***** OFFICIAL Russia v. Ukraine *****

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I don't see much of a difference between this and Hitler seizing territory prior to September 1939.

A leader looking to take back land once belonging to them a generation ago.

How the world reacts is what dictates the damage down the line.
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will25u said:




Well…that'll leave a mark…

Honestly didn't think the Germans had the balls to do it. But given that they had a mild winter and it's nearing the end with inventories not in bad shape, make sense.
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The world can break the Russians economically, and it won't take that long. This should be interesting to watch.
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mazag08 said:

Does Obama still think Reagan wants his foreign policy back?



Goes without saying but Barry is a deluded fking idiot
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I Have Spoken said:

The world can break the Russians economically, and it won't take that long. This should be interesting to watch.


How much damage can their military do before they run out of supplies?

The answer is scorch the earth.
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Yea, I'm not saying it will be a good thing for Ukraine.
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Nice roundup of current and pending SANCTIONS

Putin getting no help from CHINA at the UN.
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I Have Spoken said:

The world can break the Russians economically, and it won't take that long. This should be interesting to watch.


I think Putin is at a point in his life where he's thinking legacy over everything else, and because of that he's known what the country will lose financially because of this, but sees it worth it to bring Ukraine back in the fold.
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How is Germany going to be secure on NG supply when so much is sourced from Russia?

The fact they've tied their economy to an 'existential threat' of Russia which they may go to war with is so mind boggling. Now if the US starts to send LNG to the EU, then that will have a major impact on US prices.

And lastly, if Putin is painted into a corner and he believes this aggression is for the survival of his country, then non-conventional attacks may be on the board directed at the EU and then also at the US. Cyber attacks to cause chaos on all the home fronts: attacks to banking systems and our energy grid. An extreme situation would be EMP attacks. Put your enemy in full disarray so they are not able to respond.
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Carlo4 said:

I don't see much of a difference between this and Hitler seizing territory prior to September 1939.

A leader looking to take back land once belonging to them a generation ago.

How the world reacts is what dictates the damage down the line.
It depends.

Hitler not only wanted to create the Greater Aryan Reich, but also create "Lebensraum" in the East for the development of those Aryan citizens.

He also wanted to annihilate Soviet communism and the Jews.

I haven't seen anything that points to Putin wanting to reconquer Budapest or Prague.
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AlaskanAg99 said:

How is Germany going to be secure on NG supply when so much is sourced from Russia?

The fact they've tied their economy to an 'existential threat' of Russia which they may go to war with is so mind boggling. Now if the US starts to send LNG to the EU, then that will have a major impact on US prices.

And lastly, if Putin is painted into a corner and he believes this aggression is for the survival of his country, then non-conventional attacks may be on the board directed at the EU and then also at the US. Cyber attacks to cause chaos on all the home fronts: attacks to banking systems and our energy grid. An extreme situation would be EMP attacks. Put your enemy in full disarray so they are not able to respond.
good points

I don't see this escalating to WMD but certainly cyber attacks if the USA starts to really interfere with Putin's plans.

also, never underestimate the ability of the Europeans to F things up!

Trump was correct about NATO and now everyone can see it.
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Putin is trying to create Novorossiya and get the borders back to USSR times. Russia is a dying country and land grabs are what countries have done for hundreds of years in order to survive. If Russia does not there is a chance in a generation they will start to fall apart.
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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

mazag08 said:

Does Obama still think Reagan wants his foreign policy back?



Goes without saying but Barry is a deluded fking idiot
Mitt Romney not as much of an idiot to the mainstream media now, huh?
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P.U.T.U said:

Putin is trying to create Novorossiya and get the borders back to USSR times. Russia is a dying country and land grabs are what countries have done for hundreds of years in order to survive. If Russia does not there is a chance in a generation they will start to fall apart.
although that is counterintuitive-

he has a contracting population but is increasing his borders and bringing in more "non" Russians.

it's almost recreating the end of the Roman Empire.
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LMCane said:

Carlo4 said:

I don't see much of a difference between this and Hitler seizing territory prior to September 1939.

A leader looking to take back land once belonging to them a generation ago.

How the world reacts is what dictates the damage down the line.
It depends.

