UIL and Homeschool

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In reply to TAMU1990 • 7:38a, 5/23/21
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10andBOUNCE said:
Curious the boards thoughts on homeschoolers participation in UIL. The senate just passed HB547 16-14 so it looks like this will happen after other failed attempts.

We homeschool our son and I personally don't have a major leaning either way, however my wife is pretty fired up. She didn't want this to pass as it may potentially blaze the path to invite more government into our homeschool choices.

https://legiscan.com/TX/text/HB547/id/2215800
Don't like it. The kids aren't going to the HS but can show up to play? The biggest issue is no pass/no play. Who is going to make that decision? The teacher is the parent and they will pass their kid regardless of performance or rigor. How much testing is required to be considered passing in a subject? Kids that go to HS have an independent party (the teacher) deciding if the student is allowed to play.


Your ignorance is showing. You do realize that homeschool children still have to show academic performance to get into college? You do realize that homeschool parents still pay taxes to the school district?

This is a much needed change that may finally wake up the public educators that they can't use sports and band to bully parents into accepting a mediocre school system
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In reply to AggieFlyboy • 7:52a, 5/23/21
AggieFlyboy said:
TAMU1990 said:
10andBOUNCE said:
Curious the boards thoughts on homeschoolers participation in UIL. The senate just passed HB547 16-14 so it looks like this will happen after other failed attempts.

We homeschool our son and I personally don't have a major leaning either way, however my wife is pretty fired up. She didn't want this to pass as it may potentially blaze the path to invite more government into our homeschool choices.

https://legiscan.com/TX/text/HB547/id/2215800
Don't like it. The kids aren't going to the HS but can show up to play? The biggest issue is no pass/no play. Who is going to make that decision? The teacher is the parent and they will pass their kid regardless of performance or rigor. How much testing is required to be considered passing in a subject? Kids that go to HS have an independent party (the teacher) deciding if the student is allowed to play.


Your ignorance is showing. You do realize that homeschool children still have to show academic performance to get into college? You do realize that homeschool parents still pay taxes to the school district?

This is a much needed change that may finally wake up the public educators that they can't use sports and band to bully parents into accepting a mediocre school system
No

It is not a much needed change.

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In reply to Tanya 93 • 7:53a, 5/23/21
Yes

It is a much needed change.
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In reply to BMX Bandit • 8:03a, 5/23/21
BMX Bandit said:
Yes

It is a much needed change.
No

I had practice during class periods

If my teaching is not good enough for classes, then I am not good enough to be their coach.

Get over it and find something else
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In reply to Tanya 93 • 8:08a, 5/23/21
You coach football? Had no idea!
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In reply to BMX Bandit • 8:09a, 5/23/21
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You coach football? Had no idea!
Because that is the only coach!


Good effort though!
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In reply to TXAGBQ76 • 8:11a, 5/23/21
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When my daughter graduated in 1998, there were a number of kids who walked the stage that no one knew who they were. learned later that evening they were home school kids.

I agree with others who said our kids weren't good enough to around- except for the special stuff.

My kids are home-schooled and some of their best friends are in public schools. We don't think our kids are 'better' than public schooled kids. We chose to homeschool for other reasons.
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In reply to SociallyConditionedAg • 8:14a, 5/23/21
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SociallyConditionedAg said:
TXAGBQ76 said:
When my daughter graduated in 1998, there were a number of kids who walked the stage that no one knew who they were. learned later that evening they were home school kids.

I agree with others who said our kids weren't good enough to around- except for the special stuff.

My kids are home-schooled and some of their best friends are in public schools. We don't think our kids are 'better' than public schooled kids. We chose to homeschool for other reasons.


I can't believe that people actually feel personally insulted when someone chooses to educate their children differently.
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In reply to Tanya 93 • 8:14a, 5/23/21
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Tanya 93 said:
BMX Bandit said:
Yes

It is a much needed change.
No

I had practice during class periods

If my teaching is not good enough for classes, then I am not good enough to be their coach.

Get over it and find something else


Maybe it's not your teaching but others. Maybe they think their child won't function as well in large classrooms. There are lots of reason parents choose homeschool.

