SunrayAg said:

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astros4545 said:

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SunrayAg said:

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Cassius said:

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dmart90 said:

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Requiring the vaccination is dumb. Lying about it by providing fake vaccination records is dumber.

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Your take is dumb.

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But absolutely accurate.

Do you have the vaccine?

"None of your f-ing business" is an acceptable answer.

"Here is a falsified document saying I do" is not acceptable.

Are you ok with illegal immigrants using fake documents to vote?

Being fired for not having the vaccine is not right. Being fired for presenting false documents is common.

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So stupid

Guarantee you were picked last in dodgeball or not picked at all

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Ooooh. So tough when hiding behind your keyboard. Can't argue with anything I wrote so you go with personal attacks.

What I am is a business owner. I would never force an employee to take a vaccine or provide proof of one. I would immediately fire any employee who presented any falsified document.

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So you're saying that there should be consequences for employees that lie to their employer? Mind. Blown.

VaultingChemist said:

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Apparently KCBD-TV fired six employees for trying to skirt the company's vaccine mandate by providing fake vaccine cards.

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From the OP..

JKAG10 said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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VaultingChemist said:

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Apparently KCBD-TV fired six employees for trying to skirt the company's vaccine mandate by providing fake vaccine cards.

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https://www.lubbockonline.com/story/news/2021/10/13/kcbd-lubbock-news-executive-speaks-after-employees-fired-covid-19-policy-vaccine/8436351002/

Six employees at Lubbock's KCBD-TV station, including vice president and general manager Dan Jackson, were fired recently for apparently violating its parent company's COVID-19 vaccination policies, according to current and former employees.
Eleah Lehnen, who was a KCBD account executive, said she was fired Tuesday morning after the company's human resources officials told her she was in violation of its COVID-19 vaccine policy.
Lehnen confirmed that Jackson and two other employees including KCBD's general sales manager and news director were fired last week, while she was among three employees who were terminated Tuesday.

Lehnen said that, as of Oct. 1, GrayTV implemented a policy requiring employees be fully vaccinated for COVID-19, with few exceptions offered.

Lehnen said her doctor advised her against getting a COVID-19 vaccination earlier this year, claiming that because she'd already been diagnosed with the disease her antibodies would be adequate protection.

She said she'd heard from others that Gray was generally not accepting employees' requests for religious or other exemptions from its COVID-19 vaccination mandate, so she didn't request an exemption.
"I never submitted an exemption because I was told by my management team that (GrayTV) were denying them, they were not accepting them, and so I was just trying to ride it out," she said.
Lehnen said that it's her understanding the issue came to a head early last week, when GrayTV was tipped off to "a rumor" that there were fake COVID-19 vaccine cards at KCBD, although she did not say if there was truth to the claim.

"An anonymous tip got called in to GrayTV," she said. "So last Tuesday, they sent a group of attorneys to Lubbock to interview, interrogate, employees at KCBD."
Before that, she said, GrayTV was allowing each general manager to handle implementation of the policy at their stations.
But starting last week and through the first of this week, corporate officials were interviewing employees, asking them to sign paperwork releasing their medical records for verification of their vaccine status, with Lehnen and at least two other employees being fired Tuesday for violating the policy, she said. Lehned recorded her conversation with corporate officials who asked her about her vaccine status and ultimately told her Tuesday would be her last day with the company.

GrayTV, based in Atlanta, currently owns and/or operates television stations and leading digital properties in 94 television markets. In January 2019, GrayTV completed its acquisition of Raycom, KCBD's former owner.

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I am not sure that a corporation can impose a vaccination mandate by requiring their employees to release their medical records, especially in light of Gov. Abbott's executive order. Imagine a Christian organization wanting to look at medical records of an employee to look for drug abuse issues, STDs, or past abortions.

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Could the company being based in Atlanta be the reason they can do this?

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I'm really interested in this. My job gave me an ultimatum and they're based in PA. I work remotely with no interaction with other employees. How does Abbott's EO hold up?

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I don't know, but I do know that people in Texas are being fired from their tech jobs that aren't based in Texas, and I seriously doubt that companies that are as big as those wouldn't have some very good lawyers letting them know they're more than in the clear to fire those employees, regardless of what Abbott tells his base that he's doing for them.

Doesn't matter where company is "based". If employees in Texas, then Texas law applies

BMX Bandit said:

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Doesn't matter where company is "based". If employees in Texas, then Texas law applies

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Then obviously Abbott looks like a paper tiger to those companies, because they're not stopping.

Keegan99 said:

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I read the article and saw no indication that any employees were found to have submitted fake cards?

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My take is rumor of fake cards caused the company to crack the whip. They brought it lawyers to intimidate people about their vaccination status. Those who said they were not vaccinated were then axed.

If someone wants to fake a card they need to be smart enough to base it off a legit card. If the lot number, date, and location are legit they can't prove it's fake. They can investigate and find no record at the site or of insurance being charged. That's not proof of a fake, it's just no record.

Fired for not getting a worthless therapeutic that doesn't stop infection, spread, illness nor death.

BigRobSA said:

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Fired for not getting a worthless therapeutic that doesn't stop infection, spread, illness nor death.

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Fired for providing false documents I believe. They should've waited it out.

Robin Hood Was A Thief said:

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Providing a fake vax card is deceptive and shows moral turpitude. It also is cowardice. I won't take the vax. Simple.

