Muy said:

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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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Also, as a coach at another school, I believe there should be some oversight to the system to make sure the homeschool kids are actually passing their classes. Otherwise and kid can just "go to school" for athletics and no other reason.

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I'm pretty sure that Homeschool kids have some type of standardized testing (at least in high school) to prove academic success in order to go to college. I'm talking out of my ass on this one but there has to be something that is already approved.

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Not unless something passed recently

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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So it's pick and choose public education. The classroom isn't good enough, nor are the kids within the school, but they're good enough to play football with.

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wait wut?

Why would that change? That is my point. It will change very little as students who want to compete will have to follow the requirements of the school and district.

During COVID, my district made students who wanted to play sports make the in school practice and the after school practice to compete.

It will be the same for these homeschool students. The dedicated ones (very few) will use the resources and gain an important socialization piece that they need and pay taxes for and the kids you are worried about going homeschool because of grades etc don't have the families that can get them to and from practices so they will end up in the school.

Also, the coach that talked about wearing jerseys during the school day that is a UIL violation FYI and the cultural dynamics of playing for the school in the front will be no different for homeschool to in school kids because they are COMPETING and practicing with blood and sweat everyday. It may even lead to more kids going to public schools because they want to be with these friends that they bond with during practice.

Big nothing burger. In my district of 30,000 kids it will impact about 40 kids between 6 middle schools and 3 high schools.

On that same taxing note, I don't have any kids in public schools, but I still pay school taxes and I also still vote for local controlled school board members.

Since I don't have a physical dog in the show, should my responsibility be less?

Who's responsibility is it that a child is well adjusted and socialized? The school or the parents?

We're all benefactors of properly educated, socialized kids. And these parents are paying the same taxes as everyone else. Keeping them out when there is a completely viable program they can participate in (one which they are already paying for) to help is about the most short-sighted opinion I can imagine. We all play a role in helping socialize the youth of our communities. No one can do it alone

Buck Turgidson said:

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I have no problem with a total separation between public school and everybody else. My kids do private and we prefer to compete in TAPPS (for sports), ACSI (for academic competition) and other private leagues anyway. Many Houston area home school groups form sports teams and our kids play them. They are not pushovers either. Our 6th grade basketball team got their butts whipped three times this season by a homeschool group with an 8th grader bigger than me. They helped fill out our schedule and forced us to improve. We sure got a lot better on defense from that experience.

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Our kids play in a classical school league with most of the schools in Austin and Waco. They won every game this year handily except for a homeschool team out of Waco that pushed them until the last second.

I don't understand why a coach needs to keep tabs on their athletes in school. When I played in High School our varsity baseball coach had no idea what 90% of the team did before practice.

In addition, a lot of other states allow volunteer coaches - this is what I did for several years. I was a baseball coach at large high schools in a volunteer basis. None of the other coaches were teachers either. We had no idea what kids were doing in school unless the Athletic Director specifically approached us about a problem.

Not to digress but the idea you have to be employed by the district in Texas to coach UIL is dumb. In my experience many coaches are there for the stipend. Open it up to more qualified coaches who would do the job for free like me and others.

Fore Left! said:

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Keeping them out when there is a completely viable program they can participate in to help is about the most short-sighted opinion I can imagine. We all play a role in helping socialize the kpz a youth of our communities. No one can do it alone

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I would never propose pulling out of society as a whole, but if I don't like the direction that a school is pushing towards or the amount of time spent on actual instruction, I'm short sighted?

I guess it depends on your opinion of "viable solution."

I'm in Belton/Temple and am not concerned with the political push of those ISDs. I'm sure there are things I would disagree with, but I'm not unreasonable. My kids' private school has people I disagree with on religious standpoints and political ones. my responsibility is to challenge the beliefs they get from school as well as my own.

Our reason to pull them out was the sheer amount of time that was spent on non-instruction and the grief we got when we chose to pull them out for family activities. The school is not the ward of my children. COVID and the behavior of teacher unions this last year has reinforced that to the Nth degree.

My point is that allowing them to participate in these extracurricular programs is a reasonable solution to addressing some of the shortcomings that homeschooling can have, and I don't think those against it are considering the big picture of the purpose of public education.

By "keeping them out", I mean the Tanyas of the world and other so called educators who don't want to allow these kids to participate, because God forbid, they may have to put in some extra time to earn that coaching stipend vs just repurposing classroom time they are already getting paid for.

