FriscoKid said:

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The Trump/Biden calamity unfolding in Afghanistan began with the Trump administration negotiating with terrorists and pretending they were partners for peace, and is ending with American surrender as Biden abandons the country to our terrorist enemies. https://t.co/PQ1i5W6zZt

— Liz Cheney (@Liz_Cheney) August 14, 2021

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I don't do Twitter but please tell me someone replied reminding her it was her Dad who got us mired in that ****hole.

The fall of #Kabul is imminent. If #Taliban managed to encircle Kabul airport, the evacuation would get tricky, will it be a repeat of Mogadishu 1993?

#AfghanistanBurning https://t.co/eygho9H6cC

— Mohamed Samir (@Moh_S_Khedr) August 14, 2021

Do yourself a favor and look at front page of CNN and MSNBC.

FriscoKid said:

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this could not have gone down worse. where the hell is our president right now? the situation in Afghanistan is just unbelievably bad and our dear leader is no where to be found https://t.co/TTPAwbDFPM

— Jessica O’Donnell (@heckyessica) August 14, 2021

Get em Jess

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I can't express how angry/sad I am right now. I can't imagine being a parent of a fallen soldier from the last 20 years or a parent of a soldier getting deployed right now.

When the #Taliban were literally walking into provinces, Govt in #Kabul was busy making Twitter trends. Total collapse of #Afghan Army raises serious questions on Pres. #Ghani and his team’s capacity and capability. It does not even matter anymore if he resigns. #Afghanistan

— Adil Shahzeb (@adilshahzeb) August 14, 2021

Don’t know if it matters anymore to keeping up with this.
Either tonight or tomorrow morning, #Kabul will fall.

— Soleyman Mohammad (@paxsoleymana) August 14, 2021

Street fighting has begun in #Kabulhttps://t.co/Yk8vqla5j9

— Aspects of life (@Aspectsoflife03) August 14, 2021

Troutslime said:

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Do yourself a favor and look at front page of CNN and MSNBC.

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never.

Street fighting has begun in Kabul as the helicopters are trying to evacuate the US embassy...

CIA grossly miscalculated the rate of taleban advance and now a complete SNAFU is at the embassy.....😁

It seems August 15th, India's independence Day, is cursed for US too....😁 pic.twitter.com/0bXKIsPcoX

— Zaid Hamid (@ZaidZamanHamid) August 14, 2021

Seabreeze said:

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Don’t know if it matters anymore to keeping up with this.
Either tonight or tomorrow morning, #Kabul will fall.

— Soleyman Mohammad (@paxsoleymana) August 14, 2021

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From the timeline we have seen to date....undoubtedly.

From a pure objective viewpoint as a very amateur military history nut, it is rather fascinating as to how incredibly fast this thing completely collapsed.

This is what total and decisive victory looks like. Gonna go ahead and say it. This is Desert Storm level of coordination and speed. Crazy to think it was a terrorist organization that would be perpetuating it though.

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This is what total and decisive victory looks like. Gonna go ahead and say it. This is Desert Storm level of coordination and speed. Crazy to think it was a terrorist organization that would be perpetuating it though.

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20 years to plan for it and just wait for the right time.

You have to factor who they're up against. This ain't Trump.

That looks really bad if that's close to the embassy.

any blood is on Biden, this is on his watch he had plenty time to formulate an exit/evacuation plan....Total and complete miscalculation disaster.......

It's just another Saturday night per the Snapchat's from Kabul. It's like Americans care more than the Afghanis.

14.2 million women being forced back into covering themselves and not being allowed to work.

thanks Joe!

Q Mr. President, some Vietnamese veterans see echoes of their experience in this withdrawal in Afghanistan. Do you see any parallels between this withdrawal and what happened in Vietnam, with some people feeling

THE PRESIDENT: None whatsoever. Zero. What you had is you had entire brigades breaking through the gates of our embassy six, if I'm not mistaken.

