Most of these "educators" couldn't handle the real world. It's amazing how many of them talk about how tough they have it but they have never really had a real job.

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Nonregdrummer09, I'm trying to make A&M a better place.

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How, by handing in your resignation?

I'm sorry, this is so much bulls**t. You are one of those sad people who can't celebrate or achieve greatness, you only get your jollies by being "different". If A&M were the most liberal university in the country, you'd be throwing rocks at the Gay Pride Parade and pretending to be to the right of Ronald Reagan.

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The example you give of having students walk through the MSC, with their hats on, as part of a social experiment is a great example that I had forgotten about. How this passed as "education" is still beyond me. That serves no purpose on our campus.

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And as I recall, violated ethics rules about students participating in experiments.

Except you aren't teaching skills to survive. You are trying to make people into what you think the world should be. If someone was doing the same thing but teaching racist beliefs you would lose your mind. You think your worldview is correct.

I bet you even believed Blowjob Ford and the #metoo movement.

Wars happen all over the world over land. Sometimes the combatants are of the same race, sometimes not. The settlement of the west was about land, not race. If the US had wanted to kill every last native, they probably could have. That would have been genocide. That is not what happened.

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Ross was a segregationist. Yet many want to present him as a roll role model to be emulated... that is a mistake

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FIFY

Joe Biden was also a segregationist.

Why did you vote for him in 2020, and what does that make you?

" First-generation college students lamented crippling lack of access to needed resources and lack of empathy from faculty and staff."

Rubbish. A&M was/is a place for adult learners. My great joy as a "first generation student" when I was there was spending time in the library studying, conferring with professors such as RJQ Adams, Roger Beaumont and Arnold Krammer. I had to leave to support my family, but that's life. If one expects a huge ready made network of peer support, then one is doomed to fail.

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Gonna need sources for your "Gallant Negro Killer" claim. The only source I've ever seen was one article in one UNION newspaper.

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https://www.newspapers.com/clip/53599300/sul-ross-negro-killer/

Memphis Daily Appeal
Memphis, Tennessee
20 Apr 1864

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That quotation gives no explanation for the term or it's origin. For all we know, the writer made it up, tainted with his own bias. Unless you can point to another completely independent source with some explanation as to the origin, the most plausible explanation is that the is the personal characterization of the author, probably based on the pure coincidence that Sully's task in war engagement happened to pit him against black Union soldiers. This is proof of nothing.

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We can pretty easily derive based on letters/accounts from said battle and the timing of this article you are correct.

"Pease" will disagree of course, because it doesn't fit his narrative of trying to destroy everything A&M is.
I honestly don't understand why he works here.

Pease, what is it that draws you to work for TAMU? Honest question.

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Nonregdrummer09, I'm trying to make A&M a better place. I suppose I could move to someplace that aligns more closely with my values, but I would be preaching to the choir. I can do the most good here.

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Ross was a segregationist. Yet many want to present him as a roll role model to be emulated... that is a mistake

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FIFY

Joe Biden was also a segregationist.

Why did you vote for him in 2020, and what does that make you?

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I would not automatically assume he voted for Biden. There are even far more lefty candidates out there like the Green and CPUSA candidates

Clowns that judge past cultures and individuals through the lens of modern day ethics and morality are the laziest and most disingenuous of thinkers. They fail to realize that our modern day modes of thinking are but mere blips on the never ceasing development of how people view the world and the people around them. It took those before us, both the good and poor aspects of who they were, to get to where we are now.

Was Sul Ross a perfect gentlemen free of any and all foibles? Or course not. He, like all of us, was flawed. Yet, he was a product of his time and place on the arc of history. Just as we are now. Is it fair that in 200 years that the people of that time will look back and judge us through the lens of 23rd century views? Hopefully by then we will have moved past such childish and intellectually dishonest ways of viewing the past.

I find this appropriate for the conversation

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Ross was a segregationist. Yet many want to present him as a roll role model to be emulated... that is a mistake

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FIFY

Joe Biden was also a segregationist.

