HollywoodBQ said:

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Ag$08 said:

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DannyDuberstein said:

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I dont have any vaccinations that require an annual booster outside of the highly ineffective flu shot

They are in the dark and throwing crap against the wall on these vaccines right now

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Here is the typical vaccine schedule. Several vaccines require boosters to establish maximum efficacy.

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Like getting a Tetanus shot every 10 years?

Once every 4 months is quite a bit different than once every decade.

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It's pretty sad when colostrum from a lactating mother gives a baby longer immunity than a state of the art "vaccine" that is failing more and more daily. I'd support nuking all of China before I'd take that garbage vaccine.

DannyDuberstein said:

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Going along with "It's not working as well as we thought, here take more" when we know as little as we do makes you a guinea pig.

They spent the entire year telling us the vaccine was how you got lasting immunity relative to natural infection immunity. Now you trust them on this latest and greatest booster schedule that is in complete contradiction to what they were just telling us?

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I believe there are ongoing trials to test the safety and efficacy of booster shots; however, I am not aware of any that have been completed. I actually am sympathetic to the sentiment of this post. It's a frustrating situation. I'm hopeful that these recommendations are based on actual RCT with consideration to specific outcomes (e.g., infections, symptoms, hospitalizations, etc.) and not just antibody titers.

Grab me some.

RGLAG85 said:

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Salute The Marines said:

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SociallyConditionedAg said:

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Ag$08 said:

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Yukon Cornelius said:

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Here's the study I referenced.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261159v1

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From the paper you posted.

" Conclusion With up to 6 months of follow-up and despite a gradually declining trend in vaccine efficacy, BNT162b2 had a favorable safety profile and was highly efficacious in preventing COVID-19."

It's like you guys read up on the science just enough to plan out what to pretend to be outraged about next. There has always been a chance a booster would be required. You knew this and already have been outraged about it for months.

It's a silly look.

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Um, we were told it was 95% effective at preventing illness and transmission after only 2 doses. Then we were told it would reduce symptoms but eliminate transmission, which was also wrong. As you said, most of us knew and warned that boosters would be required. It's only 'silly' that the government is just now admitting it.

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The efficacy studies never claimed it to be 95% effective at preventing transmission. In fact, they specifically exclude transmission as a primary goal.

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If that is true, not what was sold to the public, then why lord Fauci and the CDC saying you could lose the mask after you were vaccinated if they truly believed the mask helped prevent the spread?

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Fauci stated in October of 2020 that the vaccines would probably just reduce illness and not very effective at transmission.

They'll need to provide the data to show it is necessary as an individuals. I went from a 99.9% chance to live to 99.99983%. How exactly is the booster necessary? Can someone show me the data that this chance you live is waning, and that another shot actually improves on that?

You will have even less get them this time around, and the vaccine passport system will never work because you simply can't keep up with giving out enough over 8 month periods for everyone

Ag$08 said:

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Was the multiple booster shots you receive for many other vaccines your first clue?

Reality is not a conspiracy against you.

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We have received booster shots for other coronaviruses?

Can you actually show me where there is data that the vast majority of people need this for survival compared to one original shot? What about those previously infected, or those that have a shot(or 2) and had previous infection? Again, is that more necessary than getting these distributed globally?

The immune compromised, maybe?? But to me, there's minimal to no data to show this is more necessary than getting these things distributed globally. If we are truly about saving the most lives possible. We can't give out 8 month boosters to everyone here before the world even has their first shot.

Rapier108 said:

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Eso si, Que es said:

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Perpetual boosters is a feature, not a bug

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Which says either they knew the shots would not last long and this is all about a perpetual $$$ flow to big pharma and their government buddies, or it is something far more nefarious.

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More nefarious...like a Chinese engineered virus that was intentionally released on the world?

This has the makings of a dystopian sci fi short story. Fast forward 260 years, people are ceremonially jumping off bridges at 44 years old because there's not enough vax to sustain the general population with their once a month fix. In the meantime there's a bunch of rebel teenagers that are suspect of the vax and talk about rebellion in their clubhouse... other stuff... kids jump off a bridge... afterword says the vax lost efficacy 259 years ago, the bogeyman virus lost efficacy 259 years ago, but people like security and government likes control...

So do you have to get two more shots if you got the J&J one shot vaccine?

Proper Twelve said:

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Haha I guess my prediction of a yearly booster was too optimistic

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Pretty soon it will be monthly! Then daily! Come everyone get your Soma, I mean vax!

I will not be participating!

Salute The Marines said:

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Cool I'll get mine

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Of course. You'd get one every hour if they offered it! And inject your kids with it too, and your prego wife! Hell, how about your dogs too?

I would say show me some data but after the COVID counting debacle over the past 2 years I don't trust the government gathering and sharing data.

Cassius said:

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Salute The Marines said:

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Cool I'll get mine

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Of course. You'd get one every hour if they offered it! And inject your kids with it too, and your prego wife! Hell, how about your dogs too?

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Let me guess. I'm going to get super autism from this one.

Salute The Marines said:

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Cassius said:

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Salute The Marines said:

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Cool I'll get mine

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Of course. You'd get one every hour if they offered it! And inject your kids with it too, and your prego wife! Hell, how about your dogs too?

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Let me guess. I'm going to get super autism from this one.

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Uh, I think the autism thing concerns kids.

