It truly baffles me why any conservative or Republican who yearns for a strong, INDEPENDENT, SOVERIGN, America would answer any other way than Trump 100%.

It's like you're an employer and you contracted a guy to come work for you for 4 years. He took the job, came in and accomplished more, at a faster rate, at better cost, than any in the past, and did ALL he told you he would do in his interview. He kicked ass. He made it look easy. He was more transparent to you than any other that preceded him.

He's already had and done the job, and he kicked ass at it. He basically outperformed any other contract worker or employee of yours for the past 50 years, doing the job that you're hiring for now . . .

. . . and now he's offered to come back for another 4 year contract, and you want to go with someone else?

It makes no sense.

Trump!

with DeSantis as VP.

For all the awesomeness that is Trump on a policy and energy level, he was an ineffective politician at a tactical level.

1) He was so worried about public image, that he was way too soft of the COVID nonsense. His base wanted him to be stronger on this issue. He punted to Fauci and created a monster.
2) He allowed the party to get completely blindsided by all of the changes to the voting laws that were happening under the guise of COVID. Instead of just predicting that there was going to be voting fraud, he should have been galvanizing support to fight the Dems in court. The fact that he did not shows a great deal of hubris.
3) He was not hands on enough with the DOJ. Where is the Durham report? Why let Barr have such a long chain?

In the end, Trump's own ego was his downfall. He assumed his popularity was going to provide enough armor that he could withstand the counter attacks from the establishment. This is what eventually did him in.

Trump can rally the American worker like no other personality. He is also a great delegator, assigning people to certain positions with specific tasks. But, he is not that great at making friends, and he is not hands-on enough to protect himself alone in the DC game of politics.

I think that a more seasoned politician such as DeSantis will not fall for the same kind of traps. I see DeSantis as slightly better on policy than Trump, and slightly weaker on tenacity. But he has shown himself to be pretty wiley on the counter-attack front. His dismantling of the 60 minutes hit piece was pretty impressive.

There used to be an old adage that you never start an argument with someone who buys ink by the barrel. For better or worse, Trump showed that everybody has ink by the barrel now, albeit digital. The lesson is to argue back, immediately and hard against the Dems and their Praetorians in the MSM.

I want a candidate who has 100 percent of Trump's policies, but who is not Donald Trump. If Trump is the nominee, Kamala Harris is our next president.

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It truly baffles me why any conservative or Republican who yearns for a strong, INDEPENDENT, SOVERIGN, America would answer any other way than Trump 100%.

It's like you're an employer and you contracted a guy to come work for you for 4 years. He took the job, came in and accomplished more, at a faster rate, at better cost, than any in the past, and did ALL he told you he would do in his interview. He kicked ass. He made it look easy. He was more transparent to you than any other that preceded him.

He's already had and done the job, and he kicked ass at it. He basically outperformed any other contract worker or employee of yours for the past 50 years, doing the job that you're hiring for now . . .

. . . and now he's offered to come back for another 4 year contract, and you want to go with someone else?

It makes no sense.

Trump!

with DeSantis as VP.

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Why not Trump ? Because he's unelectable.

The media and Dems have successfully convinced the majority of Americans that the protests on January 6th were an insurrection against the government of the United States and that Trump lead it to overthrow the election. You know and I know that this is complete BS but 90% of Americans think this was awful and Trump caused it. Trump simply can't overcome that perception.

DeSantis does not bear that burden.

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I want a candidate who has 100 percent of Trump's policies, but who is not Donald Trump. If Trump is the nominee, Kamala Harris is our next president.

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I think she's the next president regardless and all of this debate will only determine who loses to her. This country is toast.

King Jehu, as our erstwhile POTUS was sometimes christened on a defunct thread.

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Savrola said:

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I want a candidate who has 100 percent of Trump's policies, but who is not Donald Trump. If Trump is the nominee, Kamala Harris is our next president.

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I think she's the next president regardless and all of this debate will only determine who loses to her. This country is toast.

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Harris will be our next president.

But, she will not be elected in 2024.

She is simply unelectable.

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Savrola said:

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I want a candidate who has 100 percent of Trump's policies, but who is not Donald Trump. If Trump is the nominee, Kamala Harris is our next president.

