Culture matters. It is upstream of politics. We've all discussed on this forum the growing racial division narrative being pushed by the left. Disney added just another little drip of racial poison in the latest episode of Falcon & Winter Soldier.

Up until now, the show has actually done a pretty great job of addressing issues of racism in America's past (related to an older black super soldier) and America's present (related to Sam Wilson aka Falcon).

In episode 4, however, Disney merged the reality of racism into the myth of all consuming US white supremacy.

It was almost a throw away line. One of the antagonists is talking to Sara Wilson, Sam's sister. Sara is asked about the new "Captain America," a guy named John Walker. Sara has been built up to be a likable, sympathetic character.

She replies, "My [black] world doesn't matter to America, so why should I care about its mascot?"



Now, you could argue she's talking about her world of trying to keep a shrimp boat business going. Or her world of raising kids. But none of that makes any sense. The intended meaning is, "America doesn't care about black people."

I realize it is just one line in one TV show, but this idea is poisonous BS. Just look at the Chauvin trial right now. Look at commercials, tv shows, education initiatives, media, politics, music, theater. Practically everything. America cares deeply about black people. To argue otherwise is to deny reality.

This little drip of poison, this sense of perpetual victimization of or disregard for black people, is a fake narrative, and it is harmful.

No, we aren't perfect. Our society hasn't eliminated racism, but there isn't a better place in the world to be black. Why should Sara care about America? Because America matters, and this push for a new tribalism has to end.

Drop the subscription

Progressives wouldn't exist if grievance wasn't their lifeblood and they couldn't create victims. The truth is that people in this country regardless of race, sexual preference, gender, religion get along a lot more than is portrayed. This is because the people and entities controlling the narrative (media, politicians, Hollywood/entertainment/sport, academia) all tend to be leftists and progressives.

Either they are pushing the division themselves actively (people like the Squad, Hollywood writers/producers/actors, professors, media mouthpieces) or they are supporting it through virtue signalling (your average suburban woman, corporations).

Leftists don't even see themselves as Americans any more and certainly don't want any of their various client groups seeing themselves as Americans either.

They need "Americans" to only be conservative White people who they use to focus the anger and jealousy they stoke in their groups to focus on instead of each others

The Mouse is probably the biggest pusher of this garbage in the entire country.

Walt Disney would drop a nuke on it if he came back today.

Sounds like someone listened to Ben Shapiro yesterday. I agree with the premise that politics have become the result of culture. Virtually every TV show for the last 40 years has subtlety portrayed patriotic conservatives as ignorant, heartless, and mislead in their patriotism.

I don't know why exactly, but people with conservative or Pro American values vacated media and publishing. Back in the day conservatives would become authors, actors, and poets. Now that is seen as 'unmanly' I guess. We need to change this perception and get involved in the arts again to change the culture.

I love that Shapiro is creating content. It's so frustrating that you can't watch a movie without vulgar sex references or political indoctrination. There is a big demand for clean entertainment.

Pretty sure when Sam becomes Captain America and him being "its mascot" she will then care.

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Now, you could argue she's talking about her world of trying to keep a shrimp boat business going. Or her world of raising kids. But none of that makes any sense. The intended meaning is, "America doesn't care about black people."

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Or you could argue its about small business owners being harmed by increases in taxes, labor costs, and burdensome government regulations which create barriers to entry, marginalize the inexperienced and make is harder for black America to engage in entrepreneurship.

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Leftists don't even see themselves as Americans any more and certainly don't want any of their various client groups seeing themselves as Americans either.

They need "Americans" to only be conservative White people who they use to focus the anger and jealousy they stoke in their groups to focus on instead of each others

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They aren't really `Americans' any more. Certainly not with the basic ideals. At very best, they are Euro-socialists. But they seem to lack the good of even Europeans- -- most are grievance Maoists.

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Pretty sure when Sam becomes Captain America and him being "its mascot" she will then care.

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This needs to be her line when it happens: "For the first time in my adult life, I am really proud of my country".

The premise is a lie. Merely by existing and interacting with others, she and her world matter. How much depends on who they interact with and how they affect others. What is she expecting and demanding of others, and what is she doing to accommodate and invite them to positively interact with her? Relationships are a mutual exchange, not one way.

Haven't watched the latest episode yet. Man, that is disappointing and I feared they would do that. To your point, they've handled it well so far. Acknowledges it but balanced and realistic. Guess not now.

I'm not ready to cast judgment on the show yet. They did have a great moment too when San interacted with that kid about not being "Black Falcon". It was a good point in the show.

Her world indeed matters. That's why I support school choice and the ending of incarceration for minor drug offenses as well as promoting the family unit. Until those things are targeted, the rest is meaningless.

I should save my opinion until the end of the series but Falcon had the privilege of knowing and being a confidant of CA. Cap entrusted the shield to Falcon. We as fans want Falcon to take it. We want him to be our CA! Instead the character allowed our government to fill the void. Why would he trust our government? Horror vacui. Just like nature, government abhors a vacuum and the government ceased power for itself from Falcon.

I'm gonna get flamed for this but IDGAF.