Hitler not only wanted to create the Greater Aryan Reich, but also create "Lebensraum" in the East for the development of those Aryan citizens.

He also wanted to annihilate Soviet communism and the Jews.

I haven't seen anything that points to Putin wanting to reconquer Budapest or Prague.
1997 NATO Borders means that Hungry, Slovakia and the Czech Republic would be on that list actually. Not to mention Romania, Bulgaria, North Macedonia, Albania, Croatia, Montenegro, Slovenia oh and Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland. So he has said that. If I was Poland right now I'd be thinking very hard about a secret nuclear program.
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AlaskanAg99 said:

How is Germany going to be secure on NG supply when so much is sourced from Russia?

The fact they've tied their economy to an 'existential threat' of Russia which they may go to war with is so mind boggling. Now if the US starts to send LNG to the EU, then that will have a major impact on US prices.

And lastly, if Putin is painted into a corner and he believes this aggression is for the survival of his country, then non-conventional attacks may be on the board directed at the EU and then also at the US. Cyber attacks to cause chaos on all the home fronts: attacks to banking systems and our energy grid. An extreme situation would be EMP attacks. Put your enemy in full disarray so they are not able to respond.
similar how sleepy joe has essentially tied our oil to middle eastern countries who hate us and want to kill us? It is indeed mind boggling how countries are that stupid. But then again I'd be willing to bet my life that Joe and his cronies along with the Germany leaders in charge are all getting their cut under the table to do this.
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AlaskanAg99 said:

How is Germany going to be secure on NG supply when so much is sourced from Russia?

The fact they've tied their economy to an 'existential threat' of Russia which they may go to war with is so mind boggling. Now if the US starts to send LNG to the EU, then that will have a major impact on US prices.

And lastly, if Putin is painted into a corner and he believes this aggression is for the survival of his country, then non-conventional attacks may be on the board directed at the EU and then also at the US. Cyber attacks to cause chaos on all the home fronts: attacks to banking systems and our energy grid. An extreme situation would be EMP attacks. Put your enemy in full disarray so they are not able to respond.
The US is the #2 LNG exporter in the world and already sends a lot of it to Europe. Finite regassification capacity inhibits their ability to quickly increase imports, though.
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The only portion of the Russian population that is growing are the Muslims, Ukraine is around 97% Christian that fits more inline with their views. The old Russians do not want the Muslims having any control
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In the end Putin will reward certain countries with NG supplies by not cutting them off if they don't intervene.

The more uppity a country gets, the spigot will be turned off. Hey, it's only winter. And most NATO countries are incredibly soft, their own populations will cause an uproar. So it depends on how much people are willing to suffer. And that is Putin's plan.
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YouBet said:

Captain Positivity said:

Goldman Sachs predicting 6% drop in S&P if Russia launches full scale invasion, worse drop in Europe and Japan.
While they probably aren't wrong with that prediction (because it's pretty obvious), Goldmans is a joke.
Goldmans is a joke AND CORRUPT
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F-16 opinion on effectiveness of sanctions? How well have they worked against N. Korea, Iran, and other nations?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/definition-of-impotence-lawmakers-blast-white-house-after-official-says-russias-ukraine-move-not-an-invasion
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'Definition of impotence': Lawmakers blast White House after official says Russia's Ukraine move not an 'invasion'
by Mike Brest, Defense Reporter | | February 22, 2022 09:29 AM

A slew of lawmakers from both sides of the aisle took issue with the Biden administration's claim that Russian troops entering disputed Ukrainian territory does not amount to an invasion.


Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday officially recognized two occupied regions the Luhansk People's Republic and the Donetsk People's Republic as independent of Ukraine, and he ordered troops to enter those regions. A U.S. official reacted by saying the United States doesn't consider this a "new step," because Russian troops have been there since 2014.

"To be clear, if any additional Russian troops or proxy forces cross into Donbas, the Biden administration and our European allies must not hesitate in imposing crushing sanctions," Democratic Sen. Bob Menendez, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said in a statement. "There must be tangible, far-reaching and substantial costs for Russia in response to this unjustified act."....

