When Johnny Comes Marching Home

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Barnyard96
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I am told this may be removed from the band playlist because it has ties to the Confederacy. It was written for the Union, and the Confederates played it too.

One of you is really going to give me some stink over this.

I really hope this is bad info.
ShaggySLC
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Well Johnny is Juan now, so that song is racist.
BillYeoman
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Wasn't this song a melancholy anti-war song?
Barnyard96
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Beats me. I thought it had just become a 4th quarter rally tune.
ABATTBQ87
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BillYeoman said:

Wasn't this song a melancholy anti-war song?
This musical hope for peace originated during the Civil War and has demonstrated lasting appeal, growing in popularity over the years. Soldiers and civilians on both sides of the conflict sang it, identifying with the feeling of joy they thought would come with the end of the fighting and the return of loved ones to their homes.

The first printed sheet music for the song credits the words and music to Louis Lambert, which was determined later to be a pen name for Patrick S. Gilmore. Born in Ireland, Gilmore came to America in the 1840s along with many others who fled the famine of those years. He was a gifted musician, becoming Bandmaster for the United States Army during the Civil War and, in post-war years, the organizer of Monster Peace-Jubilees featuring orchestras of a thousand musicians and choruses of 10,000 voices.

Gilmore claimed to have learned the tune for "When Johnny Comes Marching Home" from an unidentified African-American singer and that it was a traditional African-American melody. The song's Irish sound, and Gilmore's background, lead many to discredit this claim, but no definitive evidence of the tune's origin has been discovered. It is possible that he adapted the melody from a traditional Irish folk song.

https://balladofamerica.org/when-johnny-comes-marching-home/
ABATTBQ87
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When Johnny Comes Marching Home Again

The story of "When Johnny comes Marching Home" is also the story of Patrick Sarsfield Gilmore. Gilmore, an 1848 Irish immigrant to Boston, was considered by no less a musician than John Philip Sousa as the "Father of the American Band."

Gilmore led a number of bands in the Boston area, including Patrick Gilmore's Band. At the beginning of the Civil War, in September 1861, the band enlisted as a group in the Union Army and was attached to the 24th Massachusetts Infantry. Gilmore's band served both as musicians and stretcher-bearers at such horrific battles as Bull Run, Antietam, Chancellorsville, Gettysburg, and Richmond. Gilmore was posted to occupied New Orleans, Louisiana in 1863 and, as Grand Master of the Union Army, ordered to reorganize the state military bands. It was at this time that he claimed to have composed the words and music to "When Johnny Comes Marching Home."

"When Johnny Comes Marching Home" bears a remarkable similarity to the melody of the Irish song "Johnny, I Hardly Knew Ye," which might be considered a protest song in the vein of "Where Have All the Flowers Gone?" The Irish song concerns conscription into the British Army
Quote:

Where are your legs that used to run, huroo, huroo,
Where are your legs that used to run, huroo, huroo,
Where are your legs that used to run when first you went for to carry a gun?
Alas, your dancing days are done, och, Johnny, I hardly knew ye.


It is possible that this air was written before Gilmore's "When Johnny Comes Marching Home" and that Gilmore unconsciously might have borrowed from it. For his part, Gilmore claimed that he had adapted an African-American spiritual.

Sheet music for "When Johnny Comes Marching Home" was first published by Henry Tolman and Company of Boston in 1863 and bore the dedication "To the Army and Navy of the Union." Gilmore published the song under the pseudonym Louis Lambert, although the title page also read "as introduced by Gilmore's Band."
Barnyard96
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Lyrics read "we'll all feel gay when johnny comes marching home"

You'd think the woke would like that part.
P.H. Dexippus
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My Name Is Judge
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I thought this thread was gonna be an update on comeback szn round 9
CanyonAg77
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I'm going with bad info. Would like to know where you heard this.

"Dixie" has slipped into and out of the Aggie Band playlist over the years. It was included in a "Civil War Medley".

When I was a BQ, (then) Major Haney replaced it with "Bonnie Blue Flag", which mollified the ignorant, even though it was a much more blatant anti-union song.
Barnyard96
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I heard it from FTAB.
zephyr88
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If you look hard enough, you can find something bad in everything.
This time, I don't see it.

When Johnny comes marching home again
Hurrah! Hurrah!
We'll give him a hearty welcome then
Hurrah! Hurrah!
The men will cheer and the boys will shout
The ladies they will all turn out
And we'll all feel gay
When Johnny comes marching home.

The old church bell will peal with joy
Hurrah! Hurrah!
To welcome home our darling boy,
Hurrah! Hurrah!
The village lads and lassies say
With roses they will strew the way,
And we'll all feel gay
When Johnny comes marching home.

Get ready for the Jubilee,
Hurrah! Hurrah!
We'll give the hero three times three,
Hurrah! Hurrah!
The laurel wreath is ready now
To place upon his loyal brow
And we'll all feel gay
When Johnny comes marching home.

Let love and friendship on that day,
Hurrah, hurrah!
Their choicest pleasures then display,
Hurrah, hurrah!
And let each one perform some part,
To fill with joy the warrior's heart,
And we'll all feel gay
When Johnny comes marching home.
Maroon Elephant
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It's the best damn song they play.
CanyonAg77
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barnyard1996 said:

I heard it from FTAB.
Will ping the BQ Facebook group and see what I can shake out.
BurnetAggie99
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Always add Dixie With Love

Pookers
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Mr. AGSPRT04 said:


Thanks for the video. I bet campus was a cool place back in the 80s.
Fishin Texas Aggie 05
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Get rid of Johnny it's so outdated and racist

Play the Bonnie blue flag in its place
ABATTBQ87
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Pookers said:

Mr. AGSPRT04 said:


Thanks for the video. I bet campus was a cool place back in the 80s.
A&M was a cool place to be in the 80's
Barnyard96
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My first game was in '87, LSU - We lost.