I'd argue that a bigger sign of the decline of our country and culture is the fact that grown men
sit around and watch movies/TV shows about comic book superheroes. I know, I know, to each his own but it just blows my mind how many adults just eat this stuff up. Same can be said for video games. I just don't get it.
And no, it's not the same as watching football games (a 'defense'/retort I've heard before).

Anyway...flame away.

SWC Ag said:

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I'm gonna get flamed for this but IDGAF.

I'd argue that a bigger sign of the decline of our country and culture is the fact that grown men
sit around and watch movies/TV shows about comic book superheroes. I know, I know, to each his own but it just blows my mind how many adults just eat this stuff up. Same can be said for video games. I just don't get it.
And no, it's not the same as watching football games (a 'defense'/retort I've heard before).

Anyway...flame away.

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Back in the 80's we had a Commodore 64.

My Grandfather, a WWII veteran who was at Iwo Jima and later a welder who carried steel girders working at precarious heights, would sit and play Donkey Kong for hours on end.

I'm not sure grown men's choice of entertainment is the reason behind our cultural decline.

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I'm gonna get flamed for this but IDGAF.

I'd argue that a bigger sign of the decline of our country and culture is the fact that grown men
sit around and watch movies/TV shows about comic book superheroes. I know, I know, to each his own but it just blows my mind how many adults just eat this stuff up. Same can be said for video games. I just don't get it.
And no, it's not the same as watching football games (a 'defense'/retort I've heard before).

Anyway...flame away.

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It shows how rich we've become that we have time to 'waste' doing such things. We have lives easier and better than kings and queens from just a century ago. We have people to bring us food, clean our house and manage our oversized yards. Our cars dont need maintenance and our houses dont really need mush fixin' up except for when our wives complain about the dated paint or old furniture. Maybe we should read more. No, we should read more! But watching others acting out stories of our heroes goes back throughout humanity, we can just do it whenever and wherever we want instead of once a month when the King's Men held a performance or for that one particular time a Greek tragedy was performed

Bucky Barnes is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such

LIBERALS ARE THE ENEMY OF THIS COUNTRY AND ANYTHING GOOD AND SACRED. SHUN THEM. DO NOT LET YOUR CHILDREN PLAY WITH THEIRS.

It's to the point that I don't want my sons anywhere near the military. No way in hell do I want them to make the ultimate sacrifice for these pieces of *****

SWC Ag said:

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I'm gonna get flamed for this but IDGAF.

I'd argue that a bigger sign of the decline of our country and culture is the fact that grown men
sit around and watch movies/TV shows about comic book superheroes. I know, I know, to each his own but it just blows my mind how many adults just eat this stuff up. Same can be said for video games. I just don't get it.
And no, it's not the same as watching football games (a 'defense'/retort I've heard before).

Anyway...flame away.

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yes it is, same as going to a pool hall or bar. just because you don't like it doesn't make it a the decline of our country.

the biggest sign of the decline of our country is not allowing other people to do what they want and thinking your opinion is "better" than theirs.

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SWC Ag said:

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I'm gonna get flamed for this but IDGAF.

I'd argue that a bigger sign of the decline of our country and culture is the fact that grown men
sit around and watch movies/TV shows about comic book superheroes. I know, I know, to each his own but it just blows my mind how many adults just eat this stuff up. Same can be said for video games. I just don't get it.
And no, it's not the same as watching football games (a 'defense'/retort I've heard before).

Anyway...flame away.

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Back in the 80's we had a Commodore 64.

My Grandfather, a WWII veteran who was at Iwo Jima and later a welder who carried steel girders working at precarious heights, would sit and play Donkey Kong for hours on end.

I'm not sure grown men's choice of entertainment is the reason behind our cultural decline.

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You're missing the point. Our Grandfathers grew up in the Great Depression and then went and saved the world in WWII. Their formative years and resulting attitudes/beliefs/ethics/creeds (whatever word you choose to use here) were, as a whole, night and day from those in my generation (Generation X) and subsequent generations.
A 75 year old guy playing Donkey Kong after a lifetime of toil is a far cry from 25 year old incels sitting around watching comic book movies and playing video games while the country crumbles around him.

Now of course this isn't a one size fits all observation. The Greatest Generation had their share of POS's just as my generation and the ones following has our share of folks who went off to fight the war of our/their generation, are hard working, honest folks who don't have their heads in the sand about what's happening to the country we inherited.

And I'm not saying there aren't hard working veteran types who like those movies and games...but again, that's not the point. The bigger picture is the issue here.

The poster who posted soon after my first post hit the nail on the head. Far too few people in these generations today have any real appreciation of our freedoms and what it takes to maintain them because they've never had to lift a finger for pretty much anything in their entire lives. And it's only getting worse.

SWC Ag said:

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I'm gonna get flamed for this but IDGAF.

I'd argue that a bigger sign of the decline of our country and culture is the fact that grown men
sit around and watch movies/TV shows about comic book superheroes. I know, I know, to each his own but it just blows my mind how many adults just eat this stuff up. Same can be said for video games. I just don't get it.
And no, it's not the same as watching football games (a 'defense'/retort I've heard before).

Anyway...flame away.