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So you see home schooled kids that are behind socially and your opinion is that we should continue to do what we can to make sure they can't socialize? You do realize you are going to be sharing your community with these kids and they will eventually be adults in said community. I would think an educator in the true sense of the word would like to do something to help address this lack of socialization you say you see

Busting their ass together in 100 degree 2-a-days bonds teenagers like nothing I've ever seen. That creates a team, not sharing hallways

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I also said I've seen many home schooled kids who are exceptional....I said I have no problem with parents who choose to homeschool their kids and I agree that it should be their choice and right. I NEVER said I hope they fail or anything of the sort. Of course we need ALL kids to succeed.....not sure where that came from. And yes, busting your a$$ together in 100 degree heat and sweating and bleeding together can bond you..my point was if you want to play for the school, then be a part of the school in all ways! That can truly bond one with your teammates!! Why would any kid want to compete for a school they don't attend? I am at a smaller public school that is outstanding in both academics and athletics, has a high rating, and I don't have the disdain for public schools that many on here have. I believe if a kid wants to be part of the athletic experience and wear the jersey of a school....then he/she should be a full part of that school....again, my 2 cents....obviously you don't have to agree.

Fore Left! said:

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My point is that allowing them to participate in these extracurricular programs is a reasonable solution to addressing some of the shortcomings that homeschooling can have, and I don't think those against it are considering the big picture of the purpose of public education.

By "keeping them out", I mean the Tanyas of the world and other so called educators who don't want to allow these kids to participate, because God forbid, they may have to put in some extra time to earn that coaching stipend vs just repurposing classroom time they are already getting paid for.

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Good fantasy information about me

WTG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I want to make sure I understand what's going on in here. Am I to understand that homeschooling parents have stretched themselves so thin that their 1.25% property tax going to their local ISD is breaking them and making them unable to afford extracurriculars for their children?

I understand not wanting to pay for something that we don't use, but can everybody who doesn't have children in the local public school opt out of taxes? I would venture to guess that a majority of local homeowners do NOT use the service.

What about this: my son is currently an OL at a Division 1 (FBS) school. I honestly don't want him indoctrinated by university professors. Can I homeschool him at the university level, but still have him eligible to play for his team ? I pay state taxes that support the system

Because maybe they like football or baseball or basketball or band and want to engage In these activities (which again, are being funded by their taxes already), and want to engage with other kids while getting a better, more challenging education than what the school can provide? What right do you have to keep them out? What benefit is there to the community for keeping them out?

Fore Left! said:

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My point is that allowing them to participate in these extracurricular programs is a reasonable solution to addressing some of the shortcomings that homeschooling can have, and I don't think those against it are considering the big picture of the purpose of public education.

By "keeping them out", I mean the Tanyas of the world and other so called educators who don't want to allow these kids to participate, because God forbid, they may have to put in some extra time to earn that coaching stipend vs just repurposing classroom time they are already getting paid for.

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I completely misread your post. I thought you were criticizing home school for not using the completely viable school as an option when homeschool or private school is available. My apologies.

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Fore Left! said:

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My point is that allowing them to participate in these extracurricular programs is a reasonable solution to addressing some of the shortcomings that homeschooling can have, and I don't think those against it are considering the big picture of the purpose of public education.

By "keeping them out", I mean the Tanyas of the world and other so called educators who don't want to allow these kids to participate, because God forbid, they may have to put in some extra time to earn that coaching stipend vs just repurposing classroom time they are already getting paid for.

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Good fantasy information about me

WTG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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You spent multiple pages complaining about how this would somehow prevent you from repurposing classroom time during the school day for "coaching" time

Fore Left! said:

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Fore Left! said:

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My point is that allowing them to participate in these extracurricular programs is a reasonable solution to addressing some of the shortcomings that homeschooling can have, and I don't think those against it are considering the big picture of the purpose of public education.

By "keeping them out", I mean the Tanyas of the world and other so called educators who don't want to allow these kids to participate, because God forbid, they may have to put in some extra time to earn that coaching stipend vs just repurposing classroom time they are already getting paid for.

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Good fantasy information about me

WTG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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You spent multiple pages complaining about how this would somehow prevent you from repurposing classroom time during the school day for "coaching" time

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No

I didn't

I said we practiced during the class period

Have an awesome afternoon

I've wasted tens of thousands of dollars on the local ISD with nothing in return. So yeah my homeschooled kids are entitled to every school resource I'm paying for. I'm actually doing the ISD a favor by keeping them home.

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Because maybe they like football or baseball or basketball or band and want to engage In these activities (which again, are being funded by their taxes already), and want to engage with other kids while getting a better, more challenging education than what the school can provide? What right do you have to keep them out? What benefit is there to the community for keeping them out?

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Life is about choices.....if you choose to not go to public school, then that is your choice. But, there are consequences to every choice, and I believe they should attend the school if they want to play for the school. Wouldn't it benefit the community to have the kids in the school and if they are so brilliant, then they can help raise the educational level of their fellow students and community members?

So you want to force your belief on others?

So you don't really have a good answer then. Your response is basically tit for tat. "You reject my classroom, I reject you." Thanks for clarifying

This mindset from so called educators explains a lot as to why our system is failing us

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So you want to force your belief on others?

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Wouldn't that kind of work both ways here...aren't proponents of allowing homeschooled kids to play sports at a school they don't go to kind of forcing their beliefs on me? Or, am I missing a concept that they only teach in homeschool? I believe it should be this way...but you believe it should be the other way....so because I don't agree with you I'm forcing my beliefs on you?