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This is a lot simpler for some to say or do than others. Maybe the Lubbock TV market is large, but maybe it isn't. Maybe there are no other similar jobs out there in the city you live in and what you're suggesting is literally to give up the ability to support yourself and your family. Go start your own TV station, right?

Please explain further. How can an employee be protected under Texas EO, and soon to be law (prayers) versus federal EO.

Of course there's always the you can be fired for anything in Texas that is constantly suggested. Lastly, what type of attorney does one seek out for legal advice/defense in this case?.

OldArmyBrent said:

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Robin Hood Was A Thief said:

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Providing a fake vax card is deceptive and shows moral turpitude. It also is cowardice. I won't take the vax. Simple.

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This is a lot simpler for some to say or do than others. Maybe the Lubbock TV market is large, but maybe it isn't. Maybe there are no other similar jobs out there in the city you live in and what you're suggesting is literally to give up the ability to support yourself and your family. Go start your own TV station, right?

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I'd see it more as do like you always have with your employer in the past, which is do what it takes to protect your job, especially if you have a family.

No Spin Ag said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Fired for not getting a worthless therapeutic that doesn't stop infection, spread, illness nor death.

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Fired for providing false documents I believe. They should've waited it out.

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They didn't just up and decide to claim fake cards...they were forced into a predicament by low-IQ morons.

Unfortunately, If the federal EO and OSHA rule is constitutional (I don't think it is) but if it is, then it's going to preempt any state law that conflicts.

If the OSHA rule is struck down, the Abbott EO won't get you your job back or get you any money if fired. We need legislature to pass law saying vax status can't be a condition of employment

I wonder how many of the fired workers voted for Biden

That's what I was thinking. Right now the Aboott EO is correct because it's been done. It has backing. biden has done nothing legally except threaten America (again).

Then, xiden will sign his. In that case, it's immediately sued by 26 states (that's what I am guessing based on comments when the idiot threatened everyone). A stay is ordered? I'm guessing, not a lawyer.

Can companies fire an employee when there is no law in place or is it a holding pattern?

Then, it runs the course of the SCOTUS, and is struck down. Then what? If it's upheld obvious is obvious.

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My company has cleared someone to return to office who was vaxxxed in Jan, while banning someone unvaxxed who recovered from COVID last month.

These companies are literally letting non-immunized in and forcing immunized out. Like liberals, they have no principles or common sense. It's all leftist virtue signaling to pacify covidian Karens.

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Freaking insane. I never again want to hear how the Democrats are the Party of Science.

Just more gaslighting.

And that person's vax in January is not even effective anymore!

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Rocky, this is one of your most epic posts.

We have:
Mad lib vs. Mad Men.
The laughing pic with drink in hand is awesome.
I have never seen this "girl's" regular expression.

No Spin Ag said:

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OldArmyBrent said:

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Robin Hood Was A Thief said:

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Providing a fake vax card is deceptive and shows moral turpitude. It also is cowardice. I won't take the vax. Simple.

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This is a lot simpler for some to say or do than others. Maybe the Lubbock TV market is large, but maybe it isn't. Maybe there are no other similar jobs out there in the city you live in and what you're suggesting is literally to give up the ability to support yourself and your family. Go start your own TV station, right?

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I'd see it more as do like you always have with your employer in the past, which is do what it takes to protect your job, especially if you have a family.

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You're going to love the gulags comrade. Thank goodness our founders had a backbone.

RGLAG85 said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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OldArmyBrent said:

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Robin Hood Was A Thief said:

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Providing a fake vax card is deceptive and shows moral turpitude. It also is cowardice. I won't take the vax. Simple.

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This is a lot simpler for some to say or do than others. Maybe the Lubbock TV market is large, but maybe it isn't. Maybe there are no other similar jobs out there in the city you live in and what you're suggesting is literally to give up the ability to support yourself and your family. Go start your own TV station, right?

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I'd see it more as do like you always have with your employer in the past, which is do what it takes to protect your job, especially if you have a family.

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You're going to love the gulags comrade. Thank goodness our founders had a backbone.

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It's a shame they couldn't pass their backbones to their descendants. Oh well.

SunrayAg said:

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astros4545 said:

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SunrayAg said:

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Cassius said:

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dmart90 said:

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Requiring the vaccination is dumb. Lying about it by providing fake vaccination records is dumber.

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Your take is dumb.

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But absolutely accurate.

Do you have the vaccine?

"None of your f-ing business" is an acceptable answer.

"Here is a falsified document saying I do" is not acceptable.

Are you ok with illegal immigrants using fake documents to vote?

Being fired for not having the vaccine is not right. Being fired for presenting false documents is common.

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So stupid

Guarantee you were picked last in dodgeball or not picked at all

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Ooooh. So tough when hiding behind your keyboard. Can't argue with anything I wrote so you go with personal attacks.

What I am is a business owner. I would never force an employee to take a vaccine or provide proof of one. I would immediately fire any employee who presented any falsified document.

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Can you show me where it says they were fired for providing a fake card?

Keegan99 said:

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I read the article and saw no indication that any employees were found to have submitted fake cards?

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I have relatives in the medical community in Lubbock and that is the information that they have been told. You can read the article and figure out that for someone to "rat out" those six employees, someone had to falsify their vaccination status.