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I think she's the next president regardless and all of this debate will only determine who loses to her. This country is toast.

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If by that you mean the Union, most likely. It may yet refashion itself into competing factions.

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geb83 said:

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It truly baffles me why any conservative or Republican who yearns for a strong, INDEPENDENT, SOVERIGN, America would answer any other way than Trump 100%.

It's like you're an employer and you contracted a guy to come work for you for 4 years. He took the job, came in and accomplished more, at a faster rate, at better cost, than any in the past, and did ALL he told you he would do in his interview. He kicked ass. He made it look easy. He was more transparent to you than any other that preceded him.

He's already had and done the job, and he kicked ass at it. He basically outperformed any other contract worker or employee of yours for the past 50 years, doing the job that you're hiring for now . . .

. . . and now he's offered to come back for another 4 year contract, and you want to go with someone else?

It makes no sense.

Trump!

with DeSantis as VP.

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Why not Trump ? Because he's unelectable.

The media and Dems have successfully convinced the majority of Americans that the protests on January 6th were an insurrection against the government of the United States and that Trump lead it to overthrow the election. You know and I know that this is complete BS but 90% of Americans think this was awful and Trump caused it. Trump simply can't overcome that perception.

DeSantis does not bear that burden.

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I disagree. Yes that is their narrative and they are closed to codifying it in history, but there's no push back amongst Rep Party and Rep Voters. Exactly why we NEED Trump, to push back w/ an in your face style. Quite allowing the Dems and their partners in media to define the argument, push back and just call it BullShi!, which it is.

DeSantis has an in-your-face style. And it's extremely effective. And his asset is that he's in your face on what matters most. Trump let himself get distracted and allowed his to chase prideful nonsense sometimes.

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Joes said:

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I want a candidate who has 100 percent of Trump's policies, but who is not Donald Trump. If Trump is the nominee, Kamala Harris is our next president.

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I think she's the next president regardless and all of this debate will only determine who loses to her. This country is toast.

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If by that you mean the Union, most likely. It may yet refashion itself into competing factions.

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You might not agree with me, but I believe the balkanization of this country is inevitable as long as we continue to push authoritarian measures, regardless of party.

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titan said:

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Joes said:

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Savrola said:

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I want a candidate who has 100 percent of Trump's policies, but who is not Donald Trump. If Trump is the nominee, Kamala Harris is our next president.

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I think she's the next president regardless and all of this debate will only determine who loses to her. This country is toast.

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If by that you mean the Union, most likely. It may yet refashion itself into competing factions.

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You might not agree with me, but I believe the balkanization of this country is inevitable as long as we continue to push authoritarian measures, regardless of party.

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Completely agree. In fact, its the more optimistic take. The Left Democrats are dismantling national feeling and any reason to care about that--- look at what the Democrats are doing to the military and how even they are starting to feel about it all. When that happens regional ideologies and local focus fills the vacuum. A new form of resident identifying with his state more is emerging, and a good thing in this case, because you need an anti-collectivist spirit. There is no reason to believe North America of a few more countries will be worse than the autocratic single power the Left is trying to make it. The former Yugoslavia and Warsaw Pact nations are more free and better places to be than part of the collective of Yugoslavia in 1988.

The wild card that could head the need for that off is something like what is starting to happen in France. The NYT was censuring and attacking France's high regard for Napeloeon, but celebrating a right wing push back and anti-Jacobin spirit is exactly how you deal with this.

I couldn't find the most recent DeSantis thread but here is another great decision. Create an office to investigate election fraud/violations of the state election laws;

🚨🚨🚨@GovRonDeSantis announced that Florida will be creating an Office of Election Crimes and Security to investigate violations of Florida’s election laws.

Huge win for ELECTION INTEGRITY

— Alex Bruesewitz (@alexbruesewitz) November 3, 2021

Of course, this is just something else Abbott and his advisors I am sure just hadn't thought of yet.

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I couldn't find the most recent DeSantis thread but here is another great decision. Create an office to investigate election fraud/violations of the state election laws;

🚨🚨🚨@GovRonDeSantis announced that Florida will be creating an Office of Election Crimes and Security to investigate violations of Florida’s election laws.

