I didn't see this discussed during the constitutional carry convos here (maybe I overlooked it)...

Part of law was about silencers made in TX and not leaving the state are not subject to federal law.

Found that interesting.

https://capitol.texas.gov/BillLookup/History.aspx?LegSess=87R&Bill=HB957

Clob94 said:

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Tomato/Tomato

I was just following wording in article I was reading

Aggie4Life02 said:

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What's Texas going to do when the ATF starts arresting people anyway?

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Apparently KS passed something similar, and a few people have been caught between state law and fed authorities...on going litigation.

https://apnews.com/article/9ceea4a07d094163a8df79099824584b

AggieKatie2 said:

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Clob94 said:

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Tomato/Tomato

I was just following wording in article I was reading

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Just bustin your chops.

My understanding currently is that all materials must be sourced from texas, the equipment that makes the suppressor must be from Texas. Etc. I don't think this will actually be a thing unfortunately

I'm a posh urban sophisticate who abhors firearms and the rubes who use them.

But hypothetically, if I were the kind of person who liked guns, I would definitely be looking at buying a Texas made suppressor in person, and with cash. I'm just curious if any companies will be able to make and sell them without incurring federal wrath.

AggieKatie2 said:

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Aggie4Life02 said:

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What's Texas going to do when the ATF starts arresting people anyway?

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Apparently KS passed something similar, and a few people have been caught between state law and fed authorities...on going litigation.

https://apnews.com/article/9ceea4a07d094163a8df79099824584b

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I don't know where yall are hanging out, but federal agents don't get close to me. I would have a better chance getting struck by lighting then running into a fed.

Clob94 said:

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My friends neighbor said that the atf calls them silencers on the form 4. I don't know what that means, just what I heard from a guy

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AggieKatie2 said:

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Aggie4Life02 said:

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What's Texas going to do when the ATF starts arresting people anyway?

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Apparently KS passed something similar, and a few people have been caught between state law and fed authorities...on going litigation.

https://apnews.com/article/9ceea4a07d094163a8df79099824584b

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I don't know where yall are hanging out, but federal agents don't get close to me. I would have a better chance getting struck by lighting then running into a fed.

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My friends neighbor also shoot a lot at public ranges and whatnot, with suppressors/silencers/binary/etc, and has never had anyone question him/her

The feds are going to enforce federal law even if state LE doesn't help them. "Made in Texas" suppressors will still be illegal federally. I feel sorry for the test case in Texas who doesn't understand this and is going to be convicted of violating the NFA. Happened in Kansas...

https://apnews.com/article/91541e86b9894ef28db49c75c52c3461

Scud Runner said:

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agsalaska said:

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AggieKatie2 said:

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Aggie4Life02 said:

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What's Texas going to do when the ATF starts arresting people anyway?

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Apparently KS passed something similar, and a few people have been caught between state law and fed authorities...on going litigation.

https://apnews.com/article/9ceea4a07d094163a8df79099824584b

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I don't know where yall are hanging out, but federal agents don't get close to me. I would have a better chance getting struck by lighting then running into a fed.

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My friends neighbor also shoot a lot at public ranges and whatnot, with suppressors/silencers/binary/etc, and has never had anyone question him/her

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I've rarely shot at public ranges w/o the shop/range master asking for papers when shooting NFA. An FFL holder isn't going to allow someone to shoot an unlicensed NFA device on their property.

txyaloo said:

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The feds are going to enforce federal law even if state LE doesn't help them. "Made in Texas" suppressors will still be illegal federally. I feel sorry for the test case in Texas who doesn't understand this and is going to be convicted of violating the NFA. Happened in Kansas...

https://apnews.com/article/91541e86b9894ef28db49c75c52c3461

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Yea. But where in TF are you going to run into a fed?

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Scud Runner said:

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agsalaska said:

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AggieKatie2 said:

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Aggie4Life02 said:

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What's Texas going to do when the ATF starts arresting people anyway?

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Apparently KS passed something similar, and a few people have been caught between state law and fed authorities...on going litigation.

https://apnews.com/article/9ceea4a07d094163a8df79099824584b

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I don't know where yall are hanging out, but federal agents don't get close to me. I would have a better chance getting struck by lighting then running into a fed.

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My friends neighbor also shoot a lot at public ranges and whatnot, with suppressors/silencers/binary/etc, and has never had anyone question him/her

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I've rarely shot at public ranges w/o the shop/range master asking for papers when shooting NFA. An FFL holder isn't going to allow someone to shoot an unlicensed NFA device on their property.

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So you shoot a lot of NFA?

How many times have you run into Feds?

Need a suppressor for my newly built AR that was lost in a boating accident.

