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The Turkish DNA Project, an online endeavor to track Turkish genetics, is enraged at the popular genealogy site Ancestry.com and has called for it to be boycotted for stating an inconvenient truth: many, and possibly most, modern Turks are the descendants of the Greeks who once formed the overwhelming majority of the population of the land that is now Turkey. In this as in so many other instances, the truth hurts, but that doesn't make it any less the truth.

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Greek City Times explained that the Turkish group was enraged "because Ancestry.com correctly highlighted that many Turkish citizens are indeed mostly unrelated to Turkic peoples from Central Asia and are rather native Anatolian people that have been Turkified.Ancestry.com highlighted that after the Ottoman conquest of Pontos in today's Turkey's southeastern Black Sea coast, the "Pontian Greeks adopted Turkish language and culture, and many converted to Islam in order to have greater opportunities in Turkish society. Ancestry.com also highlighted that another round of Turkification of Pontian Greeks occurred after the second Russo-Turkish War (1828-29)."

This is not at all surprising, and nowhere even close to a false claim. Throughout history, when Muslims have conquered an area, they relegate the non-Muslims to second-class status, denying them numerous rights and mandating that they pay a tax, the jizya, for the privilege of practicing their religions without being killed. There is one easy way for the subjugated dhimmis to escape this state of humiliation and degradation: they can convert to Islam.

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Greek City Times reported that the Turkish DNA Project tweeted: "AncestryDNA prioritizes to demonize the Turkish people and delegitimaze [sic] their presence in Turkey rather than giving information about the genetic structure of the relevant population." The Turkish DNA Project called upon "all Turks to boycott this company: Ancestry."

After Greek City Times called attention to the tweet, the Turkish DNA Project took it down, but it still has up a retweet calling for a boycott of Ancestry.com, as well as a tweet fulminating with incandescent rage against Greek City Times' Athens Bureau chief Paul Antopoulos, whom it calls a "white supremacist." Very original line of attack you got there, guys.

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That's hilarious. They should take solace that they are more successful and prosperous than sh^thole Greece though.

Do people learn history anymore? How can this come as a surprise. I guess ignorance is bliss until the truth hits you in the face

I don't blame the Turks. I'd be equally as pissed if I found out my family came from Oklahoma.

Funny stuff. Though to be fair the Greeks would absolutely blow a gasket if you suggested they were descended from Turks. Or Albanians. Look at how they flipped out over the "Macedonian" thing. The Bulgarians on the other hand would vehemently deny there was even such a thing as a Macedonian and that they're really Bulgarians.

People get irrationally pissed off about stuff like that in that part of the world.

Another great reason to avoid going down a DNA rabbit hole with an uncertain destination/outcome.

May be good for folks in that region to realize they are more related than they are willing to admit.

The issue is the intolerance they live with 100% of the time over there will not allow them to see the truth. We have some of the same here.

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May be good for folks in that region to realize they are more related than they are willing to admit.

The issue is the intolerance they live with 100% of the time over there will not allow them to see the truth. We have some of the same here.

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Identity politics is just another form of tribalism.

Food in Greece


Food in Turkey


Sorry, not seeing it.

From what I remember of Greek history, Greeks settled the western coastline of Turkey. They had several revolts which led to the Persian invasion of Greece.

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Another great reason to avoid going down a DNA rabbit hole with an uncertain destination/outcome.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6010187/Marvin-Humes-discovers-ancestors-slave-owners-Think-Are.html

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sharpdressedman said:

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Another great reason to avoid going down a DNA rabbit hole with an uncertain destination/outcome.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6010187/Marvin-Humes-discovers-ancestors-slave-owners-Think-Are.html

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I am pretty confident that liberal politicians just "won't go there."

Is Ancestry the site where one of the employees said they routinely throw in black DNA for the white customers in a bid to "increase tolerance" or some such?

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Is Ancestry the site where one of the employees said they routinely throw in black DNA for the white customers in a bid to "increase tolerance" or some such?

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I was about to make the comment that maybe Turkey has a legitimate complaint considering we know these companies spike your results to meet a political agenda.

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From what I remember of Greek history, Greeks settled the western coastline of Turkey between 20,000 and 2,000 BCE. They were conquered between 559 and 486 BCE by Persia, then subsequently had several revolts which led to the Persian invasion of Greece.

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FIFY

Are Turks ever not mad? Do Turks have another mode?

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Do people learn history anymore? How can this come as a surprise. I guess ignorance is bliss until the truth hits you in the face

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The Ottomans shouldn't have enslaved so many Greeks.

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Is Ancestry the site where one of the employees said they routinely throw in black DNA for the white customers in a bid to "increase tolerance" or some such?

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That's gonna backfire when a bunch of white people get some sweet government reparations checks.

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Throughout history, when Muslims have conquered an area, they relegate the non-Muslims to second-class status, denying them numerous rights and mandating that they pay a tax, the jizya, for the privilege of practicing their religions without being killed. There is one easy way for the subjugated dhimmis to escape this state of humiliation and degradation: they can convert to Islam.

