Tamu report out

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Basically, reorganize the leadership chain....


There is a give your own thoughts section thoigh
Prexys Moon
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big giant waste of money. All the usual about "recruit unrepresented populations and look more like the state of Texas " blah blah blah.

Typical academia. spend tons on a "study" that just tells them to rearrange the deck chairs.




Problem is, Michael Young was such an idiot leftist, that all Banks has to do is just show up and she will seem like a principled conservative.
akm91
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Not surprised at the call for reorg and centralize shared services functions, which makes a lot of sense from a ROI perspective.
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FriscoKid
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Why not just fire the devil worshiper? Problem solved.
aginresearch
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Sounds great until you realize that almost all the cost savings on shared services has already been wrung out of operations (at least in the IT area of which I am familiar). The real problems are understaffing and lack of competitive compensation with industry but that doesn't save you money.

The threat, if this report is followed, is that TAMU will have a massive departure of institutional knowledge which will make operations exceedingly more inefficient and costly in the short to medium term.
Funky Winkerbean
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Diversity could be achieved quicker if they would just stop allowing white folk in.
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MGT Consulting and Martin+Crumpton Group (M+CG) were hired by the Texas A&M University System in June 2021 to conduct a high-level, comprehensive review of major functional areas at Texas A&M University. This review focused on the organizational structure of central offices at the executive level and administrative units at the college level. The consultant team was charged with conducting interviews with a wide range of individuals in leadership positions, including faculty senate leadership, as well as providing the opportunity for input through surveys of faculty, staff, students, and former students. The consultant team was asked to identify changes that would restructure Texas A&M University in a significant way to increase effectiveness and transparency and to contribute to overall student success.
Sounds like Martin+Crumpton made some good coin for a report that might not mean anything.
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akm91
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aginresearch said:

The threat, if this report is followed, is that TAMU will have a massive departure of institutional knowledge which will make operations exceedingly more inefficient and costly in the short to medium term.
Not sure how much overlap there is in IT services across departments/colleges and how feasible it would be to centralize some of those functions.

Any reorg is going to have departure of institutional knowlege unfortunately. Been there, done that and got the damn tshirts.
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Lots of what I expected










The story isn't that [DeSantis] "couldn't win" the primary. The story is that an overwhelming majority of our population is heinously stupid. 50% of them vote for communists. 75% of the remaining 50% vote for Trump, who cant win. When the majority of the opposition party insists on voting for an opposition candidate who can't win, you get exactly the government you deserve. - Well Endowed Ag
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Mr. AGSPRT04 said:

Lots of what I expected













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Large portions of the interview and survey audiences were conflicted about the university's culture
and diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) efforts. Some survey respondents believe the DEI efforts are
ineffective, resulting in an inability to recruit underrepresented student, faculty, and staff populations.
Others have questions about the effectiveness of resources invested in DEI that could be used to invest
broadly in education-focused endeavors for the entire student population.

Address diversity and champion a way forward by changing the dialogue and developing a
narrative that ties into the land-grant mission. Recent investments in DEI can serve as a start.
Standardize the IT function and systems


They are going to do more dei.
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right out of the gate, the differences between the private sector and government

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The consultant team consistently found the university's operational structure is decentralized, resulting in ineffective use of talent and resources.
In the private sector, having a decentralized structure allows for agile and quick decision-making. Who do you want to decide how to fix your mis-shipped product? The person that is on the phone with you that can decide how to fix the problem here and now, or them running it up a chain of command to some corporate person that takes 5 days to tell the customer service rep that the product was shipped properly let USPS handle it?

In a decentralized system, people are empowered to make quick decisions and be responsive. In a government bureaucracy, there is nothing but delays while information is run up the flag pole to a bean counter that has no idea what is actually going on and their answer is always the cheapest short-term solution with no concern for the long term customer relationship.

A decentralized system GROWS your talent pool, in a centralized system only the executives are allowed to make decisions and everyone else is an NPC.
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Funky Winkerbean said:

Diversity could be achieved quicker if they would just stop allowing white folk in.


That's basically what they're doing in Austin.
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I commented on the other thread that centralizing these operations has been a total torpedo to my current organization. The loss of expertise/institutional knowledge from departments, loss of morale, and terrifyingly bad communications is dealing a heavy blow to our organization. It looks good financially but is horrible for institutions.
P.H. Dexippus
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Yep. There's a section on how the administration needs to enforce stronger influence on the programming of all student organizations and specifically fish camp to make sure they don't wander off message.
The story isn't that [DeSantis] "couldn't win" the primary. The story is that an overwhelming majority of our population is heinously stupid. 50% of them vote for communists. 75% of the remaining 50% vote for Trump, who cant win. When the majority of the opposition party insists on voting for an opposition candidate who can't win, you get exactly the government you deserve. - Well Endowed Ag
Ags4DaWin
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Reading it seems like the majority of former students are unhappy with the current direction of the university.

most students (surprise surprise- they were recruited specifically to change the demographics and culture of the university) believe its headed in the right direction.

