redline248 said:
Does Russia even have a navy of sufficient size to protect themselves and extend into Latin America?
This mindset works in a world that doesn't have ICBM's, EMP, cyber warfare and hypersonic missiles. The world we live in is just very different and more dangerous than the world of our founders. While I agree that we shouldn't be smashing 1st Armored into Kyiv to face down an invasion, and I don't think anyone here has called for that, appropriate material, intelligence and other assistance is both warranted and advisable.Jayhawk said:
We have no business being involved in Ukraine.
Russia is metaphysically in the wrong, as they usually are, but we are not omnipotent and should not seek to right wrongs that don't concern us.
The traditional early American republic's foreign policy of avoiding entanglements overseas while carrying a big stick on our side of the world, e.g. Monroe Doctrine, remains as a sound and wise a strategy today as it was 200 years ago.
War is a last resort, we have no vital interest in who rules in Kyiv... for the vast majority of the time since 1776 since the United States has existed, Kyiv has been ruled from Moscow. That is tough luck for Ukrainians but America is a finite republic with its own interests and territory, not the neocon's idea of an open air walmart whose military power can be wielded as a sword in the interests of others.
Cuba exists within the Monroe Doctrine sphere, and if they ever again threaten our safety it would be worthwhile and legitimate use of force to wipe out the Cuban regime and install something more friendly and benign down there, regardless of whether that ends up being a dictatorship or a democracy.
Germany standing by while Russia carves up Eastern Europe sounds like the same nation that terrorized the world.UTExan said:
Meanwhile Germany is sending helmets to Ukraine ILO actual weapons. Germany has become the exact opposite of the nation that terrorized the world.
Psaki: Biden Has No Plans For Using Military To Evacuate U.S. Citizens Out Of Ukraine If Russia Invades https://t.co/64UpP50387
— Thomas Paine (@Thomas1774Paine) January 27, 2022
Good god. What an absolute POS this admin is. What if there are people that need legitimate help to get out?will25u said:
Abandoning our people again.Psaki: Biden Has No Plans For Using Military To Evacuate U.S. Citizens Out Of Ukraine If Russia Invades https://t.co/64UpP50387
— Thomas Paine (@Thomas1774Paine) January 27, 2022
Remember - they are ONLY interested in smuggling non-U.S. citizens into this country.YouBet said:Good god. What an absolute POS this admin is. What if there are people that need legitimate help to get out?will25u said:
Abandoning our people again.Psaki: Biden Has No Plans For Using Military To Evacuate U.S. Citizens Out Of Ukraine If Russia Invades https://t.co/64UpP50387
— Thomas Paine (@Thomas1774Paine) January 27, 2022
What a ****bag traitor.
TriAg2010 said:Germany standing by while Russia carves up Eastern Europe sounds like the same nation that terrorized the world.UTExan said:
Meanwhile Germany is sending helmets to Ukraine ILO actual weapons. Germany has become the exact opposite of the nation that terrorized the world.
To bad they don't allow same thought process for Hungary and Poland.Agthatbuilds said:TriAg2010 said:Germany standing by while Russia carves up Eastern Europe sounds like the same nation that terrorized the world.UTExan said:
Meanwhile Germany is sending helmets to Ukraine ILO actual weapons. Germany has become the exact opposite of the nation that terrorized the world.
In the end, Germany cares about Germany. They don't care about how this effects the EU or other European nations. They don't really care about any real or implied obligations if it effects Germany negatively.
Ha. Which is why the EU's days are numbered.Faustus said:
Some sort of Germany first thing?
No, but he would call China, and give them the green light to invade Taiwan.Martin Cash said:
If Bidet did decide to attack Russian forces, would General Milley call them first to give them a heads up?
Seems that way. Not sure what could be done at this late a date to avoid military conflict and still maintain Ukraine's sovereignty. Options thinning rapidly.cbr said:
russia has over 100k troops in fully operational combat units that are well equipped and trained, and have been planning logistically for a while now. They also have regional combat air superiority i presume. apparently an amphibious force under way, with cruiser/destroyer and sub support too. of course they have a strategic nuke deterrent as well as a hypersonic missile anti naval capabilities, and the ability to deny space and air assets.
the US is not getting in the way of Russia's goals in Ukraine, and if they try anything militarily it will look like the charge of the light brigade.
the navy can't sail assets into the black sea without essentially being a sitting duck.
it would take a significant buildup, that we can't afford, and any real deterrent we have is not credible. we can't afford ww3 or a general first world confrontation, or a nuclear conflict, over Ukraine. Our interests are significant but not critical there.
We lost this battle long ago, so the only choice is not to fight it.
Funny.Martin Cash said:
If Bidet did decide to attack Russian forces, would General Milley call them first to give them a heads up?
Add to the list of things President Trump was right and the Democratic Party leadership was wrong.Sarge 91 said:From 2018:HumpitPuryear said:Yep it's winter and they get their gas from Russia. Trump was right again. Germany will be sitting this one out.P.U.T.U said:
You have to remember German has a contract with Russia for their gas/oil so it is unlikely they will help unless things really get bad.LinkQuote:
"Germany is totally controlled by Russia, cause they are getting 60 to 70 percent of their energy from Russia and a new pipeline."
Faustus said:
Some sort of Germany first thing?
