***** OFFICIAL Russia v. Ukraine *****

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will25u said:



That aged……… about as well as Joe…..
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will25u said:


Wut.
JayHowdy!
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YouBet said:

will25u said:


Wut.


They were dance partners.
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JayHowdy! said:

YouBet said:

will25u said:


Wut.


They were dance partners.
I regret I only have one star to give.
Whirligigs
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That Twitter picture of him looks similar to smiling communist dictators in Southeast Asia or North Korea.
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Whirligigs said:

That Twitter picture of him looks similar to smiling communist dictators in Southeast Asia or North Korea.
Or Jim Jones.
Or David Koresh.
Or Marshall Applewhite.

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will25u said:


LOL, if Trump was President he would not only fly to the Ukraine in AF1 but he'd also do a flyby of the Russian border and personally shoot the finger to Putin.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Ben Franklin
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will25u said:


Will someone tell this dumbass that Putin isn't the same as Cornpop.
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What's the Over/Under and ML on this game?

Wait
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Tony Franklins Other Shoe said:

Whirligigs said:

That Twitter picture of him looks similar to smiling communist dictators in Southeast Asia or North Korea.
Or Jim Jones.
Or David Koresh.
Or Marshall Applewhite.




Is that the dude who convinced his cult that they had to cut off their nuts and wear Nike warmups as they waited for the alien ship that was flying behind Haley's Comet?

Seems very similar to liberal big gov worshippers.
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Hale bop*
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60113233

Russia to conduct live fire exercises off of Ireland.
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Breaking!

8500 US troops on Emergency standby!!
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I wonder how many subs both Russia and the US have near each others' borders and following one another around
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The Fall Guy said:

Breaking!

8500 US troops on Emergency standby!!
A fully functional air base in Afghanistan would be looking damn good right about now.

It's farther than Germany, but a 2nd major asset in the region would be advantageous.
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Kenneth_2003 said:

The Fall Guy said:

Breaking!

8500 US troops on Emergency standby!!
A fully functional air base in Afghanistan would be looking damn good right about now.


Yep. Clown show
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Kenneth_2003 said:

The Fall Guy said:

Breaking!

8500 US troops on Emergency standby!!
A fully functional air base in Afghanistan would be looking damn good right about now.

It's farther than Germany, but a 2nd major asset in the region would be advantageous.
That's what Xi said.
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russia has over 100k troops in fully operational combat units that are well equipped and trained, and have been planning logistically for a while now. They also have regional combat air superiority i presume. apparently an amphibious force under way, with cruiser/destroyer and sub support too. of course they have a strategic nuke deterrent as well as a hypersonic missile anti naval capabilities, and the ability to deny space and air assets.

the US is not getting in the way of Russia's goals in Ukraine, and if they try anything militarily it will look like the charge of the light brigade.

the navy can't sail assets into the black sea without essentially being a sitting duck.

it would take a significant buildup, that we can't afford, and any real deterrent we have is not credible. we can't afford ww3 or a general first world confrontation, or a nuclear conflict, over Ukraine. Our interests are significant but not critical there.

We lost this battle long ago, so the only choice is not to fight it.

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will25u said:


Should just send in a black op us team (not that bay of pigs mess) to take out the gov and dip
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will25u said:


wow he really is wanting to get the old band back together.
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We have no business being involved in Ukraine.

Russia is metaphysically in the wrong, as they usually are, but we are not omnipotent and should not seek to right wrongs that don't concern us.

The traditional early American republic's foreign policy of avoiding entanglements overseas while carrying a big stick on our side of the world, e.g. Monroe Doctrine, remains as a sound and wise a strategy today as it was 200 years ago.

War is a last resort, we have no vital interest in who rules in Kyiv... for the vast majority of the time since 1776 since the United States has existed, Kyiv has been ruled from Moscow. That is tough luck for Ukrainians but America is a finite republic with its own interests and territory, not the neocon's idea of an open air walmart whose military power can be wielded as a sword in the interests of others.

Cuba exists within the Monroe Doctrine sphere, and if they ever again threaten our safety it would be worthwhile and legitimate use of force to wipe out the Cuban regime and install something more friendly and benign down there, regardless of whether that ends up being a dictatorship or a democracy.
Whirligigs
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'What to do about Russia' - a centuries old question and problem throughout European history.
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Jayhawk said:

We have no business being involved in Ukraine.