The report seems to gloss over this disparity in a glaring way.

Its lost boys.

These guys provided the report they were paid to produce so the culture shift can continue.
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They called Fish Camp out right away.

Interesting.
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Ags4DaWin said:

Reading it seems like the majority of former students are unhappy with the current direction of the university.

most students (surprise surprise- they were recruited specifically to change the demographics and culture of the university) believe its headed in the right direction.

The report seems to gloss over this disparity in a glaring way.

Its lost boys.

These guys provided the report they were paid to produce so the culture shift can continue.


That's how I read it to.

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Large portions of the interview and survey audiences were conflicted about the university's culture
and diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) efforts. Some survey respondents believe the DEI efforts are
ineffective, resulting in an inability to recruit underrepresented student, faculty, and staff populations.
Others have questions about the effectiveness of resources invested in DEI that could be used to invest broadly in education-focused endeavors for the entire student population.


They go on to report that dei efforts need to be consolidated to be more effective and never again address the "others" concerns.
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Buck Turgidson said:

Funky Winkerbean said:

Diversity could be achieved quicker if they would just stop allowing white folk in.


That's basically what they're doing in Austin.
Unless they are gay. Then in like flint.
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fightingfarmer09 said:

They called Fish Camp out right away.

Interesting.


As a former fish camp counselor, it is extremely interesting. Fish camp is a leftist cesspool. How far does this group want fc to go?



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fightingfarmer09 said:

They called Fish Camp out right away.

Interesting.


They want the administration to control another student tradition. What is shocking to me is the insinuation that student affairs doesn't control the experience already.
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Eso si, Que es said:

right out of the gate, the differences between the private sector and government

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The consultant team consistently found the university's operational structure is decentralized, resulting in ineffective use of talent and resources.
In the private sector, having a decentralized structure allows for agile and quick decision-making. Who do you want to decide how to fix your mis-shipped product? The person that is on the phone with you that can decide how to fix the problem here and now, or them running it up a chain of command to some corporate person that takes 5 days to tell the customer service rep that the product was shipped properly let USPS handle it?

In a decentralized system, people are empowered to make quick decisions and be responsive. In a government bureaucracy, there is nothing but delays while information is run up the flag pole to a bean counter that has no idea what is actually going on and their answer is always the cheapest short-term solution with no concern for the long term customer relationship.

A decentralized system GROWS your talent pool, in a centralized system only the executives are allowed to make decisions and everyone else is an NPC.
I have been in IT for decades and it always swings back the other direction. Centralized/Decentralized has been a discussion for over 30 years.

The end result is the people are what makes an organization run. How they are organized has minimal impact to overall efficiency if you have the wrong people.

Bureaucracy however, will always slow things down the larger it gets.
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Bird Poo
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I cannot understand why fish camp is even in this report. Isn't it a student run organization?

How has FC negatively impacted the University?

aggie93
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Biggest thing I dislike is so many things are just talking about problems that could be answered by someone on either side.

For instance lots of stuff about DEI and effectiveness or lack of effectiveness but what does that mean? Does that mean I am an SJW and I don't think it is effective or I think all of it is crap and so I don't think it is effective? Or I do think it is effective and we need more vs I do think it is effective so we don't need to do any more.

Do you think A&M spends too much time, money, and effort on diversity initiatives or too little?

Do you think A&M should stop talking about anyone in our history that has any potential connection to what we now consider racism?

Should fish camp counselors spend their time talking about what pronouns they prefer and how to go to the LBGTQ offices or should they talk about A&M traditions?

Come out and say what you mean damnit. The way this is set up is to get vague answers so a bureaucrat can become an autocrat and use the survey as their defense regardless of the answers. Pisses me off.

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These are "feel good" reports with the preconceived narrative needed to showcase the predetermined outcome.
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PearlJammin said:

I cannot understand why fish camp is even in this report. Isn't it a student run organization?

How has FC negatively impacted the University?




Probably wasn't a LGBTQIA specific yell at camp. The researcher must have missed the point that every fish camp yell checks that box.
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The end result is the people are what makes an organization run. How they are organized has minimal impact to overall efficiency if you have the wrong people.
I'm reading it more as both organizational and also technology consolidation. If you're still running mission critical applications on outdated technology then no matter how great the people are, you're not going to be efficient.

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Let me try to interpret for those that are not familiar with corporate bullshiitise, the language that this report was written in.

I will start with the loudest message, at the end of the reports high-level findings, which is the clearest and loudest. Every other recommendation is a way to enact this one.

