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While we may like Clay now, he's made of soft clay and possesses no convictions. He voted for Obama……twice. He's dangerous to the future of conservatism, and Rush's team made a long term mistake for short term gain.

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Biblically iron and clay don't mix.

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I'm no blacksmithing historian but I'd bet clay molds were used to form a lot of iron weapons back then.

And porcelain does a pretty good job honing a blade.

Really sounds like a winning strategy to see who is the most conservative. This whole thing sounds like Libertarians arguing how we shouldn't have highways. We have the momentum. Don't ruin it with infighting.

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Really sounds like a winning strategy to see who is the most conservative. This whole thing sounds like Libertarians arguing how we shouldn't have highways. We have the momentum. Don't ruin it with infighting.

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THIS.

Remember that funny Rocky style cartoon that had the Libertarian getting madder in each frame until finally he was denouncing other Libertarians?

Don't want to fall into that. I don't think Clay is on a Meghan path is he?

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So people can't evolve in their views? Good to know

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They can and they should, but you can not vote for barack and then replace an icon like Rush Limbaugh.

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So people can't evolve in their views? Good to know

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They can and they should, but you can not vote for barack and then replace an icon like Rush Limbaugh.

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But you can vote for Hillary and become a republican president?

Weeks of not doing a live is an slight exaggeration. He was out 7 days total. All 5 last week as well Monday and Tuesday this week. Not what to think about him starting to fight the mandate a week after people got fired. Felt more like a publicity stunt to me more than trying to get out of his contract

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If corporate execs told Clay Travis that his audience loves to use 100 different pronouns and supports CRT, then the next day you'd hear him singing CRTs praises while asking all his guests what they'd prefer to be called.

Dude's only objective is to get more money and more power. He'll do anything and say anything to get it. Right now, he's figured the best way to do that is to have opinions that I agree with. Tomorrow always could be a different story.

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This story doesn't jive with the last 2 years of him on the radio. I really doubt corporate executives were telling him to stop talking near as much sports on Outkick the Coverage and instead daily blast woke idiots in the sports world. He took a huge chance with it (could have easily been fired)- I doubt that comes from a place that lacks conviction.

Voting for Hillary in a primary election to drag out the enemy fist fight amongst themselves was fun. Yes I did this, but how you would know that is impressive.

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Voting for Hillary in a primary election to drag out the enemy fist fight amongst themselves was fun. Yes I did this, but how you would know that is impressive.

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I was referring to Trump.

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If corporate execs told Clay Travis that his audience loves to use 100 different pronouns and supports CRT, then the next day you'd hear him singing CRTs praises while asking all his guests what they'd prefer to be called.

Dude's only objective is to get more money and more power. He'll do anything and say anything to get it. Right now, he's figured the best way to do that is to have opinions that I agree with. Tomorrow always could be a different story.

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I'm curious as to how and why you formed this opinion. Clay has not had popular positions and has lost significant market share from Twitter/Facebook policing.

I've liked Clay because he has had rational, reasonable arguments behind every position he has. He was that way with sports. I don't think he sought this position when he found himself what was effectively a right wing sports host simply because the left went off the deep end. Maybe I'm naive, but I just haven't seen it and I've been following the guy for well over a decade now.

Ahh, I guess that is similar if true, but to get Rush's spot, I'd expect someone who has paid their dues a bit more. I like the show, but that was before I knew he voted for barack. Going to hear it differently now.

Clay is never angry. Always lighthearted. So too with Buck. Clay loves sports just like Rush did. IMO they are the guys with the most affinity to rush.

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Bonfire1996 said:

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While we may like Clay now, he's made of soft clay and possesses no convictions. He voted for Obama……twice. He's dangerous to the future of conservatism, and Rush's team made a long term mistake for short term gain.

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Biblically iron and clay don't mix.

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So people can't evolve in their views? Good to know

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I didn't like Trump in 2016 and thought he was a dem mole due to his voting history, but held my nose because killary was on the other side. I stayed cautious on him until he absolutely wrecked shop for the conservative agenda. Now I'm a huge Trump fan.

If Clay can prove out he has learned his lesson with more than just words, then I'll consider trusting him.

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to get Rush's spot, I'd expect someone who has paid their dues a bit more

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Are Bob Dole or John McCain or any of their descendants available to fill Rush's spot?