Why did you vote for him in 2020, and what does that make you?

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This is a great take.

Forgiveness for me but not for thee, I'm sure.

Tiny, where did you go?

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" First-generation college students lamented crippling lack of access to needed resources and lack of empathy from faculty and staff."

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It's irritating to see how much lip-service is paid to being "first-gen" today ... as if there have never been first-generation students before.

A&M, especially, has long been a place where "first in their families" came to study.

Back in the day, I was in the MSC Bookstore behind a fish who had never written a check before. The cashier just sighed and told him what to write and where. He finished up sheepishly and moved on. I'm sure he was embarrassed, but that's part of growing up.

Today he would go on Twitter and complain that the school didn't offer him "needed resources" and exhibited a "lack of empathy."

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UTExan said:

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" First-generation college students lamented crippling lack of access to needed resources and lack of empathy from faculty and staff."

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It's irritating to see how much lip-service is paid to being "first-gen" today ... as if there have never been first-generation students before.

A&M, especially, has long been a place where "first in their families" came to study.

Back in the day, I was in the MSC Bookstore behind a fish who had never written a check before. The cashier just sighed and told him what to write and where. He finished up sheepishly and moved on. I'm sure he was embarrassed, but that's part of growing up.

Today he would go on Twitter and complain that the school didn't offer him "needed resources" and exhibited a "lack of empathy."

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When I was in grad school there were about six of us sharing a bullpen of carrels. One guy had just arrived from India. One day he was sitting at his desk opening his mail and had just gotten a shiny new credit card. He flashed it at us and then asked us how to use it.

He was lucky we were nice guys and didn't take him to Rick's Cabaret in Houston.

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Nonregdrummer09, I'm trying to make A&M a better place. I suppose I could move to someplace that aligns more closely with my values, but I would be preaching to the choir. I can do the most good here.

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Your stated intentions seem admirable, but lack understanding.

'Making A&M a better place' and 'doing the most good' means seeking and speaking truth.

Pushing a narrative to students that is not founded in truth is dishonest and evil.

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I give up.

Now I will tell you why Pease will not answer my questions.

Because they are admittedly loaded questions.
Since he is finally engaging some, he will have the opportunity to refute my summation and speculation.

The first set.
How do you feel about politicians of the period that had the raiding native tribes killed and pushed out of Texas?

Should we still be able to honor them for their other deeds or only judge them for select issues?

There is currently an initiative that has been approved as far as I know to erect a statue of politician Matthew Gaines on the Texas A&M campus. While I am not opposed to it, we have to be honest and admit it is simple pandering. Gaines was a black politician, he voted for the Morrill act that created land grant colleges in Texas. This is his only tie to Texas A&M and it's history. With so small of a tie to the University why erect a statue? He was black. That is the only reason. It's solely identity politics.

The crux of the situation is, for a couple of years Gaines was on the Committee of Indian Affairs during the time legislation was drafted to remove and displace the Comanche and other tribes from the State of Texas. He was key in writing the legislation that was approving genocide as some people claim.

In this respect if you have such a narrow view of history as some appear to, you cannot in good faith support both honoring Gaines while denouncing Ross.



Second loaded question
What's your take on missionaries stepping in and changing the culture of a tribe or group?

Remove your personal views of Christianity for a second and look at it from a history/anthropology perspective. Christian missionaries were destructive in these aspects. Once the outside influence arrived, many of the traditions and the culture itself were destroyed. Now try to go back and figure out and understand where and how the society was built prior to outside influence. The same could be said for conquering civilizations but missionaries were sent so far and wide there is no denying their impact.

Texas A&M is a unique culture steeped in tradition. There are probably hundreds of traditions and cultural examples that would be foreign from an outside view. If an anthropologist was self aware, honest and a true academic they would have a treasure trove of honest research available at their fingertips. Instead of observing the culture, lesser professors feel a desire through their own misguided political affiliations to subvert and change that culture to fit their own personal world view.

This makes them no better than a missionary in a tribal village when it comes to tradition, history and culture.

