Wait a tick; the profs can record but the students can't?oldyeller said:Students who do this in the classroom will be in violation of student rules against unauthorized recording, and may face further sanction, which will weaken any legitimate claims they have. Better to file a claim using the proper channels.PearlJammin said:
Everyone is walking around with a video camera. Need to record this behavior.
Gator_2 said:
I'm trying to fight the same issue at the law school. I emailed the Attorney General 3 weeks ago and have received nothing of consequence back.
If the instructor is recording via Zoom, for example to host the recording on Canvas so that students in quarantine may have access and not fall behind, and their management of the recording is compliant with FERPA and all other relevant laws, then yes.WHOOP!'91 said:Wait a tick; the profs can record but the students can't?oldyeller said:Students who do this in the classroom will be in violation of student rules against unauthorized recording, and may face further sanction, which will weaken any legitimate claims they have. Better to file a claim using the proper channels.PearlJammin said:
Everyone is walking around with a video camera. Need to record this behavior.
I guess I get a legitimate reason to record, but if they use it for illegitimate purposes, that would be a problem.oldyeller said:If the instructor is recording via Zoom, for example to host the recording on Canvas so that students in quarantine may have access and not fall behind, and their management of the recording is compliant with FERPA and all other relevant laws, then yes.WHOOP!'91 said:Wait a tick; the profs can record but the students can't?oldyeller said:Students who do this in the classroom will be in violation of student rules against unauthorized recording, and may face further sanction, which will weaken any legitimate claims they have. Better to file a claim using the proper channels.PearlJammin said:
Everyone is walking around with a video camera. Need to record this behavior.
Students can record, but they have to gain authorization first, e.g. demonstrating they have a legitimate need to record, agreeing that the recording is solely for their use, and further agreeing to destroy the recording(s) once the semester is over. Classrooms are protected spaces, not public streets, and that's the relevant consideration.
You should be allowed to record people breaking the law without being punished for it.WHOOP!'91 said:I guess I get a legitimate reason to record, but if they use it for illegitimate purposes, that would be a problem.oldyeller said:If the instructor is recording via Zoom, for example to host the recording on Canvas so that students in quarantine may have access and not fall behind, and their management of the recording is compliant with FERPA and all other relevant laws, then yes.WHOOP!'91 said:Wait a tick; the profs can record but the students can't?oldyeller said:Students who do this in the classroom will be in violation of student rules against unauthorized recording, and may face further sanction, which will weaken any legitimate claims they have. Better to file a claim using the proper channels.PearlJammin said:
Everyone is walking around with a video camera. Need to record this behavior.
Students can record, but they have to gain authorization first, e.g. demonstrating they have a legitimate need to record, agreeing that the recording is solely for their use, and further agreeing to destroy the recording(s) once the semester is over. Classrooms are protected spaces, not public streets, and that's the relevant consideration.
I agree.FriscoKid said:You should be allowed to record people breaking the law without being punished for it.WHOOP!'91 said:I guess I get a legitimate reason to record, but if they use it for illegitimate purposes, that would be a problem.oldyeller said:If the instructor is recording via Zoom, for example to host the recording on Canvas so that students in quarantine may have access and not fall behind, and their management of the recording is compliant with FERPA and all other relevant laws, then yes.WHOOP!'91 said:Wait a tick; the profs can record but the students can't?oldyeller said:Students who do this in the classroom will be in violation of student rules against unauthorized recording, and may face further sanction, which will weaken any legitimate claims they have. Better to file a claim using the proper channels.PearlJammin said:
Everyone is walking around with a video camera. Need to record this behavior.
Students can record, but they have to gain authorization first, e.g. demonstrating they have a legitimate need to record, agreeing that the recording is solely for their use, and further agreeing to destroy the recording(s) once the semester is over. Classrooms are protected spaces, not public streets, and that's the relevant consideration.
