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It appears that is not correct. Maricopa generates an EV33 for both received mail in ballots AND an in person early vote. Why they use the same form I have no idea. There appears to effectively be no way of tracking mail in ballots sent vs received. Given the massive increase in mail in voting, that's at best incompetence and negligence. However, it is the government so that seems a likely reason.

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I am not disputing what you say. I am pointing out how people are claiming the auditors said his was fraud. They didn't, they said it needs explanation.

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In case you were wondering how the #AZAudit hearing went, YouTube already took the video down.

That tells you all you need to know.

— Lauren Boebert (@laurenboebert) July 16, 2021

Big Tech removing video of a lawful a government proceeding. Totally healthy.

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Has no reasonably well off right-wing group formed that ever ongoing Archive yet? You need a group that that is all it does -- monitors broadcasts and posts that you can predict the Left Democrats will want taken down and saves them to pass around. Or if a new party forms, there should be a department of it dedicated to that task.

I think they need the VM-55 file and cross reference it with the EV32 and EV33.

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Voted File (VM-55) Approximately four weeks after each election, Maricopa County issues a Voted File (VM-55), which contains the names and addresses of the Scottsdale registered voters who cast ballots in that election, or who requested an early ballot but did not vote. Each entry is coded to indicate the manner in which the ballot was cast (e.g., at a polling location, by mail, at an early voting site, etc.).

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Far be from me to argue or dispute you but Cotton did say that the breach of registration database could be a jumper network to the main EMS system. If they accessed that, they could access whatever was connected to it on the same network?

Does that make sense to you?

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Looks like I have some catching up to do, but that is a very specific statement. He isn't speaking in generalities here stating an Emergency Management network was used to connect to these devices. Let me do some digging, but can you imagine? I cannot come up with a legitimate reason anyone would use an EMS network for ANYTHING legitimate other than emergency communication.

To answer your question with what I know. This is possible and I doubt he would make such a specific statement without proof.

EMS here is Election Management System.

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Far be from me to argue or dispute you but Cotton did say that the breach of registration database could be a jumper network to the main EMS system. If they accessed that, they could access whatever was connected to it on the same network?

Does that make sense to you?

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Looks like I have some catching up to do, but that is a very specific statement. He isn't speaking in generalities here stating an Emergency Management network was used to connect to these devices. Let me do some digging, but can you imagine? I cannot come up with a legitimate reason anyone would use an EMS network for ANYTHING legitimate other than emergency communication.

To answer your question with what I know. This is possible and I doubt he would make such a specific statement without proof.

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EMS is Election Management System not Emergency Medical Service. Sorry for the confusion.

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You did all this and not a radius/ise/tacacs server?

You didn't automate admin password changes 4 time a year?

I help manage 7000 switches and routers and a wireless system of over 8000 aps

Never once have I written a password on paper for any device

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Is it safe to say PCI-DSS, HIPAA, SecNumCloud, FedRamp, ISO, SOC, GDPR, etc. can be left off of his LinkedIn profile?

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EMS here is Election Management System.

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Hahaha! Thank you TRM and aggiehawg.

Kinda gives you insight into what this process has done to my mind. So used to be shocked I immediately go to the most "WTF" scenrio by default. Let me scale it back and do some self education on the statements.

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That's a God damned lie. I did not vote for Biden and never even considered the idea.

If you are so smart, why don't you try to solve that math problem I posed above?

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So we've reached the point in your meltdown where you post math problems again?

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In case it becomes an impasse, The limit of 1/x as x approaches infinity is 0.

Back to our regularly scheduled program.

keg? When you get a chance can you take a look at Runbeck Election Services and see if anything jumps out at you? Their web site has a lot of detailed information on their procedures, including spec sheets.

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Start HERE

Keegan99 said:

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In case you were wondering how the #AZAudit hearing went, YouTube already took the video down.

That tells you all you need to know.

— Lauren Boebert (@laurenboebert) July 16, 2021

Big Tech removing video of a lawful a government proceeding. Totally healthy.

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I've posted this before, but it helps in trying to understand what was stated in yesterday's hearing. If you didn't get a chance to see yesterday's fireworks, watch this.

Good timing, have an hour until next call.

In short, your concerns are valid. If you listen for about 1-2 minutes of this video starting at the 2:05 mark. The Runbeck COO describes the process.

• PDF of ballot is created by election board and sent to Runbeck via SFTP
• Runbeck creates the ballots, specs, barcodes, envelops, etc
• Runbeck receives voter info and addresses
• For mail in ballots, they print, fold, and stuff ballots and tie each to a voter in the list (the exact amount, no more, no less)
• once printed, stuffed and sealed, they have AI to weigh and compare barcodes, voter, etc so they know everything matches what they stored in their database
• Ballots are then delivered directly to USPS

Once the voter fills out and sends back, they go back to Runbeck first, not to MCB.