You and the other teacher are personalizing this and it's pretty damn funny.
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In reply to backintexas2013 • 8:17a, 5/23/21
backintexas2013 said:
Tanya 93 said:
BMX Bandit said:
Yes

It is a much needed change.
No

I had practice during class periods

If my teaching is not good enough for classes, then I am not good enough to be their coach.

Get over it and find something else


Maybe it's not your teaching but others. Maybe they think their child won't function as well in large classrooms. There are lots of reason parents choose homeschool.

You and the other teacher are personalizing this and it's pretty damn funny.
You can find it funny all you want

But I needed kids in my school in my events.

I needed to know if they were passing, I needed them in class, and I needed to know i could call their parents and say they were gone from the organization because they did not do their work.


You really do not know what it is like to be a coach of anything in HS and the obligations you have



And I never had big classrooms

Find another argument for me to dismiss
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8:18a, 5/23/21
I do not see it as a big deal. No pass / No play is a joke. The kids have very few opportunities to lose eligibility but a ton to gain eligibility back.

The schools have classes during the day for athletics purposes and will force kids who want to participate to make those times during the school day.

It will be too much effort for most parents to get their kids up to school and then back home unless the parent is committed to their child. The kids in this thread we are worried about staying at home doing nothing won't get their kids to / from practice so it will only impact a very small amount of kids.


Big nothing burger.


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In reply to Richierich2323 • 8:19a, 5/23/21
I am guessing you never dealt with public school
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In reply to Tanya 93 • 8:21a, 5/23/21
I have been a teacher and coach for 15 years. Teacher of the year and just last week was named by my AVID students as their teacher of the school year.
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In reply to Richierich2323 • 8:22a, 5/23/21
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I have been a teacher and coach for 15 years. Teacher of the year and just last week was named by my AVID students as their teacher of the school year.


Oh snap
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In reply to Tanya 93 • 8:23a, 5/23/21
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Tanya 93 said:
backintexas2013 said:
Tanya 93 said:
BMX Bandit said:
Yes

It is a much needed change.
No

I had practice during class periods

If my teaching is not good enough for classes, then I am not good enough to be their coach.

Get over it and find something else


Maybe it's not your teaching but others. Maybe they think their child won't function as well in large classrooms. There are lots of reason parents choose homeschool.

You and the other teacher are personalizing this and it's pretty damn funny.
You can find it funny all you want

But I needed kids in my school in my events.

I needed to know if they were passing, I needed them in class, and I needed to know i could call their parents and say they were gone from the organization because they did not do their work.


You really do not know what it is like to be a coach of anything in HS and the obligations you have



And I never had big classrooms

Find another argument for me to dismiss


You never had big classrooms. Quick making it about you. This is all students in Texas.

I did coach. Next argument.
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In reply to backintexas2013 • 8:25a, 5/23/21
backintexas2013 said:
Tanya 93 said:
backintexas2013 said:
Tanya 93 said:
BMX Bandit said:
Yes

It is a much needed change.
No

I had practice during class periods

If my teaching is not good enough for classes, then I am not good enough to be their coach.

Get over it and find something else


Maybe it's not your teaching but others. Maybe they think their child won't function as well in large classrooms. There are lots of reason parents choose homeschool.

You and the other teacher are personalizing this and it's pretty damn funny.
You can find it funny all you want

But I needed kids in my school in my events.

I needed to know if they were passing, I needed them in class, and I needed to know i could call their parents and say they were gone from the organization because they did not do their work.


You really do not know what it is like to be a coach of anything in HS and the obligations you have



And I never had big classrooms

Find another argument for me to dismiss


You never had big classrooms. Quick making it about you. This is all students in Texas.

I did coach. Next argument.
Were you forced to put a kid that could not read at a 3rd grade level into your HS level UIL event?


Kids do not have the right to be in UIL

They need to earn it

And this ruling is going to cause 1000's of lawsuits because their Brayden deserves to be on the team or in the event
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8:29a, 5/23/21
So public school is putting kids into extracurricular activities who should not be there based on academic performance and THAT'S the argument against home schoolers not having that option? Wow.
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In reply to Muy • 8:29a, 5/23/21
Muy said:
TXAGBQ76 said:
When my daughter graduated in 1998, there were a number of kids who walked the stage that no one knew who they were. learned later that evening they were home school kids.