Russia is metaphysically in the wrong, as they usually are, but we are not omnipotent and should not seek to right wrongs that don't concern us.

The traditional early American republic's foreign policy of avoiding entanglements overseas while carrying a big stick on our side of the world, e.g. Monroe Doctrine, remains as a sound and wise a strategy today as it was 200 years ago.

War is a last resort, we have no vital interest in who rules in Kyiv... for the vast majority of the time since 1776 since the United States has existed, Kyiv has been ruled from Moscow. That is tough luck for Ukrainians but America is a finite republic with its own interests and territory, not the neocon's idea of an open air walmart whose military power can be wielded as a sword in the interests of others.

Cuba exists within the Monroe Doctrine sphere, and if they ever again threaten our safety it would be worthwhile and legitimate use of force to wipe out the Cuban regime and install something more friendly and benign down there, regardless of whether that ends up being a dictatorship or a democracy.


Yes and no, applying centuries old tactics to a doctrine in a day and age of free flow instant communication and global e-commerce is a no go.

Ukraine is trying to break into the EU / NATO, economical it's in our best interest and Europes to allow that to happen rather than keep them under Russias thumb.
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HumpitPuryear said:

P.U.T.U said:

You have to remember German has a contract with Russia for their gas/oil so it is unlikely they will help unless things really get bad.
Yep it's winter and they get their gas from Russia. Trump was right again. Germany will be sitting this one out.
From 2018:

Quote:

"Germany is totally controlled by Russia, cause they are getting 60 to 70 percent of their energy from Russia and a new pipeline."
Link
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Agvet12 said:

Jayhawk said:

We have no business being involved in Ukraine.

Russia is metaphysically in the wrong, as they usually are, but we are not omnipotent and should not seek to right wrongs that don't concern us.

The traditional early American republic's foreign policy of avoiding entanglements overseas while carrying a big stick on our side of the world, e.g. Monroe Doctrine, remains as a sound and wise a strategy today as it was 200 years ago.

War is a last resort, we have no vital interest in who rules in Kyiv... for the vast majority of the time since 1776 since the United States has existed, Kyiv has been ruled from Moscow. That is tough luck for Ukrainians but America is a finite republic with its own interests and territory, not the neocon's idea of an open air walmart whose military power can be wielded as a sword in the interests of others.

Cuba exists within the Monroe Doctrine sphere, and if they ever again threaten our safety it would be worthwhile and legitimate use of force to wipe out the Cuban regime and install something more friendly and benign down there, regardless of whether that ends up being a dictatorship or a democracy.


Yes and no, applying centuries old tactics to a doctrine in a day and age of free flow instant communication and global e-commerce is a no go.

Ukraine is trying to break into the EU / NATO, economical it's in our best interest and Europes to allow that to happen rather than keep them under Russias thumb.
Their GDP is about $150b....they represent a rounding error on European GDP ($22T.)
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japantiger said:

Agvet12 said:

Jayhawk said:

We have no business being involved in Ukraine.

Russia is metaphysically in the wrong, as they usually are, but we are not omnipotent and should not seek to right wrongs that don't concern us.

The traditional early American republic's foreign policy of avoiding entanglements overseas while carrying a big stick on our side of the world, e.g. Monroe Doctrine, remains as a sound and wise a strategy today as it was 200 years ago.

War is a last resort, we have no vital interest in who rules in Kyiv... for the vast majority of the time since 1776 since the United States has existed, Kyiv has been ruled from Moscow. That is tough luck for Ukrainians but America is a finite republic with its own interests and territory, not the neocon's idea of an open air walmart whose military power can be wielded as a sword in the interests of others.

Cuba exists within the Monroe Doctrine sphere, and if they ever again threaten our safety it would be worthwhile and legitimate use of force to wipe out the Cuban regime and install something more friendly and benign down there, regardless of whether that ends up being a dictatorship or a democracy.


Yes and no, applying centuries old tactics to a doctrine in a day and age of free flow instant communication and global e-commerce is a no go.

