aTmAg said:

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LMCane said:

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aTmAg said:

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Biden could put an end to this right now by flat out declaring an invasion of Ukraine means all out war. Stick F-22s, F35s, F15s, F16s, and A10s nearby and say we will use our air power to it's full effect to repel any invasion. By projecting weakness, he is encouraging Putin (and others).

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That's insanity and the destruction of a large part of the us military

You think the leftists are going to join up to invade Ukraine to liberate them from Russia?!? This isn't a call of duty game- you are literally discussing a potential nuclear exchange

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You guys are clearly ignorant of history.

Putin knows our airpower is so dominating that he would never dream of invading if he was convinced we would use it against him. You guys want to convince him we wouldn't. Which is the EXACT opposite thing to do.

People like you claimed Reagan was going to start a war by being so smashmouth with the Soviets. History proved him right, and you wrong.

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Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld - is that you?

Yeah, I'm ignorant of history. I only have a Bachelors in military history, have traveled to 37 countries, lived overseas, and spent 10 years in the Air Force Intelligence Branch (serving at the Pentagon on the Joint Chiefs of Staff as a LT).

what are your bona fides again?

MACRON CALLS FOR EMERGENCY MEETING OF UN SECURITY COUNCIL AND ADOPTION OF TARGETED EUROPEAN SANCTIONS - ELYSEE STATEMENT

— *Walter Bloomberg (@DeItaone) February 21, 2022

Leaflets.

Transgender right, masks, Pfizer, oh and we haven't forgotten about Ukrainians. This won't be another Kabul.

Signed
Joseph Biden.

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so is anyone (including Ukraine) going to try to stop the invasion?

with like...you know...tanks, artillery, etc..,

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Latvians are sending anti-tank artillery to Ukraine

You can station the entire Air Force and naval aviation components on the border and it won't stop Russia from invading.

Air power alone is a half effort that will not achieve meaningful results. We are not going to do what it would take to stop a Russian invasion, the Ukraine is going to fall and fall hard.

Rossticus said:

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jabberwalkie09 said:

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AFSOC air convoy up currently from 🇵🇱 Powidz AB, Poland, north of Krakow.

🇺🇸 RAGGY81 is MC-130J 09-5713 #AE4BE6
🇺🇸 125759 is MC-130J 12-5759 #AE54CC
🇺🇸 00000000 is CV-22B 11-0060 #AE540C

Transmitting ADS-B (except CV-22B... MLAT). Found using open-source means (@ADSBexchange). pic.twitter.com/R9teROGfnH

— Evergreen Intel (@vcdgf555) February 21, 2022

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Anyone have any speculation on what this is indicative of?

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Embassy staff in Lviv would be my guess. The Osprey isn't on the tracker now from what I see. And the MC-130's are orbiting very close to the border.

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pagerman @ work said:

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A perspective to consider:

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The situation is like the Cuban Turkish Missile Crisis. How soon everyone forgot that it was the American decision to put nukes into Turkey that prompted the Russians to threaten to put nukes into Cuba. Whether rightly or wrongly, the Russian side has long felt aggrieved that the US has treated them as a pathetic has-been with a puny GDP rather than as a nuclear superpower. Or, to be more specific, President Putin has long felt he wasn't getting sufficient respect or a hearing for his take on reality. No doubt many will continue to speculate whether he is a madman on a messianic mission or a Head of State that isn't being taken seriously or the Head of an organized crime gang whose cash flows have dried up. Whichever the case, the West needs to understand that we are all now in the midst of a dry tinderbox with a lot of matches lying around now. So, what can be done to de-escalate?

First, let's be clear about the ask. Putin outlined some specifics that have already been declined, like Ukraine being prevented from ever joining NATO. But, these are just opening gambits for something bigger. President Obama's former Ambassador to Russia, Michael McFaul, got it right when he said Putin is looking for the Helsinki Accords 2.0. This is what Russia and China both want. They have both long lost all faith in the American-led post-war system that promised equality and opportunity, but which has been used (in their view) to punish them at every turn. Both want recognition of their "territorial integrity". The West threatens Russia with expulsion from SWIFT and kills China's efforts to build a global brand (Huawei). All sides agree that the "Gentleman's Agreements" of the post-war period no longer apply and the gloves are off. The US wants the old rules back. China and Russia want new ones.