Just because we don't want to inject ourselves each week with a non-normal, fully FDA process approved vaccine that hasn't been around long enough to demonstrate long term issues, doesn't mean we are anti vaxxers.

The 2nd shot hit me hard. I've never had chills like that from any sickness. Not sure I want to go through that again. Who knows it might be worse the 3rd time.

Just go catch Covid if you are healthy, the natural immunity will be infinitely better for your protection.

Muy said:

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Just go catch Covid if you are healthy, the natural immunity will be infinitely better for your protection.

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And you had to be hospitalized to get it. People don't have to go through that.

That's not how that works.

Yukon Cornelius said:

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Look at this. Didn't prevent any deaths against unvaccinated.

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Here is the write up on this chart from the table you posted.

" During the blinded, controlled period, 15 BNT162b2 and 14 placebo recipients died; during the open-label period, 3 BNT162b2 and 2 original placebo recipients who received BNT162b2 after unblinding died. None of these deaths were considered related to BNT162b2 by investigators. Causes of death were balanced between BNT162b2 and placebo groups (Table S4)."

Ag$08 said:

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Muy said:

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Just go catch Covid if you are healthy, the natural immunity will be infinitely better for your protection.

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And you had to be hospitalized to get it. People don't have to go through that.

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The vast majority of those with no underlying conditions won't be hospitalized, you know that, Karen.

All jokes aside, it does look like it's only going to be recommended for those in senior care facilities and health care workers. Which probably makes sense. Unless there is a significant drop in efficacy I'll more than likely pass on it, but will take it if it's offered and requires little effort.

I guess I don't get it. Call me uninformed and simple.

We were told these mRNA vaccines are "not new" and just shut up and get the jab. Tons of testing. It is safe. We know about how these work.

We are then told after the jab we can lose the mask (which infers that it will reduce / stop transmission).

Then we are told it reduces severe illness / death but can still end up really sick or in hospital.

Then we are told you need to wear a mask after anyways (oops to the point above).

Now we are told we *may* need another...

How the living f- do we not know if we will need another or not? If there is so much data on this drug that confirms it is safe how do we not understand its benefits and how long it provides benefit? How come they did not say, on day 1 of vaccine roll out, with XXX vaccine, you will need a booster in XXX months/years (would have been based on all their previous testing).

Proper Twelve said:

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Haha I guess my prediction of a yearly booster was too optimistic

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You should have taken the under.

Abstract Imperfect Vaccination

Could some vaccines drive the evolution of more virulent pathogens? Conventional wisdom is that natural selection will remove highly lethal pathogens if host death greatly reduces transmission. Vaccines that keep hosts alive but still allow transmission could thus allow very virulent strains to circulate in a population. Here we show experimentally that immunization of chickens against Marek's disease virus enhances the fitness of more virulent strains, making it possible for hyperpathogenic strains to transmit. Immunity elicited by direct vaccination or by maternal vaccination prolongs host survival but does not prevent infection, viral replication or transmission, thus extending the infectious periods of strains otherwise too lethal to persist. Our data show that anti-disease vaccines that do not prevent transmission can create conditions that promote the emergence of pathogen strains that cause more severe disease in unvaccinated hosts.

Those that are vaccinated and infected can become mutation factories. Just waiting for a slight mutation to become a worse pathogen because the bug has time to figure out a way around the body's defenses. This is the nightmare situation. And eventually, the vaccinated will also suffer. But since the uberkind CDC isn't tracking breakthrough cases in the vaccinated it's impossible to tell how bad things actually are.

Salute The Marines said:

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All jokes aside, it does look like it's only going to be recommended for those in senior care facilities and health care workers. Which probably makes sense. Unless there is a significant drop in efficacy I'll more than likely pass on it, but will take it if it's offered and requires little effort.

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At the beginning. Just at the beginning. We are all so sure the govt leaders will not overstep this solemn promise.

It is definitely a weird thing. They may not realize it, but by having the greatest most consistent liars in the world -- National Democrats and Legacy Media -- push this so hard, they are not making headway, but actually regressing. More and more know that were lukewarm about taking it are now not going to because its "too weird all the forcing of it---especially on pregnant women and kids".

Agree entirely. When the absolute known wicked (this is the same cabal and political party that gave you Spygate and four years of non-stop pro Left sedition from Jan 2017) are really leaning into something -- -its suspect by default.

Some people just have to touch the stove in order to know it's hot and will deny any evidence you try to show them until they get burned themselves.

Apparently Muy got seriously burned and is still telling people to touch the stove. The level of denial is maddening.

Ag$08 said:

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Some people just have to touch the stove in order to know it's hot and will deny any evidence you try to show them until they get burned themselves.

Apparently Muy got seriously burned and is still telling people to touch the stove. The level of denial is maddening.

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Should I tell folks not to drive cars if I'm injured in a wreck?

Like said, the more people you KNOW are as bad as they come -- -CNN/NBC/MSNBC/NYT the Pelosians and Obamians of the Democratic Party -- push this --- the more people are going to refuse.

Would never have got one in this climate. Earlier it was just when needed to travel to avoid hassles. Its gotten worse since they came out, more deranged. I view the push on kids and pregnant women with *absolute* suspicion. A school forcing it on a kid would need to be prepared to become a national controversy story.

This has been one of the challenges of mRNA "vaccines" aka shots the whole time that they have been testing. The length of immunity has never been very good and has been difficult to judge how long it will last.