Fore Left! said:

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So you don't really have a good answer then. Your response is basically tit for tat. "You reject my classroom, I reject you." Thanks for clarifying

This mindset from so called educators explains a lot as to why our system is failing us

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Or if they cannot be bothered with the class of the event they want to participate in, then maybe it is more about parents than the student.

there are always other choices they can make.
If the classroom is not good enough for their student, then being in marching band or theatre is also not good enough

Thanks for further demonstrating that there really is no logic to your position other than tit for tat.

You can't see how someone may think math or science or any other fundamental subject is taught to the lowest common denominator so they'd rather take it on themselves vis homeschooling, while acknowledging that they don't have a football team at home and can't take that on?

Fore Left! said:

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So you don't really have a good answer then. Your response is basically tit for tat. "You reject my classroom, I reject you." Thanks for clarifying

This mindset from so called educators explains a lot as to why our system is failing us

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Not at all.....come join us wholeheartedly and be a part of the school you want to represent!! Bring your teammates and community up both on the playing field and in the classroom!!

I'm just here for the people triggered by homeschool.

Has Tanya tripped out so much she is making false accusations against other posters again?

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The public school system we all pay for is failing miserably.
There are bigger issues to worry about than this one.

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I don't believe that, and there really isn't any evidence to back it up. Smarter kids and those with a good family will excel and stupid ones with no family support don't. It's always been that way and always will.

If you don't think public school is good enough for your kid, you shouldn't get to pick and choose what parts you like and want to participate in. What if I like everything but the math classes, can I pull my kid out and homeschool them for math only?

Fore Left! said:

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Thanks for further demonstrating that there really is no logic to your position other than tit for tat.

You can't see how someone may think math or science or any other fundamental subject is taught to the lowest common denominator so they'd rather take it on themselves vis homeschooling, while acknowledging that they don't have a football team at home and can't take that on?

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Have your kid take AP classes. Its not taught to the lowest common denominator.

Fore Left! said:

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Thanks for further demonstrating that there really is no logic to your position other than tit for tat.

You can't see how someone may think math or science or any other fundamental subject is taught to the lowest common denominator so they'd rather take it on themselves vis homeschooling, while acknowledging that they don't have a football team at home and can't take that on?

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If they can't be in the class, they shouldn't be in the activity.
It is all I have said.

Keep trying though

maybe you will get the thing you want to flag

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Fore Left! said:

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Thanks for further demonstrating that there really is no logic to your position other than tit for tat.

You can't see how someone may think math or science or any other fundamental subject is taught to the lowest common denominator so they'd rather take it on themselves vis homeschooling, while acknowledging that they don't have a football team at home and can't take that on?

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Have your kid take AP classes. Its not taught to the lowest common denominator.

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AP classes are also exempt from no pass/no play.

This is completely awesome. For a few years now we have discussed this. We have a high academically achieving kids who also excel in athletics. We are increasingly disappointed in the education our kids receive and have considered homeschooling them, just weighting-off athletics as a cost to having more influence in their education. However, it's not all about education. One of our largest concerns is simply the cultural and social influence on our kids that is inconsistent if not counter to our own. With highly involved high school kids, they spend far more time being influenced by their piers and others than they do by us. They spend 10-12 hours each day at the school or involved in school related activities. That is great but they sleep 8-9 hours of the remainder of the day. Despite our best efforts, we are simply out matched for influencing them by others. Homeschool provides an opportunity to change that. It also allows for us to ensure they get a real education on History, Government, and religion in addition to STEM, proper English including grammar, and quality literature. And you can bet the CRT BS will NOT be a concern for our kids. They will also continue to learn facts with regard to how God created Men and Women.
With a freshman and a junior who participated in Cross Country and Track at the state level as well as other sports, this is exciting news to us and should be to anyone serious a about and capable of providing quality homeschool education.

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Fore Left! said:

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Because maybe they like football or baseball or basketball or band and want to engage In these activities (which again, are being funded by their taxes already), and want to engage with other kids while getting a better, more challenging education than what the school can provide? What right do you have to keep them out? What benefit is there to the community for keeping them out?

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Life is about choices.....if you choose to not go to public school, then that is your choice. But, there are consequences to every choice, and I believe they should attend the school if they want to play for the school. Wouldn't it benefit the community to have the kids in the school and if they are so brilliant, then they can help raise the educational level of their fellow students and community members?

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You think "brilliant" kids in the classroom help raise the education level of the classroom? As other have said, it only works the other way around. The level of instruction tends to be diluted to accommodate the less apt.

And, so long as they live in the district and pay the school taxes, why shouldn't the kids being homeschooled be able to participate? C'mon man!

Because somehow it's better for your kids to learn that wanting to improve themselves on one area means you need to settle for less on something else.