I will leave it with one prime example to prove my point.
The MSC, a memorial in place out of respect to the dead.
Instead of silently observing, some professor decided to actively thumb their nose at the tradition. Going out of their way to attempt to offend anyone that might hold those beliefs sacred. Thinking nothing of actually studying the phenomenon and only seeking to destroy it.

I wonder if studying a fishing village and they danced around a fire to honor the dead, if this same professor would stand up, walk through the dance and piss on the fire?



I'll leave you with some old quotes I found

"Training needs to start as children. TexAgs are like those old dogs. Respect is a value, but it is only directed at like-kind. Texas high schools trained 'em in nationalism..."

"It's not an environment conducive to informed discussion. It is interesting to see what triggers them the most. "


I contend the person that wrote these is not a teacher, professor or educator.
Their self identity is an agitator and activist first and the rest be dammed.


I tried honest discourse and I thank you for showing me that is not now and never will be possible.

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A certain someone is going back to eating chalk.

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There is currently an initiative that has been approved as far as I know to erect a statue of politician Matthew Gaines on the Texas A&M campus. While I am not opposed to it, we have to be honest and admit it is simple pandering. Gaines was a black politician, he voted for the Morrill act that created land grant colleges in Texas. This is his only tie to Texas A&M and it's history. With so small of a tie to the University why erect a statue? He was black. That is the only reason. It's solely identity politics.

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I agree with all of the above, except your lack of opposition.

It is demeaning to all the current honorees, as well as any future person of any race who will be honored.

To simply raise a statue for pandering is sad, counter-productive, and an insult.

I've mentioned before a man called "Old Dan", who used a wagon to deliver new cadets from the college station* train depot to campus and carting their belongings. I think that a statue to him would be a fitting honor.

It could be a tribute to the generations of black custodians, cooks, and other laborers who served Texas A&M faithfully through her history, including a majority of the time that their family members could not attend. A&M could not have existed without them.

Matthew Gaines? Just one of 21 votes in the Texas Senate.

*(intentional lower case, as it was simply the station, at the college, not the name of a town, yet)

Gaines was a much bigger figure in Texas politics in general. I know we had this debate last year, but his ties to the University really are pretty weak. I don't like the idea of pandering at all either.

I know this is a s the kind of comment that makes it to Twitter and it's taken out of context, but all of the other statues on campus are deeply Aggie. His statue would be much more fitting for something that is focused on Texas politics and not TAMU in general.

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Ross was a segregationist. Yet many want to present him as a roll role model to be emulated... that is a mistake

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Joe Biden was also a segregationist.

Why did you vote for him in 2020, and what does that make you?

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Game, set, match. Outstanding post on a couple of levels.

I bet Pease is sitting on a donut and reenacting the scene from "The Crying Game" after the complete ass kicking F16 gave him today. "Professor" my ass, he's weak and nowhere near as intelligent as he thinks he is.

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I bet Pease is sitting on a donut and reenacting the scene from "The Crying Game" after the complete ass kicking F16 gave him today. "Professor" my ass, he's weak and nowhere near as intelligent as he thinks he is.

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It's embarrassing, actually.

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Gaines was a much bigger figure in Texas politics in general. I know we had this debate last year, but his ties to the University really are pretty weak. I don't like the idea of pandering at all either.

I know this is a s the kind of comment that makes it to Twitter and it's taken out of context, but all of the other statues on campus are deeply Aggie. His statue would be much more fitting for something that is focused on Texas politics and not TAMU in general.

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Likely deserves a statue in his home town.

If you are not a member, you should be. I don't know who brought critical race theory to A&M, but I know who will stop it. It will take thousands of good Aggies, but it will be done.

I am a member of The Rudder Association. Why aren't you?

Has anyone requested a wellness check on Pease this morning? He probably spent the night at a battered women's shelter.

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If you are not a member, you should be. I don't know who brought critical race theory to A&M, but I know who will stop it. It will take thousands of good Aggies, but it will be done.

I am a member of The Rudder Association. Why aren't you?