Scud Runner said:

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Clob94 said:

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My friends neighbor said that the atf calls them silencers on the form 4. I don't know what that means, just what I heard from a guy

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It's really just an argument that's gone on for a while. You can't completely silence the sound of an explosion of gun powder in a tightly contained space. You can reduce the sound of a bullet that snaps when in breaks the sound barrier by reducing the amount of powder you use in the casing thus making it so the bullet does not travel past 1125 feet per second. Those rounds are called sub-sonic. You can even "wet" your suppressor which helps lower the flash and reduces the sound slightly. But you can't truly "silence" a gun shot.

I've shot nfa items at dozens of public ranges and never been asked for papers.

If you have to "lose it" it's time to start using it

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I've shot nfa items at dozens of public ranges and never been asked for papers.

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If the local industry is actually allowed to produce and sell silencers there will be 0 the Feds can do about it. I am sure they will use it as an add on charge when arresting people for other things. But if suppressors become anywhere close to mainstream in Texas they will be perfectly safe to use with zero fear of feds.

And I 100% expect them to become widely available within the next twelve months.

Is this a commerce clause issue?

Why would silencers made in Texas that stay in Texas hypothetically not be subject to federal law?

Clob94 said:

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Scud Runner said:

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Clob94 said:

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My friends neighbor said that the atf calls them silencers on the form 4. I don't know what that means, just what I heard from a guy

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It's really just an argument that's gone on for a while. You can't completely silence the sound of an explosion of gun powder in a tightly contained space. You can reduce the sound of a bullet that snaps when in breaks the sound barrier by reducing the amount of powder you use in the casing thus making it so the bullet does not travel past 1125 feet per second. Those rounds are called sub-sonic. You can even "wet" your suppressor which helps lower the flash and reduces the sound slightly. But you can't truly "silence" a gun shot.

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I completely understand what you're saying but the official batfe language on the licensing form says "silencer". It's baffling (pun intended)

txyaloo said:

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Scud Runner said:

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AggieKatie2 said:

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Aggie4Life02 said:

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What's Texas going to do when the ATF starts arresting people anyway?

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Apparently KS passed something similar, and a few people have been caught between state law and fed authorities...on going litigation.

https://apnews.com/article/9ceea4a07d094163a8df79099824584b

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I don't know where yall are hanging out, but federal agents don't get close to me. I would have a better chance getting struck by lighting then running into a fed.

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My friends neighbor also shoot a lot at public ranges and whatnot, with suppressors/silencers/binary/etc, and has never had anyone question him/her

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I've rarely shot at public ranges w/o the shop/range master asking for papers when shooting NFA. An FFL holder isn't going to allow someone to shoot an unlicensed NFA device on their property.

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Never ever been asked about paperwork on all types of ranges around Houston, East Texas, or San Antonio. I'm not sayin', I'm just saying.

Stasco said:

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I'm a posh urban sophisticate who abhors firearms and the rubes who use them.

But hypothetically, if I were the kind of person who liked guns, I would definitely be looking at buying a Texas made suppressor in person, and with cash. I'm just curious if any companies will be able to make and sell them without incurring federal wrath.

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What is your address and do you have good stuff? Asking for a guy on the street corner who desperately needs money.

I call them suppressors most of the time but they're really called silencers. The original silencer (maxim) is called a silencer, not a suppressor. I assume suppressor came about to pander to liberals who think silence is scary.

Clob94 said:

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AggieKatie2 said:

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Clob94 said:

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Tomato/Tomato

I was just following wording in article I was reading

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Just bustin your chops.

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I love using a silencer so I don't have to wear earmuffs when I empty my clip.

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Stasco said:

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I'm a posh urban sophisticate who abhors firearms and the rubes who use them.

But hypothetically, if I were the kind of person who liked guns, I would definitely be looking at buying a Texas made suppressor in person, and with cash. I'm just curious if any companies will be able to make and sell them without incurring federal wrath.

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What is your address and do you have good stuff? Asking for a guy on the street corner who desperately needs money.

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Not today, ATF man.

Stasco said:

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I'm a posh urban sophisticate who abhors firearms and the rubes who use them.

But hypothetically, if I were the kind of person who liked guns, I would definitely be looking at buying a Texas made suppressor in person, and with cash. I'm just curious if any companies will be able to make and sell them without incurring federal wrath.

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Tennis ball can
Spray foam
Pipe clamp

Bring the wrath.

BusterAg said:

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Is this a commerce clause issue?

Why would silencers made in Texas that stay in Texas hypothetically not be subject to federal law?

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Yes. Anyone thinking that making the whole thing inside Texas exempts it from federal law is kidding themselves. There is well established precedent that just impacting a market in another state because you have created an alternative for consumers in your state constitutes interstate commerce. These attorneys who created this bill know that.

Aggie4Life02 said:

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What's Texas going to do when the ATF starts arresting people anyway?

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Law does not go into effect into after court case with feds is my understanding