2nd Game was tu - We won. 13 years old. Cotton floating everywhere. Freaking awesome.

ABATTBQ87
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Fishin Texas Aggie 05 said:

Get rid of Johnny it's so outdated and racist

Play the Bonnie blue flag in its place
Civil War Music: The Bonnie Blue Flag

Next to "Dixie's Land," perhaps no other song was as well-loved by the Confederate soldier as "The Bonnie Blue Flag." Written by Harry Macarthy (1834-1888) and sung to the old Irish tune "The Irish Jaunting Car," the song lays out the order of secession of the States that went on to form the Confederacy. The first flag of the Confederacy was a single white star on a blue background. This song, especially popular in the South during the early years of the war, counts out the eleven seceding states one by one.

The lyrics are:
We are a band of brothers
And native to the soil,
Fighting for the property
We gained by honest toil;
And when our rights were threatened,
The cry rose near and far--
"Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue Flag
That bears a single star!"

CHORUS:
Hurrah! Hurrah!
For Southern rights hurrah!
Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue Flag
That bears a single star.

As long as the Union
Was faithful to her trust,
Like friends and like brothers
Both kind were we and just;
But now, when Northern treachery
Attempts our rights to mar,
We hoist on high the Bonnie Blue Flag
That bears a single star.

CHORUS
First gallant South Carolina
Nobly made the stand,
Then came Alabama,
Who took her by the hand.
Next quickly Mississippi,
Georgia and Florida
All raised on high the Bonnie Blue Flag
That bears a single star.

CHORUS
Ye men of valor, gather round
The banner of the right;
Texas and fair Louisiana
Join us in the fight.
Davis, our loved president,
And Stephens statesmen are;
Now rally round the Bonnie Blue Flag
That bears a single star.

CHORUS
And here's to old Virginia--
The Old Dominion State--
Who with the young Confederacy
At length has linked her fate;
Impelled by her example,
Now other states prepare
To hoist on high the Bonnie Blue Flag
That bears a single star.

CHORUS
Then cheer, boys, cheer;
Raise the joyous shout,
For Arkansas and North Carolina
Now have both gone out;
And let another rousing cheer
For Tennessee be given,
The single star of the Bonnie Blue Flag
Has grown to be eleven.

CHORUS
Then here's to our Confederacy,
Strong are we and brave;
Like patriots of old we'll fight
Our heritage to save.
And rather than submit to shame,
To die we would prefer;
So cheer for the Bonnie Blue Flag
That bears a single star.

ABATTBQ87
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barnyard1996 said:

My first game was in '87, LSU - We lost.

2nd Game was tu - We won. 13 years old. Cotton floating everywhere. Freaking awesome.

Son is in ABATT now.
1984-85 was my PHead year in the band, which was the last all-male Aggie Band.
ShaggySLC
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ABATTBQ87 said:

Pookers said:

Mr. AGSPRT04 said:


Thanks for the video. I bet campus was a cool place back in the 80s.
A&M was a cool place to be in the 80's
Don't know why but your post reminded me of old Kyle Field, we sat across the isle and a few rows up from the band. Use to love watching the corp guys and band members try their luck sliding down the ramp in the middle of the section with their boots. There would always be a bad wipe out. Good life growing up going to Aggie games in the 80's and 90's
Deplorable
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I don't mean to be rude.

Or give a pass to the woke.

But no one except band nerds would ever notice this.
ABATTBQ87
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OG UNF said:

I don't mean to be rude.

Or give a pass to the woke.

But no one except band nerds would ever notice this.
so what instrument do you play?
Barnyard96
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I am not a band nerd, and Im the OP. Care to try again?
lil99chris
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Some of you need to realize that it highlights those white privileged folks walking to a home. Turn in your woke card! Uggghhhhhh
1836er
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OG UNF said:

I don't mean to be rude.

Or give a pass to the woke.

But no one except band nerds would ever notice this.
Wrong.
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The Chicken Ranch
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I'm sure the song was played at a minstrel show, so say goodbye to it.
JABQ04
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OG UNF said:

I don't mean to be rude.

Or give a pass to the woke.

But no one except band nerds would ever notice this.


The song? As a band nerd and a history nerd it's hard not to notice.
Mule_lx
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Being Redass>Being PC
MouthBQ98
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I'm going to imagine both sides played the tune. Seems to be common with popular tunes of the day.
BTHOB-98
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The lyrics to "When Johnny Comes Marching Home" were written by the Irish-American bandleader Patrick Gilmore during the American Civil War. Its first sheet music publication was deposited in the Library of Congress on September 26, 1863, with words and music credited to "Louis Lambert"; copyright was retained by the publisher, Henry Tolman & Co., of Boston.[1] Why Gilmore chose to publish under a pseudonym is not clear, but popular composers of the period often employed pseudonyms to add a touch of romantic mystery to their compositions.[2] Gilmore is said to have written the song for his sister Annie as she prayed for the safe return of her fianc, Union Light Artillery Captain John O'Rourke, from the Civil War,[3][4][5] although it is not clear if they were already engaged in 1863; the two were not married until 1875.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Johnny_Comes_Marching_Home#Origins
CanyonAg77
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barnyard1996 said:

I heard it from FTAB.
Did your contact tell you they played it just last night?

(Not very well, good lord guys, hit the notes! And that's coming from a 1970s BQ, when we were really bad)

https://www.facebook.com/8381865/videos/983821775495208/
FIDO95
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Not trying to derail but the best and most gut wrenching "Johnny" Civil war song is Johnny gone for a soldier:

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