The second guy really reminds me of Lt. Kent Gregory,

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Their departure time was in the middle of the night. Did they take on avgas instead of Jet A by mistake?

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You do realize the pilots don't drive up to a self serve gas station and pump their own gas?

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Their departure time was in the middle of the night. Did they take on avgas instead of Jet A by mistake?

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You do realize the pilots don't drive up to a self serve gas station and pump their own gas?

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Edit: here's a paper on it...

https://www.nata.aero/assets/Site_18/files/Safety%201st%20documents/DEF%20Contamination_NATA%20News_5_23_19.pdf

Of course, but I do wonder about who's running the fuel truck, or who filled the truck previously whilst on the graveyard shift. There have also been documented instances of aircraft fuel contamination by other substances present on the ramp for ground service vehicles (DEF in particular). My bet is still a fuel issue of some sort.

CanyonAg77 said:

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GAC06 said:

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Fuel and souls on board is so freaking dumb. Fix it, FAA

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Curious why that bugs you and your alternative.

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It's pointless information that only distracts a task saturated crew. It's useless. Fuel and souls on board makes no difference in ATC handling. So we had a controller stepping on transmissions already but also demanding useless information.

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If I hear the recording at 1:07 + , they were cleared back to base, but indicated they needed time to run check lists. Does that sound correct?

Ugh.

At the very end, when ATC was indicating the freq to click on the runway lights for the field to their north, those guys still seem awfully cool, calm, and collected.

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Barbers point is the other field, great little airport

SpreadsheetAg said:

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Wonder what the cargo was?

Amazon packages?

Maricopa County ballots?

Iranian money delivery?

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It probably had something to do with Hunter Biden.

GAC06 said:

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CanyonAg77 said:

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GAC06 said:

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Fuel and souls on board is so freaking dumb. Fix it, FAA

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Curious why that bugs you and your alternative.

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It's pointless information that only distracts a task saturated crew. It's useless. Fuel and souls on board makes no difference in ATC handling. So we had a controller stepping on transmissions already but also demanding useless information.

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I wouldn't say totally useless. I'm sure the rescuers using night vision goggles out in the ocean appreciated knowing they were looking for specifically 2 people. Not 1 or 3 or 150. That's helpful.

I do agree that info could be delivered in a much more efficient way than asking for souls on the plane while the pilots are already very busy trying to save it.

SpreadsheetAg said:

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Wonder what the cargo was?

Amazon packages?

Maricopa County ballots?

Iranian money delivery?

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ballots probably

I always like the spin.

Newsflash

Water Landing = Crash

nortex97 said:

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SpreadsheetAg said:

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Wonder what the cargo was?

Amazon packages?

Maricopa County ballots?

Iranian money delivery?

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It probably had something to do with Hunter Biden.

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Or Trump's Russia collusion

Way back about 40 years ago, I was in Undergraduate Navigator Training, and our primary training aircraft was the T-43, which was a modified 737-200.

Wiki says the Air Force took delivery of 19 of those aircraft in 1974.

That -200 that went into the water was an old bird with lots of hours, I'd imagine. Of course, that's not to say how many hours were on those particular engines, or how good that company's maintenance procedures are.

Hope those pilots heal up well. Sounds like they did a great job under the circumstances.

Pressing to get back to HNL may have put people in the flight path in danger.

A successful night water landing.

Good job, gentlemen.

Any landing you can walk swim away from is a good landing.

Sounds like one pilot was hanging on to the tail.

One was hanging on to floating boxes.

A night they will never forget.

SpreadsheetAg said:

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Wonder what the cargo was?

Amazon packages?

Maricopa County ballots?

Iranian money delivery?

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You forgot:

All of the above (+) My firearms?