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You voted for this because you didn't like Mean Tweets?!
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Rossticus said:

Jock 07 said:

Didn't read that manifesto and haven't paid a ton of attention to TC's take on this but hasn't he essentially say why are we so concerned about a foreign country's border when our southern border has been leaking like a sieve? Not sure you can really argue with that
To begin, that's a logical fallacy. Neither one must necessarily preclude the other. Old Jedi mind trick.
Tucker wasn't implying an either/or situation. It is completely valid to point out the differences in President Biden's handling of the borders.

You are attributing a false narrative(that Tucker believes or said we can't handle both).

Tucker seems to lean on the side isolationism. He seems fairly consistent in his belief that America meddles too often in foreign countries. Unfortunately isolationism often ends poorly for everyone.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
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AlaskanAg99 said:

In the end Putin will reward certain countries with NG supplies by not cutting them off if they don't intervene.

The more uppity a country gets, the spigot will be turned off. Hey, it's only winter. And most NATO countries are incredibly soft, their own populations will cause an uproar. So it depends on how much people are willing to suffer. And that is Putin's plan.
US LNG can pick up more of the slack if Europe chooses. GAS
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richardag said:

Rossticus said:

Jock 07 said:

Didn't read that manifesto and haven't paid a ton of attention to TC's take on this but hasn't he essentially say why are we so concerned about a foreign country's border when our southern border has been leaking like a sieve? Not sure you can really argue with that
To begin, that's a logical fallacy. Neither one must necessarily preclude the other. Old Jedi mind trick.
Tucker wasn't implying an either/or situation. It is completely valid to point out the differences in President Biden's handling of the borders.

You are attributing a false narrative(that Tucker believes or said we can't handle both).

Tucker seems to lean on the side isolationism. He seems fairly consistent in his belief that America meddles too often in foreign countries. Unfortunately isolationism often ends poorly for everyone.


By the rules of economics, isolationism leads to suboptimal outcomes.
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richardag
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Rossticus said:


This is reality. I suspect the majority do not want to be under Russian control. Russian insurgents have been causing death and destruction for quite some time in these areas.

Putin is the living embodiment of evil.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
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ABATTBQ11 said:

richardag said:

Rossticus said:

Jock 07 said:

Didn't read that manifesto and haven't paid a ton of attention to TC's take on this but hasn't he essentially say why are we so concerned about a foreign country's border when our southern border has been leaking like a sieve? Not sure you can really argue with that
To begin, that's a logical fallacy. Neither one must necessarily preclude the other. Old Jedi mind trick.
Tucker wasn't implying an either/or situation. It is completely valid to point out the differences in President Biden's handling of the borders.

You are attributing a false narrative(that Tucker believes or said we can't handle both).

Tucker seems to lean on the side isolationism. He seems fairly consistent in his belief that America meddles too often in foreign countries. Unfortunately isolationism often ends poorly for everyone.
By the rules of economics, isolationism leads to suboptimal outcomes.
No argument here.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
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Fightin2010 said:

I have watched tons of Ukraine coverage on Fox. What are y'all getting at?
me too the last few days

no idea at whoever is stating they aren't covering it?!

the film footage of the Ukraine Interior Minister getting shelled in Donbass was LITERALLY filmed by Trey Yingst and the Fox News crew!
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sometimes "suboptimal" is okay.

it's better than "unmitigated disaster"
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FYI...

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Ukraine is the only country in Europe where firearms are not regulated by statute. Everything related to firearms is regulated by the Order 622 of Ministry of Internal Affairs. Citizens are permitted to own non-fully automatic rifles and shotguns as long as they are stored properly when not in use.
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Would like to take this opportunity to point out the idiocy of Germans and Merkel, in particular, on their decision to phase out 25% of their power supply (nuclear) to placate the green movement:

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Chancellor Angela Merkel said the nuclear power phase-out, previously scheduled to be completed as late as 2036, would give Germany a competitive advantage in the renewable energy era, stating, "As the first big industrialized nation, we can achieve such a transformation toward efficient and renewable energies, with all the opportunities that brings for exports, developing new technologies and jobs".
That date was moved up to 2022 and they shut down 3 more reactors at the end of 2021. She's a moron.
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Links are to a Ukrainian marine's Instagram page who is on the ground.

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CaR_j6QjHXa/?utm_medium=copy_link

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CaSFSaQD2y5/?utm_medium=copy_link
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