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Large portions of the interview and survey audiences were conflicted about the university's culture and diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) efforts. Some survey respondents believe the DEI efforts are ineffective, resulting in an inability to recruit underrepresented student, faculty, and staff populations. Others have questions about the effectiveness of resources invested in DEI that could be used to invest broadly in education-focused endeavors for the entire student population. High-level recommendations:

Invest in recruitment efforts by creating an Office of Undergraduate Recruitment. The office should be overseen by the new Academic and Strategic Collaborations unit, which will work to increase engagement with both the local community and Texas at large. Clear success metrics must be defined and reported regularly.

Ensure Student Affairs focuses on its critical role in the development of the whole student. Students who participate in Student Affairs programs and services should expect to become well-trained leaders, understand the value of being accountable to the larger campus community, and uphold the Aggie Core Values.
Message: we have told you before, DEI is the new way of the future. You didn't listen. Now, we are about to bring the hammer.

1) The Academic and Strategic Collaborations unit will screen every applicant for job postings to make sure that they are compliant with our DEI policies. You WILL NOT hire another teacher or professor without their seal of approval. Dissent from the office of the president will not be tolerated.

2) You WILL meet our DEI quotas. Unsatisfactory performance on these quotas will be reported directly to Emperor Sharp.

3) Student leadership positions WILL be held by DEI favored students. Students WILL be indoctrinated with the importance of DEI. The Aggie Core Value WILL include DEI as the most important things to Aggie Honor. Emperor Sharp has said so. It must be done.

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The consultant team consistently found the university's operational structure is decentralized, resulting in ineffective use of talent and resources.
We need to get rid of a lot of middle-management administrators. Also, the central office of the University needs more power. Why? Oh, you know why.
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Strengthen the effectiveness and consistency of the overall operational structure by expanding the role of the President's office.
The President's office is about to transfer a lot of favored administrators out of college budgets and into the presidents office. Also, historic bastions of power, like, for example, the Office of Research, are about to lose a lot of decision making authority. How much depends totally on you, Mr. / Mrs. / Xhe Dean.
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Centralize the Information Technology, Human Resources and Organizational Effectiveness, Facilities, Marketing and Communications, and Finance units across the university to increase effectiveness and clarify responsibilities.
College deans are about to lose a lot of power when it comes to decisions about IT, HR, staffing hierarchy, major lab equipment purchases, building hours, raising money for buildings, and independent budgeting. All your base are belong to us. Don't piss us off.
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Inconsistent transparency and a lack of strong operational analytics and performance metrics across units, colleges, and campuses creates operational inefficiencies as well as unclear responsibility and accountability necessary for operational success.

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Gather data on day-to-day operations of operational units and implement a system of continuous improvement build on performance analytics to understand where misalignment or ineffective use of resources exists.
The office of the President is about to start looking over the shoulder of college deans much more rigorously. The head of performance management in the Office of the President is about to become one of the most powerful positions on campus, from a political perspective. We don't like some of you. You WILL give us more ammo to help get rid of you if we want to. You will assist us with this.
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Centralize the Division of Marketing and Communications to ensure effective and consistent branding and communication efforts take place across all operational and academic units.
Hey, faculty. Get the hell off of Twitter. [Ok, this one kind of makes a lot of sense.]
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Invest in staff development and succession planning to allow leadership to continue improving campus operations.
Tenure / schmenure. Faculty is getting too comfortable and feudalistic. Favored new blood is about to get more power. We are looking for a certain kind of new blood. DEI is an important part of that.
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Increase the university's direct support of the faculty by creating a Faculty Affairs unit that reports directly to the President and will focus exclusively on faculty issues.
You don't like our new DEI focus. Pobrecita. Extranas a tu mami mucho? Our university will receive direct support of DEI. If you don't like it tell Faculty Affairs.

Also, Anthropology department. Sit down and STFU. If you have a problem, contact the head of Faculty Affairs.

Faculty Affairs will be staffed with Top Men. Any problems with DEI will be routed to the Academic and Strategic Collaborations unit of the Office of the President. For all other problems, we will have Top Men in Faculty Affairs look directly into it.
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The academic foundation of the campus could be developed around four large units: AgriLife, Engineering, Arts and Sciences, and Texas A&M Health, with strong connections to other applied academic units.
I am about to force upon you the role of Super Dean, who will be made up of four of my close allies and wield unprecedented power. All important decisions regarding anything will be made by this office, as directed to the Super Deans. However, all of the fallout from decisions will be the fault of the faculty.

All of the decisions of this office that are going to be unpopular with faculty or donors will be the fault of the faculty, thanks to the decision of the Super Deans, which are heads of the faculty. However, the Super Deans will be told exactly what to do by the President's office. It's the best of all worlds.