Texas A&M can't require masking in instructional settings, nor can we require getting a vaccine, however, both are strongly encouraged as the COVID-19 vaccination remains the best way to protect Aggieland. #tamu
— Texas A&M University (@TAMU) September 7, 2021
Responded to that thread with the pictureAgthatbuilds said:Texas A&M can't require masking in instructional settings, nor can we require getting a vaccine, however, both are strongly encouraged as the COVID-19 vaccination remains the best way to protect Aggieland. #tamu
— Texas A&M University (@TAMU) September 7, 2021
Official stance from yesterday
Yes, if they violate the terms of the agreement granting authorization, the student would also be in jeopardy and have less of a leg to stand on when filing any legitimate grievance.WHOOP!'91 said:I guess I get a legitimate reason to record, but if they use it for illegitimate purposes, that would be a problem.oldyeller said:If the instructor is recording via Zoom, for example to host the recording on Canvas so that students in quarantine may have access and not fall behind, and their management of the recording is compliant with FERPA and all other relevant laws, then yes.WHOOP!'91 said:Wait a tick; the profs can record but the students can't?oldyeller said:Students who do this in the classroom will be in violation of student rules against unauthorized recording, and may face further sanction, which will weaken any legitimate claims they have. Better to file a claim using the proper channels.PearlJammin said:
Everyone is walking around with a video camera. Need to record this behavior.
Students can record, but they have to gain authorization first, e.g. demonstrating they have a legitimate need to record, agreeing that the recording is solely for their use, and further agreeing to destroy the recording(s) once the semester is over. Classrooms are protected spaces, not public streets, and that's the relevant consideration.
Gator_2 said:
Not sure that will help. A group of students, including myself, had a meeting with the Administration who gave their full support to these polices. The rationale is that they are allowed "reasonable encouragement" to get students to vaccinate and wear masks.
Apparently threatening students grades is just encouragement.
Irish 2.0 said:
I emailed Sharp too.
chancellor@tamus.edu
That tactic comes with great peril, especially if the use of the unauthorized recordings ends up leaking protected student information in violation of FERPA. FERPA violations can cost an institution all federal funding, so they will not casually dismiss someone being flippant about policies in place meant to protect student privacy.ThunderCougarFalconBird said:
If I'm a student in these classes, I wear a hidden recording device, get the goods, and then launder the video. It isn't hard to fight fire with fire. Going through "official channels" is a one way ticket to being ignored at best and most likely retaliated against. These people need to be humiliated and put at real risk of losing something (tenure).
Policy might be what it is but there are intelligent ways to get around it. Look at what the profs themselves are doing trying to force a policy that is verboten but also being careful not to put anything in writing.
Paper trailFriscoKid said:Irish 2.0 said:
I emailed Sharp too.
chancellor@tamus.edu
Well, that went right in the trash.
Agree. You did good. Shining light on this is the only way to fix it. Collage profs think they can operate with immunity these days.hihozippo said:
Thank you TommyBrady! -sincerely CVM staff (who had our jobs threatened for not masking up. It was said we would be sent home with no pay for noncompliance).
TommyBrady said:
Professors are also starting classes talking about people they know who died of covid and saying that maybe they would still be here if people weren't so selfish and that more masks could have saved them.
This is literally trying to psychologically mess with these kids.
TommyBrady said:
Professors are also starting classes talking about people they know who died of covid and saying that maybe they would still be here if people weren't so selfish and that more masks could have saved them.
This is literally trying to psychologically mess with these kids.
Are you sure that is accurate? I would think that a classroom setting is one that would qualify as a place somebody has no right to an expectation of privacy, so unauthorized recording there would not be an issue.oldyeller said:Students who do this in the classroom will be in violation of student rules against unauthorized recording, and may face further sanction, which will weaken any legitimate claims they have. Better to file a claim using the proper channels.PearlJammin said:
Everyone is walking around with a video camera. Need to record this behavior.
One of the things protected is which courses students are in, and what times those classes meet. So if student X can be identified as being enrolled in Professor A's class on subject S that meets weekly at time T, in room R, there's a problem. And yes, A&M would be on the hook, which is why they would aggressively go after the individual who had violated the policy in place against unauthorized recording.ThunderCougarFalconBird said:
Not really seeing how that would cause FERPA issues. And if it would, I would suspect that the entity on the hook is A&M itself.
So if they focused the recording only on the professor so that no students identities were shown, they could record without fear of any issues, correct?oldyeller said:One of the things protected is which courses students are in, and what times those classes meet. So if student X can be identified as being enrolled in Professor A's class on subject S that meets weekly at time T, in room R, there's a problem. And yes, A&M would be on the hook, which is why they would aggressively go after the individual who had violated the policy in place against unauthorized recording.ThunderCougarFalconBird said:
Not really seeing how that would cause FERPA issues. And if it would, I would suspect that the entity on the hook is A&M itself.