Huge win for ELECTION INTEGRITY

— Alex Bruesewitz (@alexbruesewitz) November 3, 2021

Of course, this is just something else Abbott and his advisors I am sure just hadn't thought of yet.

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Abbott is an establishment hack who has no interest in auditing the 2020 election or doing anything that risks losing establishment control in Texas.

Trump played his part.

But now it's DeSantis' time.

Trump would do the most good for this country by serving as a kingmaker/attack dog and starting a media company.

Trump is too old. (period)

We're already seeing the difference in an election w/out him involved.

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Trump is not electable in our current version of America. There, I said it. It pains me to do it.

These are the facts. No amount of wishful thinking will change that.

DeSantis

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Agree. DeSantis.

I will always be a Ted Cruz supporter, but have given up hope of him ever getting the nod.

I would choose Trump over DeSantis. DeSantis would still be a nobody if not for Trump.

DeSantis

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I couldn't find the most recent DeSantis thread but here is another great decision. Create an office to investigate election fraud/violations of the state election laws;

🚨🚨🚨@GovRonDeSantis announced that Florida will be creating an Office of Election Crimes and Security to investigate violations of Florida’s election laws.

Huge win for ELECTION INTEGRITY

— Alex Bruesewitz (@alexbruesewitz) November 3, 2021

Of course, this is just something else Abbott and his advisors I am sure just hadn't thought of yet.

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Abbott is an establishment hack who has no interest in auditing the 2020 election or doing anything that risks losing establishment control in Texas.

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It may not be that harsh. It could be a simple as not that much an innovator or out of the box guy. What needs to happen is people who ARE , make the suggestions to him, then see if he rejects it, rather than bashing him for not thinking of it.

Now is the time for those placed to do so to ask -- Yes, why not such an office? See if Abbott says yes? (Or has the power -- remember, TX legislature is stronger than FL model)

Aggieterri said:

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DeSantis

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DeSantis

If Brandon is the Democrat nominee after 3 more years of economic destruction, it won't matter who the Republicans run.

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I will always be a Ted Cruz supporter, but have given up hope of him ever getting the nod.

I would choose Trump over DeSantis. DeSantis would still be a nobody if not for Trump.

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We need Cruz's voice in the Senate.

2024 National Republican Primary Poll:

Trump 47%
DeSantis 10%
Pence 9%
Haley 6%
Cruz 4%
T. Scott 3%
Pompeo 1%
Rubio 1%@Harvard-@HarrisPoll ~ RV ~ 10/26-10/28https://t.co/Pp40ojTQlj

— PollTracker (@PollTrackerUSA) November 3, 2021

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DeSantis. Only because I believe he has all the things that made Trump so popular with people, but is a lot more polished and will be able to calm the weaklings who cried at mean (but honest) tweets.

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A very good kitchen table way of putting how see it.

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Ditto

DeSantis for these reasons

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Pookers said:

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nortex97 said:

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I couldn't find the most recent DeSantis thread but here is another great decision. Create an office to investigate election fraud/violations of the state election laws;

🚨🚨🚨@GovRonDeSantis announced that Florida will be creating an Office of Election Crimes and Security to investigate violations of Florida’s election laws.

Huge win for ELECTION INTEGRITY

— Alex Bruesewitz (@alexbruesewitz) November 3, 2021

Of course, this is just something else Abbott and his advisors I am sure just hadn't thought of yet.

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Abbott is an establishment hack who has no interest in auditing the 2020 election or doing anything that risks losing establishment control in Texas.

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It may not be that harsh. It could be a simple as not that much an innovator or out of the box guy. What needs to happen is people who ARE , make the suggestions to him, then see if he rejects it, rather than bashing him for not thinking of it.

Now is the time for those placed to do so to ask -- Yes, why not such an office? See if Abbott says yes? (Or has the power -- remember, TX legislature is stronger than FL model)

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Abbott is not dull in his thought, he's corrupt. His vax mandate was a prime example of him playing politics while keeping his big business donors happy.

1)Sign EO banning vax mandates by private employers with a maximum fine of $1k. (this is pennies to most F500's)
2) Add said issue to the special session a week before the session ends.
3) Law fails to make it out of committee before session end.
4) Don't call another special session
5) Say you did something but the ledge couldn't do more

He's very good a looking like he's doing something meaningful without actually delivering anything.