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The first new rule of global diplomacy is that electrons are bullets. We forget. We in the West went digital. Russia and China pretty much stayed analog. China turned all its data off and cut off the Chinese from the global internet altogether. They can live without these things. The West cannot. The easiest way to damage the West now is not via a cyberattack, though that's underway too. Forget blockading the port in Odessa and instead imagine a blockade of your computer port.

The new escalation is simply to turn off the power, GPS and the internet. But, not for long. These mechanisms are needed to spread the news but their availability can become sporadic. All this can be done by China and Russia with almost unlimited plausible deniability. When electrons are weapons, wars become invisible and don't need to be declared. Events happen and nobody quite connects the dots or can determine exactly who did it. Electrons can start fires, set off explosions, jam signals. That's also why explosions in space have to be taken seriously. They can disrupt the core of modern economy.

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As Kahn said, you have to change your mindset to de-escalate. Remember that the West has fought tech wars with analog opponents. This is a tech war with tech opponents who can drop into analog at any time by falling back on an abacus or a slide rule. Americans can't count on ten fingers at this point. Nor can they use a smartphone or launch a weapon without access to the grid. If the solution is to concede that the global economy is so deeply intertwined that we cannot excommunicate China and Russia but instead need a new set of rules and agreements to accommodate them, then why not start Helsinki 2.0? It beats sitting in the dark. If we do not like how Putin handles the management of the state and think his brand of poison is unacceptable (Novichok and Polonium), then we have to create a world where the new rules of the game address these behaviors.

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Do you have a link to the full article?

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Escalation: Electrons are the New Bullets

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UK GOVT CONFIRMS IT WILL BE ANNOUNCING RUSSIA SANCTIONS TOMORROW IN RESPONSE TO PUTIN’S DECLARATION - THE GUARDIAN

— *Walter Bloomberg (@DeItaone) February 21, 2022

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from what the White House just released these sanctions are complete bull @#$#

levying sanctions on Luhansk and Donetsk- because so many Americans do business there!

95% of the american population has never even heard of those places!

that is completely meaningless in the real world and will only hurt the actual citizens living in those areas, while having ZERO impact on Putin or the Russian army.

Agreed. Just thinking of what Russia produces in raw materials, has me thinking that the West and others who are reliant upon those goods are going to be in for a shock.

"EXPORTS
The top exports of Russia are Crude Petroleum ($123B), Refined Petroleum ($66.2B), Petroleum Gas ($26.3B), Coal Briquettes ($17.6B), and Wheat ($8.14B), exporting mostly to China ($58.1B), Netherlands ($41.7B), Belarus ($20.5B), Germany ($18.9B), and Italy ($16.7B).

In 2019, Russia was the world's biggest exporter of Wheat ($8.14B), Semi-Finished Iron ($6.99B), Coal Tar Oil ($4.49B), Raw Nickel ($4.03B), and Nitrogenous Fertilizers ($3.05B)"

https://oec.world/en/profile/country/rus/

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LMCane said:

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aTmAg said:

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LMCane said:

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aTmAg said:

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Biden could put an end to this right now by flat out declaring an invasion of Ukraine means all out war. Stick F-22s, F35s, F15s, F16s, and A10s nearby and say we will use our air power to it's full effect to repel any invasion. By projecting weakness, he is encouraging Putin (and others).

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That's insanity and the destruction of a large part of the us military

You think the leftists are going to join up to invade Ukraine to liberate them from Russia?!? This isn't a call of duty game- you are literally discussing a potential nuclear exchange

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You guys are clearly ignorant of history.

