Ron Paul

coconutED said:

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Ron Paul

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The Democrats have a history of cheating. JFK, LBJ, the Daley Chicago machine as a few examples.

Nope only those sorry *******s called democrats.

For the most part, if you aren't part of the machine you aren't going to sniff the nomination.

That's why our political offices are filled with disappointments. By design they represent the people, but in practice they represent the parties

FAT SEXY said:

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coconutED said:

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Ron Paul

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I think I've heard slight tale of this, now that I'm thinking of it. I need to look into this more.

R leadership really sidelined a guy like Paul for Mitt Romney? Holy **** man

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Watch this for starters. They did Ron Paul dirty.

bugslinger said:

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FAT SEXY said:

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coconutED said:

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Ron Paul

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I think I've heard slight tale of this, now that I'm thinking of it. I need to look into this more.

R leadership really sidelined a guy like Paul for Mitt Romney? Holy **** man

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Watch this for starters. They did Ron Paul dirty.

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the way the country did Ron Paul so dirty hardened me the country didn't deserve itself, nor the ability to create money. Up with bitcoin down with dopes.

In 2016 Bernie was hosed by the Superdelegate system. That isn't really cheating because it is done in the open and everyone know how it works. It is a popularity contest among the party elite.

This shows how Fox News is just as crooked as the others.

Controlled opposition

If they did, Trump would never have won.

Anything dishonest in politics is pretty much just par for the course - for either party. It's a nasty business.

bugslinger said:

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FAT SEXY said:

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coconutED said:

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Ron Paul

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I think I've heard slight tale of this, now that I'm thinking of it. I need to look into this more.

R leadership really sidelined a guy like Paul for Mitt Romney? Holy **** man

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Watch this for starters. They did Ron Paul dirty.

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This is just demoralizing to watch. I'd forgotten how bad and obvious it was.

Ron Paul is probably one of the better examples.

If you think about it, the attempt was made in 2016, but somewhat retroactively, to scuttle Cruz and Trump both. And Romney led part of it, and Rubio was roped into another part of it.

Boehner was still `bombing' Ted Cruz even as the nomination approached.

What the go-alongs never realized is Jeb was never going to work. What might have worked for them is full support for Christie. He was the only `establishment' one that seemed to have any forcefullness.

Albatross Necklace said:

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If they did, Trump would never have won.

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Trump was the perfect storm and completely obliterated his Republican competition... plus, the dems and media thought Trump would be a slam dunk for Hillary and pushed him as the candidate.

PooDoo said:

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Albatross Necklace said:

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If they did, Trump would never have won.

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Trump was the perfect storm and completely obliterated his Republican competition... plus, the dems and media thought Trump would be a slam dunk for Hillary and pushed him as the candidate.

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One reason for Trump's success was that the also-rans behind him refused to get out so support for an alternative never coalesced. They were all splitting the votes of those with alternate proposals and the never Trumpers. Not to mention the media loved to focus on the bombastic personality of Trump so no one else was getting any attention. It was a lot of conditions being just right for Trump to get the nomination and win, but a lot of it was also Trump's sheer will of personality to keep pushing. We may not see a race like that again for a long time.

Y'all are nuts. Hillary cheated Bernie out of the nomination by getting 4 million more votes than him. Biden got the nomination because the Democratic Party and it's voters got scared that Bernie might win and threw their lot behind Biden. My precinct, which Trump won in the General, had the most votes and longest lines I've ever seen in any election because people didn't want a socialist heading the ticket for the Democratic Party. It was a joke in the line to vote that we were pretending to be Democrats for the day.

Ron "freaking" Paul got cheated? Rick Santorum and Newt got more votes than him, even though Paul stayed in the race longer. I don't know if y'all are this divorced from reality in all aspects of your life, but good lord.

The point is that he never gained any momentum because the news pretended he didnt exist. If he got fair coverage, he would have had more votes.

Ron Paul would have lost in Mondale fashion.

Conservatives -- lets be honest......


....yes the system was rigged. How else did Romney win the nomination?

TheEternalPessimist said:

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Conservatives -- lets be honest......


....yes the system was rigged. How else did Romney win the nomination?

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Who did he steal it from? Paul? Ok

PooDoo said:

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Albatross Necklace said:

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If they did, Trump would never have won.

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Trump was the perfect storm and completely obliterated his Republican competition... plus, the dems and media thought Trump would be a slam dunk for Hillary and pushed him as the candidate.