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to get Rush's spot, I'd expect someone who has paid their dues a bit more

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Are Bob Dole or John McCain or any of their descendants available to fill Rush's spot?

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Meghan McCain can fill out his belt.

Rush is the GOAT and don't use that term bc kids throw it around describing the best goalie in their soccer leave but Rush can't be replaced. RIP

Voting TWICE for Obama disqualifies you as a conservative talk show host unless there has been a brain transplant.

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While we may like Clay now, he's made of soft clay and possesses no convictions. He voted for Obama……twice. He's dangerous to the future of conservatism, and Rush's team made a long term mistake for short term gain.

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Biblically iron and clay don't mix.

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So people can't evolve in their views? Good to know

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Exactly. Reagan was a Democrat.

And it's ridiculous Bongino is trying to pin the woke/rona' crazy with Clay. Dude has been from day 1 on SPORTS talk radio (which was taking a far bigger chance on his content than Bongino ever has) railing against these crazy policies being pushed.

This whole thing is bs. All this simply because Clay is more talented radio host and winning in the marketplace by getting affiliates back to EIB. Not that it matters (bc it's a personal decision), but Clay has also said he hasn't got the shot.

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Give me an example of any of Reagan's conservative VIEWS that changed. He changed parties because the party itself changed, not his views.

You can't seriously suggest that voting for Obama twice and Reagan changing parties are even in the same universe, much less comparable. Yes, people's views change and yes, its good when they do so for the better. But the criticism above about voting for Obama twice (flawed judgment and all) is very valid and needs to be better explained for for sure not ignored. It certainly can't be laughed off with a ridiculous so-called comparison to Reagan.

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Clay has been constantly anti-vax mandate citing his own natural immunity in the process while also saying heck no to a vax mandate for kids including his own. What am I missing?

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Exactly. Even went to his children's school board meeting to speak out against mask mandates.

Was he a liberal? Maybe. But he is not now.

We need to embrace people who get red pilled. It's a great thing!

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100% this. He used to be liberal. He, like millions of others, have switched sides since libs started really showing their true colors. It's not a schtick or a promotion tactic. It's very easy to see why a reasonable person would have been red-pilled over the last 2 years.

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While we may like Clay now, he's made of soft clay and possesses no convictions. He voted for Obama……twice. He's dangerous to the future of conservatism, and Rush's team made a long term mistake for short term gain.

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Biblically iron and clay don't mix.

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So people can't evolve in their views? Good to know

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Exactly. Reagan was a Democrat.

And it's ridiculous Bongino is trying to pin the woke/rona' crazy with Clay. Dude has been from day 1 on SPORTS talk radio (which was taking a far bigger chance on his content than Bongino ever has) railing against these crazy policies being pushed.

This whole thing is bs. All this simply because Clay is more talented radio host and winning in the marketplace by getting affiliates back to EIB. Not that it matters (bc it's a personal decision), but Clay has also said he hasn't got the shot.

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Give me an example of any of Reagan's conservative VIEWS that changed. He changed parties because the party itself changed, not his views.

You can't seriously suggest that voting for Obama twice and Reagan changing parties are even in the same universe, much less comparable. Yes, people's views change and yes, its good when they do so for the better. But the criticism above about voting for Obama twice (flawed judgment and all) is very valid and needs to be better explained for for sure not ignored. It certainly can't be laughed off with a ridiculous so-called comparison to Reagan.

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The Democrat party now is far crazier that it was even 3-4 years ago.

The point is people can evolve in their views and land a new destination. Again, Clay was blasting his viewpoint out there on a sports talk show. Also, took the time to write a book about it a couple years ago. Highly unlikely it's not authentic or going to change quickly again.

If you want to put money on Clay pulling a 180 or even 90 degree change in his current views- good luck... I highly doubt it.. And his show is entertaining- more so than Dan (listened to him today too)... so I'm in...

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I get that people are skeptical of Clay because he's a young conservative that's just embraced the movement in the past few years. But until he "reverts" back to the left again, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that his views have changed since the second term of Obama. There are many like him.

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This is also true. Another thing that should count is did he vote for Trump in '16? That would effectively cancel 2012.

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I like Bongino, Clay is my leader and extremely anti-vax mandate, and he voted for Gary Johnson in 2016 (idiotic).

Ah, but that is not as damning as voting for Obama III. So that is a difference. As others said, you have to allow so called red-pilled ones fleeing Leftism their chance.