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The Religion of Liberalism is using the exact same tactic today

Jayhawk said:

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Are Turks ever not mad? Do Turks have another mode?

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You'd be pissed too if your entire history was one genocide after another followed by massive brain washing and an erasure of your history

Jayhawk said:

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Are Turks ever not mad? Do Turks have another mode?

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As a guy married to a Turkish woman, I can verify Turks are always mad

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Jayhawk said:

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Are Turks ever not mad? Do Turks have another mode?

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As a guy married to a Turkish woman, I can verify Turks are always mad

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Well done, sir.

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Bidens leg hairs said:

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From what I remember of Greek history, Greeks settled the western coastline of Turkey between 20,000 and 2,000 BCE. They were conquered between 559 and 486 BCE by Persia, then subsequently had several revolts which led to the Persian invasion of Greece.

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You da man.

Post World War I history of Turkey and Greece is pretty fascinating as well. Mustafa Kemal may be the only example of someone who turned around a dying empire on a dime. From what I remember from college lectures, Mustafa Kemal surprisingly drove the Greeks out of Turkey after being left for dead and everyone assumed they could take a little slice of the Ottoman Empire.

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Jayhawk said:

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Are Turks ever not mad? Do Turks have another mode?

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As a guy married to a Turkish woman, I can verify Turks are always mad

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Greek women are no picnic either. Sure she isn't Greek?

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Fritter said:

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Jayhawk said:

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Are Turks ever not mad? Do Turks have another mode?

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As a guy married to a Turkish woman, I can verify Turks are always mad

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Greek women are no picnic either. Sure she isn't Greek?

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This. My wife's former departmental secretary was Greek and always going on about internecine fighting in the local Greek community: extramarital affairs, cheating at business, etc. She and her family saw My Big Fat Greek Wedding and said that movie nailed reality about Greeks.

aggiehawg said:

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Fritter said:

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Are Turks ever not mad? Do Turks have another mode?

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As a guy married to a Turkish woman, I can verify Turks are always mad

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Greek women are no picnic either. Sure she isn't Greek?

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Haha funny story. She actually tried the ancestry dna test three times. They could never get it to work. It worked for me on the first try. After the third try ancestry just refunded us the money.

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aggiehawg said:

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Fritter said:

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Jayhawk said:

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Are Turks ever not mad? Do Turks have another mode?

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As a guy married to a Turkish woman, I can verify Turks are always mad

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Greek women are no picnic either. Sure she isn't Greek?

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This. My wife's former departmental secretary was Greek and always going on about internecine fighting in the local Greek community: extramarital affairs, cheating at business, etc. She and her family saw My Big Fat Greek Wedding and said that movie nailed reality about Greeks.

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Isn't it interesting how different the med cultures are from northern European?

Now the flip side is an essay that Theodore Dalrymple had about British and Italian workers.
https://www.city-journal.org/html/uses-corruption-12180.html

Essentially, his thesis is that because Northern Europeans had governments with little corruption that people trusted, the spirit of the people was crushed.

Italians, Greeks, etc. absolutely do not trust the government so they hustle, bribe, and do whatever to get their way; they don't sit back if the government or some public official tells them that 100,000 migrants from some Islamic country are coming in.

Meanwhile the Swedes, Germans, British sit back and watch as their countries are flooded with outsiders who do not share their history or values; those citizens think that's just the way it has to be because the government said so, and no point in trying to bribe or change that.

Turkish response looks petty but on second thought it's really a sign how much hate they have for 'others'

if they were white and living in America they'd be called savage racists

Strong government and strong family / tribal structures seem to be kind of mutually exclusive.

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Strong government and strong family / tribal structures seem to be kind of mutually exclusive.

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Yeah, reading the book Quest for Community blew my mind because it tied the growth of government to the growth of individualism (and vice versa).

In American politics we often see them as opposites. But really their power has grown together, at the expense of all the intermediary institutions and cultural/societal traditions that used to give people meaning.

How do these DNA sites know they're accurate? Where do they get their base level or "person zero" DNA from?

If I was one of the first people in the system and said I was of ____ origin, but was either lying or mistaken, is it really the case that all others could be incorrect? I mean, yeah, I know its MUCH more substantial that that (I only use that small example for illustration) but seriously: what is the basis for verifying the underlying data?

Incidentally, there are many others who, if this stuff IS accurate, are going to not like what they find.

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How do these DNA sites know they're accurate? Where do they get their base level or "person zero" DNA from?

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Funny stuff. Though to be fair the Greeks would absolutely blow a gasket if you suggested they were descended from Turks. Or Albanians. Look at how they flipped out over the "Macedonian" thing. The Bulgarians on the other hand would vehemently deny there was even such a thing as a Macedonian and that they're really Bulgarians.

People get irrationally pissed off about stuff like that in that part of the world.

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So true. My step dad is from Rhodes Greece and I used to aggravate him by telling him that the Greeks and Turks are the same people. He'd get so mad. Looks like I was (unintentionally) correct. Lol