I agree with others who said our kids weren't good enough to around- except for the special stuff.


I don't think it has a thing to do with your kids being good enough. The teachers and/or public school bs is what's not good enough.

Ours went to a good private school but most of their best friends were all in the public school that we live near.... and financially support.

If public school parents don't want home schooled kids getting access to any extracurricular activities, then I'm sure they agree that the district needs to stop taxing those families.



This. My kids hybrid home and private and they do a whole ton with kids from church and the neighborhood that are public.

My problem doesn't exist with the kids at all. It's the 30 students in a single classroom and a teacher having to teach to the level of the lowest denominator in the classroom. I also am fairly concerned with indoctrination from public schools in general.

I worked in public k12 for 10 years and still actually work exclusively with k12 now. I support Education and do pay attention to what's going on. I don't raise a fuss about it but I think that if we're being forced to pay for a service that we don't want to use, we probably ought to have some discretion when we want to use a portion of it.

I have no plans to do anything along the lines of it, but I get the concept of wanting to cash in on what you've been paying for.
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In reply to Richierich2323 • 8:32a, 5/23/21
Richierich2323 said:
I have been a teacher and coach for 15 years. Teacher of the year and just last week was named by my AVID students as their teacher of the school year.
Of course you did

I was also county teacher of the year.

If they are going to be representing my school in UIL events, they need to be in my school.

Period.

I am glad you are good with kids not in your school representing them, but I felt an obligation to 75 years plus of former students to actually use the students in the school
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In reply to c-jags • 8:32a, 5/23/21
Your second paragraph is nails.
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In reply to Tanya 93 • 8:39a, 5/23/21
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Tanya 93 said:
Richierich2323 said:
I have been a teacher and coach for 15 years. Teacher of the year and just last week was named by my AVID students as their teacher of the school year.


If they are going to be representing my school in UIL events, they need to be in my school.

Period.




Well this thread is over. An opinion is stated and skip a bit and say "Period." That is debating 101.
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In reply to Tanya 93 • 8:40a, 5/23/21
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Tanya 93 said:
backintexas2013 said:
Tanya 93 said:
backintexas2013 said:
Tanya 93 said:
BMX Bandit said:
Yes

It is a much needed change.
No

I had practice during class periods

If my teaching is not good enough for classes, then I am not good enough to be their coach.

Get over it and find something else


Maybe it's not your teaching but others. Maybe they think their child won't function as well in large classrooms. There are lots of reason parents choose homeschool.

You and the other teacher are personalizing this and it's pretty damn funny.
You can find it funny all you want

But I needed kids in my school in my events.

I needed to know if they were passing, I needed them in class, and I needed to know i could call their parents and say they were gone from the organization because they did not do their work.


You really do not know what it is like to be a coach of anything in HS and the obligations you have



And I never had big classrooms

Find another argument for me to dismiss


You never had big classrooms. Quick making it about you. This is all students in Texas.

I did coach. Next argument.
Were you forced to put a kid that could not read at a 3rd grade level into your HS level UIL event?


Kids do not have the right to be in UIL

They need to earn it

And this ruling is going to cause 1000's of lawsuits because their Brayden deserves to be on the team or in the event


You are changing arguments. Nicely done.
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In reply to backintexas2013 • 8:41a, 5/23/21
backintexas2013 said:
Tanya 93 said:
Richierich2323 said:
I have been a teacher and coach for 15 years. Teacher of the year and just last week was named by my AVID students as their teacher of the school year.


If they are going to be representing my school in UIL events, they need to be in my school.

Period.




Well this thread is over. An opinion is stated and skip a bit and say "Period." That is debating 101.
How could I have made sure they are worthy of representing the school if they were not in classes?
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8:53a, 5/23/21
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If I have kids and pay my taxes for our nearby public schools, then my kids can participate in any activities at that school.

Period.
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In reply to Tanya 93 • 8:56a, 5/23/21
Tanya 93 said:
Richierich2323 said:
I have been a teacher and coach for 15 years. Teacher of the year and just last week was named by my AVID students as their teacher of the school year.
Of course you did

I was also county teacher of the year.