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What Trump did was to say what the other Republican candidates refused or were afraid to say.

That is what got him elected.

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This shows how Fox News is just as crooked as the others.

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Last time I watched Fox News was election night. They were in on the Psy Op knows as the 2020 election. They were in on the cheat. They were in on the TREASON.

bugslinger said:

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The point is that he never gained any momentum because the news pretended he didnt exist. If he got fair coverage, he would have had more votes.

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Also, isn' t the thread talking about whether or not the parties "slant" the nomination process, rather than the chances of a candidate winining?

I agree that Ron Paul if he was running could never be elected. They are not going to let an anti-Fed become President in the same way the decided Trump would not get a second term.

But if you are looking at "stacking" or pre-loading the nominations and setting things to prevent real rivals from getting any traction, both parties have done it.

The decks do tend to get stacked. The establishment GOP has an advantage in that they are more disciplined than the various conservative elements that are in the party. Rarely do you see more than one moderate running. You instead get the golden child of the Bush/Rockefeller GOP, who racks up a big advantage out of Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina before the diverse elements of the conservative group can coalesce around one candidate.

That was what they wanted in 2016 with Jeb Bush. What no one anticipated was a populist with an ability to form a 30-35% coalition of his own to overcome the moderate choice. There were also an unusual number of moderate Republicans in the race who refused to pay the normal deference to the Bush Family. This also helped Trump's efforts.

It will be interesting to see what the Country Club/Main Street/Turncoat Republican crowd do in 2024 should Trump run again. The old plan will not work. Do they get behind someone close enough to Trump to take votes from him in the primary (I doubt that would work. But running the latest variant of the Romney/Bush/McCain candidate will not work at all.)?

PooDoo said:

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If they did, Trump would never have won.

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Trump was the perfect storm and completely obliterated his Republican competition... plus, the dems and media thought Trump would be a slam dunk for Hillary and pushed him as the candidate.

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I agree the GOP scales are slanted, but its not rigged like where Hilldawg won 17 of 17 coin flips to win Iowa.

If it was completely rigged, an outsider would have zero chance of winning.

Gbr1971 said:

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Ron "freaking" Paul got cheated? Rick Santorum and Newt got more votes than him, even though Paul stayed in the race longer. I don't know if y'all are this divorced from reality in all aspects of your life, but good lord.

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Ron Paul was absolutely cheated in the 2012 primary. He was winning delegates by focusing on targeted precinct caucuses, but the RNC changed the rules in the middle of primary season to cut him off.

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in the past, yes, there are examples of it., from both parties.

but nothing, at all, anywhere, like the Dems in 2020.

not even a fraction of that.

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Until the advent of television every primary was 'rigged' or negotiated in smoke filled rooms between candidates and the big political power brokers.

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bugslinger said:

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FAT SEXY said:

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coconutED said:

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Ron Paul

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I think I've heard slight tale of this, now that I'm thinking of it. I need to look into this more.

R leadership really sidelined a guy like Paul for Mitt Romney? Holy **** man

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Watch this for starters. They did Ron Paul dirty.

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the way the country did Ron Paul so dirty hardened me the country didn't deserve itself, nor the ability to create money. Up with bitcoin down with dopes.

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Thanks for posting. Eye opening.

Holy crap, after watching the video itself, man, that is indeed revealing. Have always known the MSM has been total trash for most of this century, but that just proves it. Those defending the media still defending Biden in turn and the DNC need to watch that to understand why it is so certain the MSM is just garbage and it has nothing to do with Trump's tweets -- it waaaay predates it.

Remember some of that momentum of Ron Paul in 2012. Looks like it is a myth that he was always out of the question. Actively remember the scene of Ron Paul supporters getting mad and chasing Hannity over some of the blackout, but most of that was new and revealing to see so clearly. Especially stunts like listing the loser at the top when Paul won and he is at the bottom, or just not mentioning him at all, even while showing the polls.

And the opening is pretty epic -- wonder which speech that was he was giving.

A: Pat Buchanan

Checked the link. That was posted in February 2016. PRE-TRUMP.

What was done to Trump in 2020 had been done before, and for the same reason. And in this case, by the GOP.

Simple challenge to scoffers about the elections doubts last year-- -watch that. And see if it so far-fetched after all. The pattern is so similar ---- except Donald Trump had the vast reservoirs of money to overcome the `pre-loading' that was used to sink Ron Paul as can be clearly seen.