Putin knows our airpower is so dominating that he would never dream of invading if he was convinced we would use it against him. You guys want to convince him we wouldn't. Which is the EXACT opposite thing to do.

People like you claimed Reagan was going to start a war by being so smashmouth with the Soviets. History proved him right, and you wrong.

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Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld - is that you?

Yeah, I'm ignorant of history. I only have a Bachelors in military history, have traveled to 37 countries, lived overseas, and spent 10 years in the Air Force Intelligence Branch (serving at the Pentagon on the Joint Chiefs of Staff as a LT).

what are your bona fides again?

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I'm not saying you're him, but your posting characteristics are starting to come off similar to a certain poster that has been outed on this board numerous times with numerous socks...

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Just block him and quit engaging, please. It will help all of us.

pagerman @ work said:

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Solo Tetherball Champ said:

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pagerman @ work said:

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A perspective to consider:

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The situation is like the Cuban Turkish Missile Crisis. How soon everyone forgot that it was the American decision to put nukes into Turkey that prompted the Russians to threaten to put nukes into Cuba. Whether rightly or wrongly, the Russian side has long felt aggrieved that the US has treated them as a pathetic has-been with a puny GDP rather than as a nuclear superpower. Or, to be more specific, President Putin has long felt he wasn't getting sufficient respect or a hearing for his take on reality. No doubt many will continue to speculate whether he is a madman on a messianic mission or a Head of State that isn't being taken seriously or the Head of an organized crime gang whose cash flows have dried up. Whichever the case, the West needs to understand that we are all now in the midst of a dry tinderbox with a lot of matches lying around now. So, what can be done to de-escalate?

First, let's be clear about the ask. Putin outlined some specifics that have already been declined, like Ukraine being prevented from ever joining NATO. But, these are just opening gambits for something bigger. President Obama's former Ambassador to Russia, Michael McFaul, got it right when he said Putin is looking for the Helsinki Accords 2.0. This is what Russia and China both want. They have both long lost all faith in the American-led post-war system that promised equality and opportunity, but which has been used (in their view) to punish them at every turn. Both want recognition of their "territorial integrity". The West threatens Russia with expulsion from SWIFT and kills China's efforts to build a global brand (Huawei). All sides agree that the "Gentleman's Agreements" of the post-war period no longer apply and the gloves are off. The US wants the old rules back. China and Russia want new ones.

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The first new rule of global diplomacy is that electrons are bullets. We forget. We in the West went digital. Russia and China pretty much stayed analog. China turned all its data off and cut off the Chinese from the global internet altogether. They can live without these things. The West cannot. The easiest way to damage the West now is not via a cyberattack, though that's underway too. Forget blockading the port in Odessa and instead imagine a blockade of your computer port.

The new escalation is simply to turn off the power, GPS and the internet. But, not for long. These mechanisms are needed to spread the news but their availability can become sporadic. All this can be done by China and Russia with almost unlimited plausible deniability. When electrons are weapons, wars become invisible and don't need to be declared. Events happen and nobody quite connects the dots or can determine exactly who did it. Electrons can start fires, set off explosions, jam signals. That's also why explosions in space have to be taken seriously. They can disrupt the core of modern economy.

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As Kahn said, you have to change your mindset to de-escalate. Remember that the West has fought tech wars with analog opponents. This is a tech war with tech opponents who can drop into analog at any time by falling back on an abacus or a slide rule. Americans can't count on ten fingers at this point. Nor can they use a smartphone or launch a weapon without access to the grid. If the solution is to concede that the global economy is so deeply intertwined that we cannot excommunicate China and Russia but instead need a new set of rules and agreements to accommodate them, then why not start Helsinki 2.0? It beats sitting in the dark. If we do not like how Putin handles the management of the state and think his brand of poison is unacceptable (Novichok and Polonium), then we have to create a world where the new rules of the game address these behaviors.

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Do you have a link to the full article?

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Escalation: Electrons are the New Bullets

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we better hope the banks and the brokerages are running a lot of tape today and keeping records of all their accounts- pretty good chance they are going to be hit in the next few days.