• They are put back through the Agilis sorter
• Weighed and validated (this time with signature)
• Sorted into two categories (valid and challenged)
• Sent to MCB for tabulation

So, in short, there should be absolutely ZERO chance 74,000 more mail in ballots received than delivered. Runbeck knows how many were requested and how many were printed. Based upon their process, you couldn't print a mail in ballot without a voter name and address, so there should be no "do-overs", or spares/blank ballots Definitely something to audit.

Interesting. Someone's got some explaining to do. So when and where did the 74,000 extra ballots first show up? At Runbeck? or after?

A few things to add:

1) They only print the exact number requested
2) They receive a voter DB and assign a "unique" ballot per voter
3) They have the ability to determine if voter A's ballot was mailed back in voter B's envelope both before it is mailed out and after it is received back

So, for such thorough process of ballot generation, delivery, sorting, and receipt. How in the every living, ever loving hell is there not logic in a damn tabulator capable of catching duplicate scans? Also, how could you not quickly/easily compare the number printed, voters who mailed them back from Runbeck, with number scanned and voters scanned?

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Interesting. Someone's got some explaining to do. So when and where did the 74,000 extra ballots first show up? At Runbeck? or after?

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Shouldn't be possible unless MCB has the Sentio printing systems to do their own, outside of Runbeck control.

EDIT: actually, that isn't even possible since this just prints ballots and no mailers, pouches, etc.....unless, there the number of ballots missing chain of custody items just happens to be 74,000 or greater

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In short, your concerns are valid. If you listen for about 1-2 minutes of this video starting at the 2:05 mark. The Runbeck COO describes the process.

• PDF of ballot is created by election board and sent to Runbeck via SFTP
• Runbeck creates the ballots, specs, barcodes, envelops, etc
• Runbeck receives voter info and addresses
• For mail in ballots, they print, fold, and stuff ballots and tie each to a voter in the list (the exact amount, no more, no less)
• once printed, stuffed and sealed, they have AI to weigh and compare barcodes, voter, etc so they know everything matches what they stored in their database
• Ballots are then delivered directly to USPS

Once the voter fills out and sends back, they go back to Runbeck first, not to MCB.

• They are put back through the Agilis sorter
• Weighed and validated (this time with signature)
• Sorted into two categories (valid and challenged)
• Sent to MCB for tabulation

So, in short, there should be absolutely ZERO chance 74,000 more mail in ballots received than delivered. Runbeck knows how many were requested and how many were printed. Based upon their process, you couldn't print a mail in ballot without a voter name and address, so there should be no "do-overs", or spares/blank ballots Definitely something to audit.

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Thanks for doing that. Wasn't sure I was understanding their processes fully.

With that heavy of an involvement by a third party private vendor, I would want to see their employee list and all of the background checks they did on each employee. (I believe they have over 180 employees.)

But it also raises the question. WTH do any of the election officials actually do to earn their salaries? Besides handing out money to third party vendors, that is. Who audits Runbeck???

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A few things to add:

1) They only print the exact number requested
2) They receive a voter DB and assign a "unique" ballot per voter
3) They have the ability to determine if voter A's ballot was mailed back in voter B's envelope both before it is mailed out and after it is received back

So, for such thorough process of ballot generation, delivery, sorting, and receipt. How in the every living, ever loving hell is there not logic in a damn tabulator capable of catching duplicate scans? Also, how could you not quickly/easily compare the number printed, voters who mailed them back from Runbeck, with number scanned and voters scanned?

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Runbeck has been keeping their heads down as far as I can tell. But seems to me they have answers to many questions.

I read an article interviewing the CEO at Runbeck from September 2020. Several years back, they had a screw up that only affected 1,000 ballots before they caught it and corrected it. The CEO was kind of complaining about how much grief the local media gave him over that one.

Seems to me reporters should be camped out at the end of his driveway every morning to ask questions as he's going to work. And then waiting for him in the parking lot when he gets to work.

But Bennett should know all about Runbeck from his time as Sec of State. That is confusing to me. Why isn't Runbeck even being mentioned?

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Interesting. Someone's got some explaining to do. So when and where did the 74,000 extra ballots first show up? At Runbeck? or after?

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Shouldn't be possible unless MCB has the Sentio printing systems to do their own, outside of Runbeck control.

EDIT: actually, that isn't even possible since this just prints ballots and no mailers, pouches, etc.....unless, there the number of ballots missing chain of custody items just happens to be 74,000 or greater

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So where are the ballots? Shouldn't this be really easy, although perhaps time consuming, to figure out?

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But Bennett should know all about Runbeck from his time as Sec of State. That is confusing to me. Why isn't Runbeck even being mentioned?