The Taliban is not the south the North Vietnamese army. They're not they're not remotely comparable in terms of capability. There's going to be no circumstance where you see people being lifted off the roof of a embassy in the of the United States from Afghanistan. It is not at all comparable.

I remember reading a quote from a Taliban fighter saying "Americans might have watches, but we have the time."

Is Taliban smart enough to infiltrate a new Afghani government tricking everybody to get all the resources knowing eventually the US the will bounce. A new Taliban government has to be stronger now after the new infrastructure and weapons they got paid for by American tax payers.

Seabreeze said:

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I have a feeling many American lives will be lost tonight. I'm out guys, I can't post anymore. My blood is boiling and I feel sick. Say a prayer .

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It's very possible.

I see four five real possibilities here. Feel free anyone to counter or add.

In order of chaos:

• Taliban holds back and lets us leave
• Taliban closes with and skirmishes with our forces. Shoot a lot but never really pushes. We kill a lot of them and they kill a few of us. Normal status quo of the past 20 years.
• Taliban pushes but our blocking forces hold off indefinitely. Thinking like a Khe Sanh event. Hairy at times but we hold.
• Taliban pushes hard and fast and gets in and among our guys. Street level fighting a la Mogadishu circa '93. This type of fighting sucks and will lose a lot. Also chance of elements being overrun.
• Taliban pushes hard and fast and we collapse. Fall of Saigon Part 2. A lot of people die.
  

The biggest wildcard I think is two fold. How serious is the Taliban in trying to kill us and what our air situation looks like. It is no secret that our forces rely on air power to control our situation. If our air force is truly caught out of position and can't provide constant coverage at a tactical level.....odds trend downward for us very fast.

This sucks.

China is likely stoking this and Russia, I'm not so sure they are pleased. I am stunned that no one saw this coming - now they are sending in special forces? Barksdale should have been a damn hotbed a week ago. Flights outta Bragg, some ships en route. Something. Just pray China isn't setting up another geopolitical strongpoint.

Now is the time to embrace India, militarily and economically.

Taliban is going to do nothing to Americans. They've waited 20 years for us to leave. They can't be stupid enough to attack us as we are leaving.

Dan Scott said:

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Taliban is going to do nothing to Americans. They've waited 20 years for us to leave. They can't be stupid enough to attack us as we are leaving.

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My thoughts as well

Couldn't agree more.

The latter options churn my stomach. The power of combined arms flew out last month. AC-130s and a **** ton of drones are needed.

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Taliban is going to do nothing to Americans. They've waited 20 years for us to leave. They can't be stupid enough to attack us as we are leaving.

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easy to say, hard to execute in the fog of war at night without power and chaos of combat....I hope you are right

SexyAg said:

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Should roll some Spookys in to do some surgical work.

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From where? Diego Garcia will require inflight refueling.

black_ice said:

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Dan Scott said:

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Taliban is going to do nothing to Americans. They've waited 20 years for us to leave. They can't be stupid enough to attack us as we are leaving.

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My thoughts as well

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I suppose we have to hope they act rationally. But this is not a strategic professional military. This is a group of desperate hopeless people who are on an adrenaline high from kicking out the infidels in about 72 hours with little opposition

Dan Scott said:

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Taliban is going to do nothing to Americans. They've waited 20 years for us to leave. They can't be stupid enough to attack us as we are leaving.

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They could have waited 30 more days and we wouldn't have been there at all. Going now means they wanted us physically present when they took over.

The question now is why. Is it because they want to "show mercy" as we get out of Dodge, or is it because they want to begin their new reign with a decisive victory over American forces and a prison full of American hostages?

We'll know in a few hours.

The frustrating element is that these guys are riding in on mopeds and Toyotas, including menacing 4-door sedans. Little resistance from the Afghan troops that we've trained for the better part of 2 decades. I think we were expecting at least having another day or two to get out. At this point it is a matter of hours left.