I am printing out all my bank statements and brokerage account/ 401K information first thing in the morning

Anyone hoping this administration would somehow thwart Russias move to conquer Ukraine is not clearly thinking. The Afghanistan pullout is all you need to see for how unprepared and inexperienced this administration is.

jabberwalkie09 said:

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Rossticus said:

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jabberwalkie09 said:

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AFSOC air convoy up currently from 🇵🇱 Powidz AB, Poland, north of Krakow.

🇺🇸 RAGGY81 is MC-130J 09-5713 #AE4BE6
🇺🇸 125759 is MC-130J 12-5759 #AE54CC
🇺🇸 00000000 is CV-22B 11-0060 #AE540C

Transmitting ADS-B (except CV-22B... MLAT). Found using open-source means (@ADSBexchange). pic.twitter.com/R9teROGfnH

— Evergreen Intel (@vcdgf555) February 21, 2022

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Anyone have any speculation on what this is indicative of?

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Embassy staff in Lviv would be my guess. The Osprey isn't on the tracker now from what I see. And the MC-130's are orbiting very close to the border.

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At what point does USAF turn off their commercially available tracking instruments and go dark?

45-70Ag said:

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Anyone hoping this administration would somehow thwart Russias move to conquer Ukraine is not clearly thinking. The Afghanistan pullout is all you need to see for how unprepared and inexperienced this administration is.

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Hence why France, Germany, and UK seem to be taking point on this.

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jabberwalkie09 said:

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AFSOC air convoy up currently from 🇵🇱 Powidz AB, Poland, north of Krakow.

🇺🇸 RAGGY81 is MC-130J 09-5713 #AE4BE6
🇺🇸 125759 is MC-130J 12-5759 #AE54CC
🇺🇸 00000000 is CV-22B 11-0060 #AE540C

Transmitting ADS-B (except CV-22B... MLAT). Found using open-source means (@ADSBexchange). pic.twitter.com/R9teROGfnH

— Evergreen Intel (@vcdgf555) February 21, 2022

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Anyone have any speculation on what this is indicative of?

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Embassy staff in Lviv would be my guess. The Osprey isn't on the tracker now from what I see. And the MC-130's are orbiting very close to the border.

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At what point does USAF turn off their commercially available tracking instruments and go dark?

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I imagine they have everything turned on because they are operating on the Polish side of the border in what is still active commercial airspace.

PUTIN ORDERS PEACEKEEPING OPERATION IN EASTERN UKRAINE'S TWO BREAKAWAY REGIONS

— *Walter Bloomberg (@DeItaone) February 21, 2022

45-70Ag said:

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Anyone hoping this administration would somehow thwart Russias move to conquer Ukraine is not clearly thinking. The Afghanistan pullout is all you need to see for how unprepared and inexperienced this administration is.

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not that I will watch, but I bet Biden and Cumala take a victory lap at the State of the Union speech on 1 March if they "hold" Putin to just Donetsk and Luhansk:

"See, the Russians didn't massacre the entire country like we told you they would do three weeks ago! That's because of our smart sanctions and leadership in the White House"

Kyiv subway now.
Everybody’s reading news. pic.twitter.com/X7zutgdp2H

— Illia Ponomarenko (@IAPonomarenko) February 21, 2022

TOP US GENERAL MILLEY SPOKE WITH THEIR UKRAINIAN COUNTERPART TO EXCHANGE PERSPECTIVES AND ASSESSMENTS OF THE SECURITY ENVIRONMENT - US MILITARY STATEMENT.

— Breaking News | FinancialJuice (@Financialjuice1) February 21, 2022

Irish 2.0 said:

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PUTIN ORDERS PEACEKEEPING OPERATION IN EASTERN UKRAINE'S TWO BREAKAWAY REGIONS

— *Walter Bloomberg (@DeItaone) February 21, 2022

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In mother Russia the peace keeps YOU !