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To be honest, based on their documentation, specs sheets, process, etc. It appears to me they might be the only one with their **** together. The end to end process looks solid. I would like to read more about how what other tamper-proofing they have beyond the one-voter to unique-barcode process. Say, for an example, a tamper proof seal that you could tell if an envelope was opened/resealed.

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So where are the ballots? Shouldn't this be really easy, although time consuming, to figure out?

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Well, in deference to the all-knowing-contributor, I am not an audit/election expert. So I am not trained in the myriad of ways you could screw up this process so bad.

I am going to go on record and say regardless of the final details, EVERY SINGLE election official should be fired. They are either dirty or insanely incompetent. Claiming this is "gross negligence" is an insult to "gross negligence."

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But Bennett should know all about Runbeck from his time as Sec of State. That is confusing to me. Why isn't Runbeck even being mentioned?

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To be honest, based on their documentation, specs sheets, process, etc. It appears to me they might be the only one with their **** together. The end to end process looks solid. I would like to read more about how what other tamper-proofing they have beyond the one-voter to unique-barcode process. Say, for an example, a tamper proof seal that you could tell if an envelope was opened/resealed.

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They even weigh the batch of ballots to make absolutely sure that the right number are going in the mail.

Sorry to say, but it really doesn't matter what evidence/proof comes out of this, you will never get the mainstream media to report on it and they will bury it as much as possible. The powers to be will not let this gain national attention. I'm fully convinced even if it magically came back black and white that Trump won that absolutely nothing would happen due to the media and now government crooks in power. It's been said many times before in here, we are rapidly becoming a banana republic.

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Sorry to say, but it really doesn't matter what evidence/proof comes out of this, you will never get the mainstream media to report on it and they will bury it as much as possible. The powers to be will not let this gain national attention. I'm fully convinced even if it magically came back black and white that Trump won that absolutely nothing would happen due to the media and now government crooks in power. It's been said many times before in here, we are rapidly becoming a banana republic.

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Yeah, we should just roll over and let them take it.

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Sorry to say, but it really doesn't matter what evidence/proof comes out of this, you will never get the mainstream media to report on it and they will bury it as much as possible. The powers to be will not let this gain national attention. I'm fully convinced even if it magically came back black and white that Trump won that absolutely nothing would happen due to the media and now government crooks in power. It's been said many times before in here, we are rapidly becoming a banana republic.

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I don't think this is the only possible outcome. Right now, I think it's likely the media itself has been conditioned by the Democrats to think Democrats = good, Republicans = bad, because the Democrats are so good and the Republicans are so bad at messaging. But if the media starts to think the Democrats have been lying to them the whole time, you could see a shift back to a more impartial press. Much like what I hope happens with the black vote. I blame Republicans just as much as Democrats for this situation because of their incompetence at messaging.

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Sorry to say, but it really doesn't matter what evidence/proof comes out of this, you will never get the mainstream media to report on it and they will bury it as much as possible. The powers to be will not let this gain national attention. I'm fully convinced even if it magically came back black and white that Trump won that absolutely nothing would happen due to the media and now government crooks in power. It's been said many times before in here, we are rapidly becoming a banana republic.

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I don't think this is the only possible outcome. Right now, I think it's likely the media itself has been conditioned by the Democrats to think Democrats = good, Republicans = bad, because the Democrats are so good and the Republicans are so bad at messaging.

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Let me help you out.

Media = Democrats

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But Bennett should know all about Runbeck from his time as Sec of State. That is confusing to me. Why isn't Runbeck even being mentioned?

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To be honest, based on their documentation, specs sheets, process, etc. It appears to me they might be the only one with their **** together. The end to end process looks solid. I would like to read more about how what other tamper-proofing they have beyond the one-voter to unique-barcode process. Say, for an example, a tamper proof seal that you could tell if an envelope was opened/resealed.

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I think Runbeck's time in the sun will come when the ballot tally from the audit is released and compared to the certified count for Maricopa.

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I don't think this is the only possible outcome. Right now, I think it's likely the media itself has been conditioned by the Democrats to think Democrats = good, Republicans = bad, because the Democrats are so good and the Republicans are so bad at messaging. But if the media starts to think the Democrats have been lying to them the whole time, you could see a shift back to a more impartial press. Much like what I hope happens with the black vote. I blame Republicans just as much as Democrats for this situation because of their incompetence at messaging.

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This is absurd. 23 years ago Bill Clinton lied to the media, repeatedly, about his affair with Monica. They still went to bat for him. They are all in on whatever lies Biden, Kamala, Fauci etc want to tell. They have become publicity agents for Democrats: downplaying or ignoring the negative while promoting anything positive. They relentlessly attack anyone that questions leftist narratives.

They wholeheartedly participated in the RUSSIA! hoax, even after discovering it's origins. You're crazy if you think they mind being lied to by Dems. They WANT to be lied to, it gives them cover.