If they are going to be representing my school in UIL events, they need to be in my school.

Period.


Well, with where this vote is headed, apparently they don't.

Period
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8:57a, 5/23/21
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Kids earn the right to be in UIL sports?

By their parents living in that school district.

I'd easily argue that the average home schooled kids is infinitely better educated than the average public school kid.
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In reply to vmiaptetr • 9:00a, 5/23/21
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Tanya 93 said:

Were you forced to put a kid that could not read at a 3rd grade level into your HS level UIL event?


Kids do not have the right to be in UIL

They need to earn it

And this ruling is going to cause 1000's of lawsuits because their Brayden deserves to be on the team or in the event
I don't think you're going to need to worry about a homeschool kid with a low reading level. If anything, your frustration will come from how simple they think your playbook is.
I said nothing about reading levels.

But now the schools in Texas get to deal with lawsuits because Karen's angel didn't get picked.
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In reply to Muy • 9:00a, 5/23/21
Muy said:
Kids earn the right to be in UIL sports?

By their parents living in that school district.

I'd easily argue that the average home schooled kids is infinitely better educated than the average public school kid.
UIL is not just sports.

And yes, you should earn your place in it.

Why shouldn't you?
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I know that, sweetie. Earn it? How so?
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In reply to Tanya 93 • 9:01a, 5/23/21
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Tanya 93 said:
BMX Bandit said:
Yes

It is a much needed change.
No

I had practice during class periods

If my teaching is not good enough for classes, then I am not good enough to be their coach.

Get over it and find something else
Cry more
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In reply to vmiaptetr • 9:02a, 5/23/21
msechelski said:
Tanya 93 said:

Were you forced to put a kid that could not read at a 3rd grade level into your HS level UIL event?


Kids do not have the right to be in UIL

They need to earn it

And this ruling is going to cause 1000's of lawsuits because their Brayden deserves to be on the team or in the event
I don't think you're going to need to worry about a homeschool kid with a low reading level. If anything, your frustration will come from how simple they think your playbook is.
That changes nothing about what I said.

Most kids do read well.

What do you do when sued because a kid doesn't get on the football team because they can't read or memorize the plays?
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9:02a, 5/23/21
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Tanya is so offended that parents decide they can teach their kids better.
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In reply to Artorias • 9:02a, 5/23/21
Artorias said:
Tanya 93 said:
BMX Bandit said:
Yes

It is a much needed change.
No

I had practice during class periods

If my teaching is not good enough for classes, then I am not good enough to be their coach.

Get over it and find something else
Cry more
Not crying at all


Just realizing that Karens are going to have so much fun with this ruling
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In reply to Tanya 93 • 9:03a, 5/23/21
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Tanya 93 said:
backintexas2013 said:
Tanya 93 said:
backintexas2013 said:
Tanya 93 said:
BMX Bandit said:
Yes

It is a much needed change.
No

I had practice during class periods

If my teaching is not good enough for classes, then I am not good enough to be their coach.

Get over it and find something else


Maybe it's not your teaching but others. Maybe they think their child won't function as well in large classrooms. There are lots of reason parents choose homeschool.

You and the other teacher are personalizing this and it's pretty damn funny.
You can find it funny all you want

But I needed kids in my school in my events.

I needed to know if they were passing, I needed them in class, and I needed to know i could call their parents and say they were gone from the organization because they did not do their work.


You really do not know what it is like to be a coach of anything in HS and the obligations you have



And I never had big classrooms

Find another argument for me to dismiss


You never had big classrooms. Quick making it about you. This is all students in Texas.

I did coach. Next argument.
Were you forced to put a kid that could not read at a 3rd grade level into your HS level UIL event?


Kids do not have the right to be in UIL

They need to earn it

And this ruling is going to cause 1000's of lawsuits because their Brayden deserves to be on the team or in the event
No it's not going to cause 1000's of lawsuits, anymore than open carry caused shootouts in the streets.

Again, other states already do this and have been doing this, and it is not an issue.

Quit being a drama queen.
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