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I wasn't familiar with the association, then I looked at the board members. Those are some good Ags. I will donate

He's probably whining someplace else about how mean we all are

Not directly related to this Blog post but all of the other threads that lead to this are locked or deleted.

How long ago did it become the norm that college students are still children?


I have seen accusations that mean old racist people are stalking and picking on these "kids. "

In my world once you stepped out of high school you were an adult. (and often a bit before that)
You face the world with adult choices and adult consequences.

I saw it during the Sully protests time and time again. "I'm an adult now, changing the world" until they meet resistance, then it's "I'm just a kid, leave me alone and stop attacking me"

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Has anyone requested a wellness check on Pease this morning? He probably spent the night at a battered women's shelter.

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The offer is still open to Pease and his progressive friends to come back for debate.

My offer is genuine, but I already know better. Our local democrat progressives view us as subhuman creatures incapable of reason. Much like the current person sitting in the White House, they think we are all a bunch of Neanderthals.

I'll let their own words speak for them once again.

I am considering changing my name to Public School Trained Nationalist.

So these profs, who seem to be hiding their intelligence, admit in public forums that they carry their political bias and being "progressive" into their classroom, and actively try to "make things better" by changing their students to think let them. Pretty chilling stuff imho.

And then call anyone who calls them out Neanderthals or whatever. And say we do not listen to differing opinions than ours.

And no, we listened and rejected.

Much more tolerant than the cancel culture of the left.

And please quit trying to indoctrinate our kids. We are paying your salaries you know.

God bless.

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So these profs, who seem to be hiding their intelligence, admit in public forums that they carry their political bias and being "progressive" into their classroom, and actively try to "make things better" by changing their students to think let them. Pretty chilling stuff imho.

And then call anyone who calls them out Neanderthals or whatever. And say we do not listen to differing opinions than ours.

And no, we listened and rejected.

Much more tolerant than the cancel culture of the left.

And please quit trying to indoctrinate our kids. We are paying your salaries you know.

God bless.

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BusterAg,

Why does everything have to do with race? What about "make hard work valuable to society again"

I hope you don't mind but I am going to steal this and use it very often with people. A great 2 sentences!!

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BusterAg,

Why does everything have to do with race? What about "make hard work valuable to society again"

I hope you don't mind but I am going to steal this and use it very often with people. A great 2 sentences!!

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Meritocracy is veiled racism . Only white people can achieve merit because those who establish the goals and standards are all white too, and the standards are set so that they favor white privilege.

That is what they are trying to tell the world.

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Gonna need sources for your "Gallant Negro Killer" claim. The only source I've ever seen was one article in one UNION newspaper.

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https://www.newspapers.com/clip/53599300/sul-ross-negro-killer/

Memphis Daily Appeal
Memphis, Tennessee
20 Apr 1864

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That quotation gives no explanation for the term or it's origin. For all we know, the writer made it up, tainted with his own bias. Unless you can point to another completely independent source with some explanation as to the origin, the most plausible explanation is that the is the personal characterization of the author, probably based on the pure coincidence that Sully's task in war engagement happened to pit him against black Union soldiers. This is proof of nothing.

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We can pretty easily derive based on letters/accounts from said battle and the timing of this article you are correct.

"Pease" will disagree of course, because it doesn't fit his narrative of trying to destroy everything A&M is.
I honestly don't understand why he works here.

Pease, what is it that draws you to work for TAMU? Honest question.

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Nonregdrummer09, I'm trying to make A&M a better place. I suppose I could move to someplace that aligns more closely with my values, but I would be preaching to the choir. I can do the most good here.

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I think you are a miserable little man who hates everything that made A&M what it is. I think you are jealous of AGGIES. I think you lash out because you are bitter at those that are more successful than you and you feel stuck at this backwater place with people that you feel are beneath you. Your academic superiority complex brings you back here again to show us stoopid AGGIES how wrong we are. Yet you pedal unoriginal NPC like tripe and get your head caved in again and again with facts. I almost feel sorry for you. Almost. Bless your heart.