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Sorry to say, but it really doesn't matter what evidence/proof comes out of this, you will never get the mainstream media to report on it and they will bury it as much as possible. The powers to be will not let this gain national attention. I'm fully convinced even if it magically came back black and white that Trump won that absolutely nothing would happen due to the media and now government crooks in power. It's been said many times before in here, we are rapidly becoming a banana republic.

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I don't think this is the only possible outcome. Right now, I think it's likely the media itself has been conditioned by the Democrats to think Democrats = good, Republicans = bad, because the Democrats are so good and the Republicans are so bad at messaging.

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Let me help you out.

Media = Democrats

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Media = establishment

Establishment has both dems and repubs in it. We've really got to get past the fake teamsports we've been offered and identify the people actually screwing us over.

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I don't think this is the only possible outcome. Right now, I think it's likely the media itself has been conditioned by the Democrats to think Democrats = good, Republicans = bad, because the Democrats are so good and the Republicans are so bad at messaging. But if the media starts to think the Democrats have been lying to them the whole time, you could see a shift back to a more impartial press. Much like what I hope happens with the black vote. I blame Republicans just as much as Democrats for this situation because of their incompetence at messaging.

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This is absurd. 23 years ago Bill Clinton lied to the media, repeatedly, about his affair with Monica. They still went to bat for him. They are all in on whatever lies Biden, Kamala, Fauci etc want to tell. They have become publicity agents for Democrats: downplaying or ignoring the negative while promoting anything positive. They relentlessly attack anyone that questions leftist narratives.

They wholeheartedly participated in the RUSSIA! hoax, even after discovering it's origins. You're crazy if you think they mind being lied to by Dems. They WANT to be lied to, it gives them cover.

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The Obama administration openly spied on reporters including hacking their devices while at major networks. The thought that oh Democrat politicians are lying to me will somehow provoke more outrage than these Democrat politicians are invading my/my colleagues privacy and hacking my/my colleagues devices is risible. Utter fantasy.

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I don't think this is the only possible outcome. Right now, I think it's likely the media itself has been conditioned by the Democrats to think Democrats = good, Republicans = bad, because the Democrats are so good and the Republicans are so bad at messaging. But if the media starts to think the Democrats have been lying to them the whole time, you could see a shift back to a more impartial press. Much like what I hope happens with the black vote. I blame Republicans just as much as Democrats for this situation because of their incompetence at messaging.

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This is absurd. 23 years ago Bill Clinton lied to the media, repeatedly, about his affair with Monica. They still went to bat for him. They are all in on whatever lies Biden, Kamala, Fauci etc want to tell. They have become publicity agents for Democrats: downplaying or ignoring the negative while promoting anything positive. They relentlessly attack anyone that questions leftist narratives.

They wholeheartedly participated in the RUSSIA! hoax, even after discovering it's origins. You're crazy if you think they mind being lied to by Dems. They WANT to be lied to, it gives them cover.

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Not only that, the media actively participated in the Russia hoax, coordinating their coverage to do the most damage even though they knew, and their corrupt sources knew it was false. Likely they know the same about the election fraud. They're an active participant and the idea they'll turn on the Dems for lying to them is ridiculous.

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I don't see this ever happening as there agendas are in lock step. I have seen too many emails, leaked audio, etc where media execs, editors, etc. are openly choosing what to show/print vs what to ignore/block. Reuters and AP aren't even impartial news services anymore.

Just look at this **** the AP has for today....

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-business-government-and-politics-election-2020-3d446757e4d708bf4193b357997efc08

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The centrist president listened

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The deal was the product of mutual trust and common interest notably to help the working class, but also to show that government can work and perhaps to restore some faith in democracy after the turbulent Trump era.

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a president who won over American voters with a calmly reassuring nod to traditional governing,

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and this is supposed to be a news wire service, dealing in fact based reporting.

HO. LY. ****.

That's a real article?

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Sorry to say, but it really doesn't matter what evidence/proof comes out of this, you will never get the mainstream media to report on it and they will bury it as much as possible. The powers to be will not let this gain national attention. I'm fully convinced even if it magically came back black and white that Trump won that absolutely nothing would happen due to the media and now government crooks in power. It's been said many times before in here, we are rapidly becoming a banana republic.

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I don't think this is the only possible outcome. Right now, I think it's likely the media itself has been conditioned by the Democrats to think Democrats = good, Republicans = bad, because the Democrats are so good and the Republicans are so bad at messaging.

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Let me help you out.

Media = Democrats

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Media = establishment

Establishment has both dems and repubs in it. We've really got to get past the fake teamsports we've been offered and identify the people actually screwing us over.

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The old 60's beatniks had that right in a way it turns outs, they were just ahead of their time. It is the case now. The overwhelming majority of the press and political class are parasitical in motive. We fixed the Keg's post of the ap article is just another that shows what shysters they are.