Everything we're seeing is platitude and virtue signaling to make euro leaders and poopy Joe feel better, knowing it won't do a bit of good in the long run. This is just a piss off of military supplies. And the financial aid everyone has promised? Joke. There won't be any Ukraine left to use it.

Irish 2.0 said:

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PUTIN ORDERS PEACEKEEPING OPERATION IN EASTERN UKRAINE'S TWO BREAKAWAY REGIONS

— *Walter Bloomberg (@DeItaone) February 21, 2022

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looks like serve is back to Zelensky and Ukraine...

do they stand aside and pull back their troops back from the confrontation line in the East..

or stand and fight?

Irish 2.0 said:

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PUTIN ORDERS PEACEKEEPING OPERATION IN EASTERN UKRAINE'S TWO BREAKAWAY REGIONS

— *Walter Bloomberg (@DeItaone) February 21, 2022

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Right on cue. I'm thinking these movements started as soon as Putin started his speech.

Rossticus said:

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Everything we're seeing is platitude and virtue signaling to make euro leaders and poopy Joe feel better, knowing it won't do a bit of good in the long run. This is just a piss off of military supplies. And the financial aid everyone has promised? Joke. There won't be any Ukraine left to use it.

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I suggested facetiously a few weeks ago that maybe Putin was waiting another month..

just so he could capture more US Army Javelins by the time he rolls into Kyiv

#Cuba, #Venezuela and #Nicaragua will also recognize Donetsk and Luhansk as independent republics.

— 🅰🅻🅴🆁🆃 🅲🅷🅰🅽🅽🅴🅻 (@AlertChannel) February 21, 2022

Pakistani prime minister to fly to Moscow to meet Putin this week.

— 🅰🅻🅴🆁🆃 🅲🅷🅰🅽🅽🅴🅻 (@AlertChannel) February 21, 2022

Wasn't Zelensky supposed to address the nation at some point?

Ah yes, another Afghanistan.

jabberwalkie09 said:

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Irish 2.0 said:

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PUTIN ORDERS PEACEKEEPING OPERATION IN EASTERN UKRAINE'S TWO BREAKAWAY REGIONS

— *Walter Bloomberg (@DeItaone) February 21, 2022

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Right on cue. I'm thinking these movements started as soon as Putin started his speech.

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it is pretty amazing that for a "poor" country as the White House refers to Russia, they sure are able to stage a cr@p ton of military equipment throughout Syria and Ukraine and Belarus

will25u said:

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#Cuba, #Venezuela and #Nicaragua will also recognize Donetsk and Luhansk as independent republics.

— 🅰🅻🅴🆁🆃 🅲🅷🅰🅽🅽🅴🅻 (@AlertChannel) February 21, 2022

Pakistani prime minister to fly to Moscow to meet Putin this week.

— 🅰🅻🅴🆁🆃 🅲🅷🅰🅽🅽🅴🅻 (@AlertChannel) February 21, 2022

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getting the old band all back together for one final reunion tour!

good thing we suddenly ignored Venezuela about 2 years ago.

jabberwalkie09 said:

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Kyiv subway now.
Everybody’s reading news. pic.twitter.com/X7zutgdp2H

— Illia Ponomarenko (@IAPonomarenko) February 21, 2022

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one thing I noticed the last few weeks-

in EVERY media shot there are military age males walking around going about their lives in civilian attire.

that is not a country that believes it is facing an existential threat- have they even called up their reserve formations yet?

I haven't heard that they have mobilized all their units. by the time they do, the war is going to be over.

JUST IN - Putin orders #Russian armed forces to enter rebel territories in eastern Ukraine for "peacekeeping operations."

— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) February 21, 2022

🇺🇦⚡️TROOP MOVEMENT IN UKRAINIAN CAPITAL KIEV.

- Columns reportedly heading to Kharkiv. pic.twitter.com/4Lxigx70pP

— Ukraine War Report (@UkrWarReport) February 21, 2022