Ukraine is trying to break into the EU / NATO, economical it's in our best interest and Europes to allow that to happen rather than keep them under Russias thumb.
Their GDP is about $150b....they represent a rounding error on European GDP ($22T.)


Yet they're another massive NatGas producer…. Which should rival and be Europes first choice
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Agvet12 said:

Jayhawk said:

We have no business being involved in Ukraine.

Russia is metaphysically in the wrong, as they usually are, but we are not omnipotent and should not seek to right wrongs that don't concern us.

The traditional early American republic's foreign policy of avoiding entanglements overseas while carrying a big stick on our side of the world, e.g. Monroe Doctrine, remains as a sound and wise a strategy today as it was 200 years ago.

War is a last resort, we have no vital interest in who rules in Kyiv... for the vast majority of the time since 1776 since the United States has existed, Kyiv has been ruled from Moscow. That is tough luck for Ukrainians but America is a finite republic with its own interests and territory, not the neocon's idea of an open air walmart whose military power can be wielded as a sword in the interests of others.

Cuba exists within the Monroe Doctrine sphere, and if they ever again threaten our safety it would be worthwhile and legitimate use of force to wipe out the Cuban regime and install something more friendly and benign down there, regardless of whether that ends up being a dictatorship or a democracy.


Yes and no, applying centuries old tactics to a doctrine in a day and age of free flow instant communication and global e-commerce is a no go.

Ukraine is trying to break into the EU / NATO, economical it's in our best interest and Europes to allow that to happen rather than keep them under Russias thumb.
Why are we better off with the Ukraine being part of NATO? I don't see the value, what does Ukraine have to offer? They seem like a security problem more than anything. Not to mention the fact that NATO has likely already outlived its usefulness. The cold war is over and it's time for our foreign policy to reflect that.
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The purpose of NATO was to deter Soviet aggression. Of course the Soviet Union no longer exists but the Russians want their resource rich regions back amidst a global economy that is falling apart. The western nations are fractioned and it appears some completely rely on the Russians for energy.

At the end of the day when economies fall apart you need access to energy and food. The Russians are screwed economically as is the Chinese (probably us too)

It takes time for the United States to mobilize for foreign wars and like somebody mentioned earlier, this battle is already lost.

I hope this is nothing more than saber rattling. We shall see. But I have zero confidence in this administration nor do I even have confidence our citizens even have a general desire to fight a conventional war in Europe - half this population hates our country and the ones who love the idea of America are being regulated as second class citizens by the left and media.

Enjoy!
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Agvet12 said:

japantiger said:

Agvet12 said:

Jayhawk said:

We have no business being involved in Ukraine.

Russia is metaphysically in the wrong, as they usually are, but we are not omnipotent and should not seek to right wrongs that don't concern us.

The traditional early American republic's foreign policy of avoiding entanglements overseas while carrying a big stick on our side of the world, e.g. Monroe Doctrine, remains as a sound and wise a strategy today as it was 200 years ago.

War is a last resort, we have no vital interest in who rules in Kyiv... for the vast majority of the time since 1776 since the United States has existed, Kyiv has been ruled from Moscow. That is tough luck for Ukrainians but America is a finite republic with its own interests and territory, not the neocon's idea of an open air walmart whose military power can be wielded as a sword in the interests of others.

Cuba exists within the Monroe Doctrine sphere, and if they ever again threaten our safety it would be worthwhile and legitimate use of force to wipe out the Cuban regime and install something more friendly and benign down there, regardless of whether that ends up being a dictatorship or a democracy.


Yes and no, applying centuries old tactics to a doctrine in a day and age of free flow instant communication and global e-commerce is a no go.

Ukraine is trying to break into the EU / NATO, economical it's in our best interest and Europes to allow that to happen rather than keep them under Russias thumb.
Their GDP is about $150b....they represent a rounding error on European GDP ($22T.)


Yet they're another massive NatGas producer…. Which should rival and be Europes first choice
But Europe has not made anything to do with the Ukraine a priority. Not important for us either. Not worth a single US life. Maybe Biden can get some of our gear back from the Taliban and ship it there.
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MarathonAg12
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These threats are Cold War AF
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Does Russia even have a navy of sufficient size to protect themselves and extend into Latin America?
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