well the friction it would cause with Russia when they try to cozy up to NATO. They are also to blame for not getting rid of their corruption problems and fixing their economy and military. They had it in their own power to stand on their own and make themselves defensible (as much as possible given their unenviable location).Rossticus said:
Just listened to a Ukrainian rip into Biden's sanctions as essentially useless. Punitive but will have no impact on the extant situation. Of course, we know this.
Really, no one will cry much if Putin goes in and puts a new government in place. Not saying they deserve it...but THEY could have prevented it if they weren't such a s**t show of a country.
Massive progress has been made toward reforms in recent years which they've been working extraordinarily hard on once they ousted the pro-Russian government. They've been doing exactly what you've said they should. The US and other EU countries have been directly involved in that. And they're a sovereign nation. Trying to insulate themselves from Russian influence is a good thing. Not something to use a criticism. "It's their fault for allying closer to our allies than Russia!".
Hack. Try again.
If they wanted to get into NATO, they should have been the first of the Soviet countries to do so, not the last.
Oh, well since that's all they needed to do. If I'd known it was that easy…
deddog said:Tell you what.javajaws said:Ukraine is not without blame in this situation. They knew full well the friction it would cause with Russia when they try to cozy up to NATO. They are also to blame for not getting rid of their corruption problems and fixing their economy and military. They had it in their own power to stand on their own and make themselves defensible (as much as possible given their unenviable location).Rossticus said:
Just listened to a Ukrainian rip into Biden's sanctions as essentially useless. Punitive but will have no impact on the extant situation. Of course, we know this.
Really, no one will cry much if Putin goes in and puts a new government in place. Not saying they deserve it...but THEY could have prevented it if they weren't such a s**t show of a country.
If you ever want a shining example of why you shouldn't give up nuclear weapons, Ukraine is a great example.
It's why NKorea and Iran will never do so.
We were there. I can confirm barrage went on the entire time we were on the ground. https://t.co/trYuCLnwvh
— Dan Rivers (@danriversitv) February 22, 2022
Not when Biden takes his son to the zoo and throws honey on you!Rossticus said:javajaws said:If you point a gun at a bear often enough either one of two things will happen: 1) The bear will get used to it and ignore you, or 2) He will maul the crap out of you!Rossticus said:javajaws said:Like it or not, part of their withdrawal from the Soviet union was to remain neutral. Getting more involved with the US and EU scares the crap out of Putin.Rossticus said:javajaws said:Ukraine is not without blame in this situation. They knew full well the friction it would cause with Russia when they try to cozy up to NATO. They are also to blame for not getting rid of their corruption problems and fixing their economy and military. They had it in their own power to stand on their own and make themselves defensible (as much as possible given their unenviable location).Rossticus said:
Just listened to a Ukrainian rip into Biden's sanctions as essentially useless. Punitive but will have no impact on the extant situation. Of course, we know this.
Really, no one will cry much if Putin goes in and puts a new government in place. Not saying they deserve it...but THEY could have prevented it if they weren't such a s**t show of a country.
Massive progress has been made toward reforms in recent years which they've been working extraordinarily hard on once they ousted the pro-Russian government. They've been doing exactly what you've said they should. The US and other EU countries have been directly involved in that. And they're a sovereign nation. Trying to insulate themselves from Russian influence is a good thing. Not something to use a criticism. "It's their fault for allying closer to our allies than Russia!".
Hack. Try again.
If they wanted to get into NATO, they should have been the first of the Soviet countries to do so, not the last.
Oh, well since that's all they needed to do. If I'd known it was that easy…
Now imagine there's a fence around you and the bear and it makes the bear angry when you try to get out. You'll get eaten for sure if you stay in the fence but might also get eaten if you try to escape. At least escape gives you a fighting chance.