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I will always be a Ted Cruz supporter, but have given up hope of him ever getting the nod.

I would choose Trump over DeSantis. DeSantis would still be a nobody if not for Trump.

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We need Cruz's voice in the Senate.

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He has the opportunity to be there for 2 to 4 more decades. I hope he stays.

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murphyag said:

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I will always be a Ted Cruz supporter, but have given up hope of him ever getting the nod.

I would choose Trump over DeSantis. DeSantis would still be a nobody if not for Trump.

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We need Cruz's voice in the Senate.

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He has the opportunity to be there for 2 to 4 more decades. I hope he stays.

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I hope every single one of them are kicked out and replaced with non establishment types. Serving a lifetime in the senate should NOT be an option.

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Texarkanaag69 said:

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murphyag said:

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I will always be a Ted Cruz supporter, but have given up hope of him ever getting the nod.

I would choose Trump over DeSantis. DeSantis would still be a nobody if not for Trump.

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We need Cruz's voice in the Senate.

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He has the opportunity to be there for 2 to 4 more decades. I hope he stays.

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I hope every single one of them are kicked out and replaced with non establishment types. Serving a lifetime in the senate should NOT be an option.

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Well, how do you feel about Senators that would vote themselves out of office with term limits at the first chance they get. Is it OK for them to stick around?

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murphyag said:

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I will always be a Ted Cruz supporter, but have given up hope of him ever getting the nod.

I would choose Trump over DeSantis. DeSantis would still be a nobody if not for Trump.

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We need Cruz's voice in the Senate.

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He has the opportunity to be there for 2 to 4 more decades. I hope he stays.

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I hope every single one of them are kicked out and replaced with non establishment types. Serving a lifetime in the senate should NOT be an option.

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Well, how do you feel about Senators that would vote themselves out of office with term limits at the first chance they get. Is it OK for them to stick around?

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No exceptions. There needs to be term limits. Those who vote to remove themselves in this way will go down as heros.

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murphyag said:

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I will always be a Ted Cruz supporter, but have given up hope of him ever getting the nod.

I would choose Trump over DeSantis. DeSantis would still be a nobody if not for Trump.

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We need Cruz's voice in the Senate.

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He has the opportunity to be there for 2 to 4 more decades. I hope he stays.

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I hope every single one of them are kicked out and replaced with non establishment types. Serving a lifetime in the senate should NOT be an option.

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And who's your choice to replace Cruz?

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DeSantis. Only because I believe he has all the things that made Trump so popular with people, but is a lot more polished and will be able to calm the weaklings who cried at mean (but honest) tweets.

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A very good kitchen table way of putting how see it.

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DeSantis for these reasons

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I think that people underappreciate how much Trump moved the GOP, at least for now. Trump took very populist opinions that many in the GOP establishment HATED, and fought tooth and nail against.

However, Trump showed the GOP how to win. Good old fashioned American Exceptualism is the way forward.

Establishing this roadmap was huge. The GOP may in fact be able to do some good under this plan.

The fact that DeSantis and others are more likely to be successful than Trump in winning at the poles does nothing, in my eyes, to decrease the boldness and resolve of Trump to go his own way, and change American politics in the process.

It's Trump's policies that are the winner, not his personality. This has always been the case.

When DeSantis gets on the national scene in the primaries, I expect his popularity to raise significantly.

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Pookers said:

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Texarkanaag69 said:

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murphyag said:

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I will always be a Ted Cruz supporter, but have given up hope of him ever getting the nod.

I would choose Trump over DeSantis. DeSantis would still be a nobody if not for Trump.

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We need Cruz's voice in the Senate.

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He has the opportunity to be there for 2 to 4 more decades. I hope he stays.

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I hope every single one of them are kicked out and replaced with non establishment types. Serving a lifetime in the senate should NOT be an option.

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And who's your choice to replace Cruz?

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I'd pick just about anybody on this forum; it doesn't matter. We don't need political elites to tell us how to run the country. Mom and Pop business owner is far better than most of the current crop of senators in making sure we make ends meet.