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Refocus the provost unit on academic services and student success to further the university's academic mission.
All of the research grant money, and University / Corporate partnerships will be handled by the Office of the President. Provost is about students, not research, or anything else that has to do with bringing money into the University. All of the issues that have any political pull at all will be handled by the Office of the President.
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Rebalance the university's investment to ensure that the four large academic units mentioned above correspond in terms of support and there is appropriate investment in targeted academic units of strategic interest.
Hey colleges, you will all quietly support our diversity campaigns, or you will be nixed from getting any money. Also, Anthropology, sit down and STFU.
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Realign several academic units to allow for focus on mission, increase student success, and better meet student needs.
Hey deans! Some of you are getting the ax. Get your CV's in order. You know who you are.

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This is a giant FU to all of the fiefdoms within the University. There is going to be a giant power cram-down. It might actually create some efficiencies, but, I guarantee you, that is not the primary motivation here. This University is likely to get a lot of money from some of the good research that has happened here in O&G, genetics, bio-pharma. It would be a waste to let all of that new found political power to be wasted at the college level.

Also, BTW, we are not woke enough. Get on board, or get your budget slashed, and ultimately get replaced.
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All this handwringing over "DEI," and yet, no one can identify any systemic oppression at TAMU. Not even one incident.

It's like focusing the survey on smallpox prevention. What are we doing to fight smallpox at tamu? Is it enough? We have an entire department devoted to smallpox awareness, etc etc.

Smallpox used to be a big problem. Now it's not. Same with racial discrimination at TAMU.

If we had it, you'd know it. Because there would be examples to discuss.
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akm91 said:

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The end result is the people are what makes an organization run. How they are organized has minimal impact to overall efficiency if you have the wrong people.
I'm reading it more as both organizational and also technology consolidation. If you're still running mission critical applications on outdated technology then no matter how great the people are, you're not going to be efficient.


You are correct.

Tech consolidation should be to the cloud, though. That is where most smart companies are going right now.

I work for a company that supports Cloud Databases and most large organization are at least testing the waters in the cloud.
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akm91 said:

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The end result is the people are what makes an organization run. How they are organized has minimal impact to overall efficiency if you have the wrong people.
I'm reading it more as both organizational and also technology consolidation. If you're still running mission critical applications on outdated technology then no matter how great the people are, you're not going to be efficient.


people money and resources all matter

Lack of central funding for IT projects has lead to having to charge colleges a la carte every time a change is made. Can't offer a congruent environment from Nagle to Zachry. They only briefly touched on the deferred maintenance around campus.

Even if IT staff is centralized you can't ignore the request from college staff that use to be answered by those same staff previously.

I think there is a lot of good in the report and proposal, we will have to see how it is executed.

one saving grace was the DEI stuff was only like a 4th major concern, that's promising at least
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rodan85 said:

akm91 said:

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The end result is the people are what makes an organization run. How they are organized has minimal impact to overall efficiency if you have the wrong people.
I'm reading it more as both organizational and also technology consolidation. If you're still running mission critical applications on outdated technology then no matter how great the people are, you're not going to be efficient.


You are correct.

Tech consolidation should be to the cloud, though. That is where most smart companies are going right now.

I work for a company that supports Cloud Databases and most large organization are at least testing the waters in the cloud.
no, I'm sick and tired of hearing cloud tossed around like "monorail" or "5g"

Cloud has its place, it is not a panacea
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Fightin TX Aggie said:

All this handwringing over "DEI," and yet, no one can identify any systemic oppression at TAMU. Not even one incident.

It's like focusing the survey on smallpox prevention. What are we doing to fight smallpox at tamu? Is it enough? We have an entire department devoted to smallpox awareness, etc etc.

Smallpox used to be a big problem. Now it's not. Same with racial discrimination at TAMU.

If we had it, you'd know it. Because there would be examples to discuss.
It's not about oppression. Nor racism.

It's not really about diversity.

We have a reputation as a conservative school. That cannot be tolerated. DEI is just an excuse.
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Fightin TX Aggie said:

All this handwringing over "DEI," and yet, no one can identify any systemic oppression at TAMU. Not even one incident.

It's like focusing the survey on smallpox prevention. What are we doing to fight smallpox at tamu? Is it enough? We have an entire department devoted to smallpox awareness, etc etc.

Smallpox used to be a big problem. Now it's not. Same with racial discrimination at TAMU.

If we had it, you'd know it. Because there would be examples to discuss.
Exactly.

This is a power grab disguised as DEI.
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Maybe they should ditch the whole Anthropology department.

A&M Anthropology grads make less than 20K a year and is our worst performing degree.

https://www.texaspolicy.com/college-earnings-and-debt

Select Bachelor's Degree, Texas, Ascending order on earnings and you'll find it's the 14th worst degree in state of Texas.
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