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But despite all this, we knew that the Americans too were intent on attacking France and destroying the unification of Europe under German protection that our leadership had achieved. This is interesting. The phrase 'Fortress Europe' is still widely remembered today, I think, as part of Reich propaganda at the time, but you have reminded me that the phrase 'United Europe' was equally common.
Of course it was. Of course. 'United Europe' was a universal slogan. We should remember that both the Wehrmacht and the Waffen SS had huge recruitment campaigns in all the countries under Reich control, with the emphasis that people from all the countries of Europe should unite under arms and defend European unification. If we look at the Waffen SS, we see these very effective non-German units from all over Europe: the French, the famous Belgian-Walloon people under Leon Degrelle, the Dutch, Norwegians, the Croat Muslims with their 'SS' emblems on their fez hats, and so on and so on. There was a definite sense that Europe was united under the Reich, and an attack on France would be an attack on the whole structure.
President Biden's administration is despicable, unethical and corrupt.will25u said:
Abandoning our people again.Psaki: Biden Has No Plans For Using Military To Evacuate U.S. Citizens Out Of Ukraine If Russia Invades https://t.co/64UpP50387
— Thomas Paine (@Thomas1774Paine) January 27, 2022
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China backs Putin as top diplomat warns US that Russia's security demands 'must be taken seriously' amid fears of war in UkraineBy CHRIS PLEASANCE FOR MAILONLINE and WIRES
- China backed Putin in Ukraine crisis, saying demands must be 'taken seriously'
- Foreign minister Wang Yi urged America to abandon its 'Cold War mentality'
- He delivered the comments during a call with Secretary of State Antony Blinken
- Came after Blinken sent a letter to Moscow, rejecting most of Putin's demands
PUBLISHED: 08:12 EST, 27 January 2022 | UPDATED: 08:21 EST, 27 January 2022
Dear Wang YiWolfCall said:
Who would have thought China would back Putin.....?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10447861/China-warns-Russia-taken-seriously-Ukraine.htmlQuote:
China backs Putin as top diplomat warns US that Russia's security demands 'must be taken seriously' amid fears of war in UkraineBy CHRIS PLEASANCE FOR MAILONLINE and WIRES
- China backed Putin in Ukraine crisis, saying demands must be 'taken seriously'
- Foreign minister Wang Yi urged America to abandon its 'Cold War mentality'
- He delivered the comments during a call with Secretary of State Antony Blinken
- Came after Blinken sent a letter to Moscow, rejecting most of Putin's demands
PUBLISHED: 08:12 EST, 27 January 2022 | UPDATED: 08:21 EST, 27 January 2022
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16:01 News Bot: A US bipartisan group of Senators have reportedly been meeting to create legislation that would dramatically increase presence of US military aid for Ukraine, according to Reuters sources
A senior Ukrainian official says the Biden-Zelensky call ‘did not go well’ and Biden told Zelensky a Russian invasion is virtually certain warning the country should prepare for impact @mchancecnn reports pic.twitter.com/SzBxdRBSHc
— The Lead CNN (@TheLeadCNN) January 27, 2022
—>> WH on Biden-Zelensky call: “Anonymous sources are “leaking” falsehoods. President Biden said that there is a distinct possibility that the Russians could invade Ukraine in February. He has said this publicly and we have been warning about this for months…” 1/
— Jim Sciutto (@jimsciutto) January 27, 2022
It was Jake Tapper and it had video, I'm sure someone probably grabbed it.redline248 said:
So, ol' boy deleted that first tweet?
WATCH: Ukrainian President Zelensky says regarding the Russian threat and call with Biden yesterday, “I’m the president of Ukraine and I’m based here and I think I know the details better here.”pic.twitter.com/cnFxbt6u5c
— Election Wizard 🇺🇸 (@ElectionWiz) January 28, 2022
— Bruno Maçães (@MacaesBruno) January 28, 2022
NOW - U.S. General Mark Milley urges Russia "to stand down," says "the military capability of NATO is very, very significant." pic.twitter.com/pHxL49CNwl
— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) January 28, 2022
AUSTIN: The President does not intend to put troops in Ukraine for combat purposes
— Release The Poso (@JackPosobiec) January 28, 2022
Milley is just making theater for politics to try and make out like Biden is a real threat. NATO being significant is a joke because without 100% consent from all members nothing will happen and Putin knows that. Germany will not give consent because Putin has them by the short hairs because of their dependency on his energy sector. If he cuts them off they go into the ice age. Merkel set up Germany for failure and Biden is a lame duck.will25u said:NOW - U.S. General Mark Milley urges Russia "to stand down," says "the military capability of NATO is very, very significant." pic.twitter.com/pHxL49CNwl
— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) January 28, 2022AUSTIN: The President does not intend to put troops in Ukraine for combat purposes
— Release The Poso (@JackPosobiec) January 28, 2022
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Russia's military buildup near Ukraine has expanded to include supplies of blood along with other medical materials that would allow it to treat casualties, in yet another key indicator of Moscow's military readiness, three U.S. officials tell Reuters.
Current and former U.S. officials say concrete indicators -- like blood supplies -- are critical in determining whether Moscow would be prepared to carry out an invasion, if Russian President Vladimir Putin decided to do so.