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Ummm. Adults enjoying superhero stories isn't something new. Does the name Achilles ring a bell?

Your government isn't supposed to care about you; it's supposed to leave you alone.

TAMU1990 said:

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It's to the point that I don't want my sons anywhere near the military. No way in hell do I want them to make the ultimate sacrifice for these pieces of *****

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That's something hearing a lot from vets or military interested. And it makes sense--they would not be fighting for a good regime. Or a good worldvision, or even culture at this rate since the msm celebrates trash cultures.

Boo's point used to seem far too radical, but the idea of raising kids more carefully and bearing in mind ideology of who they run with could become important. There is alot of brainwashing to quasi Maoism and race-baiting going on.

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TAMU1990 said:

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It's to the point that I don't want my sons anywhere near the military. No way in hell do I want them to make the ultimate sacrifice for these pieces of *****

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That's something hearing a lot from vets or military interested. And it makes sense--they would not be fighting for a good regime. Or a good worldvision, or even culture at this rate since the msm celebrates trash cultures.

Boo's point used to seem far too radical, but the idea of raising kids more carefully and bearing in mind ideology of who they run with could become important. There is alot of brainwashing to quasi Maoism and race-baiting going on.

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One of my son's wants to go to Med school and is thinking of going to the military to help pay for it.

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titan said:

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TAMU1990 said:

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It's to the point that I don't want my sons anywhere near the military. No way in hell do I want them to make the ultimate sacrifice for these pieces of *****

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That's something hearing a lot from vets or military interested. And it makes sense--they would not be fighting for a good regime. Or a good worldvision, or even culture at this rate since the msm celebrates trash cultures.

Boo's point used to seem far too radical, but the idea of raising kids more carefully and bearing in mind ideology of who they run with could become important. There is alot of brainwashing to quasi Maoism and race-baiting going on.

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One of my son's wants to go to Med school and is thinking of going to the military to help pay for it.

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Well then you are dealing with a possible trade-off. The risk of indoctrination and fighting for collectivist goals, but balanced against that, a very real crack at med school. That is a trickier decision. However, if their mindset is firmly formed, indoctrination is less a risk, and that would only leave your worries about war.

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AGinHI said:

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I'm gonna get flamed for this but IDGAF.

I'd argue that a bigger sign of the decline of our country and culture is the fact that grown men
sit around and watch movies/TV shows about comic book superheroes. I know, I know, to each his own but it just blows my mind how many adults just eat this stuff up. Same can be said for video games. I just don't get it.
And no, it's not the same as watching football games (a 'defense'/retort I've heard before).

Anyway...flame away.

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Back in the 80's we had a Commodore 64.

My Grandfather, a WWII veteran who was at Iwo Jima and later a welder who carried steel girders working at precarious heights, would sit and play Donkey Kong for hours on end.

I'm not sure grown men's choice of entertainment is the reason behind our cultural decline.

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You're missing the point. Our Grandfathers grew up in the Great Depression and then went and saved the world in WWII. Their formative years and resulting attitudes/beliefs/ethics/creeds (whatever word you choose to use here) were, as a whole, night and day from those in my generation (Generation X) and subsequent generations.
A 75 year old guy playing Donkey Kong after a lifetime of toil is a far cry from 25 year old incels sitting around watching comic book movies and playing video games while the country crumbles around him.

Now of course this isn't a one size fits all observation. The Greatest Generation had their share of POS's just as my generation and the ones following has our share of folks who went off to fight the war of our/their generation, are hard working, honest folks who don't have their heads in the sand about what's happening to the country we inherited.

And I'm not saying there aren't hard working veteran types who like those movies and games...but again, that's not the point. The bigger picture is the issue here.

The poster who posted soon after my first post hit the nail on the head. Far too few people in these generations today have any real appreciation of our freedoms and what it takes to maintain them because they've never had to lift a finger for pretty much anything in their entire lives. And it's only getting worse.

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I just want to point out that this argument (above) is not the same as this argument:

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I'd argue that a bigger sign of the decline of our country and culture is the fact that grown men

sit around and watch movies/TV shows about comic book superheroes. I know, I know, to each his own but it just blows my mind how many adults just eat this stuff up. Same can be said for video games.

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Your initial argument was a complaint that grown men watch comic book superheroes and play video games. Which in your estimation was "a bigger sign of the decline" of country and culture.

Now it's a lack of appreciation for our freedoms.

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Leftists don't even see themselves as Americans any more and certainly don't want any of their various client groups seeing themselves as Americans either.

They need "Americans" to only be conservative White people who they use to focus the anger and jealousy they stoke in their groups to focus on instead of each others

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They see "Americans" as the enemy. Time for "Americans" to see them as they really are.

Thats odd. Her entire part of this show has been about how she is struggling with giving up her family business to save her house and kids. I heard that quote and race never once came to mind.

Op, you added the word "Black" to the quote.

Youre seeing/hearing what you want to. All the same, no one stopping you from cancelling your sub...

Democrats took Manson's race war baton and turned it into a peer reviewed psyop.

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Maroon Dawn said:

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Leftists don't even see themselves as Americans any more and certainly don't want any of their various client groups seeing themselves as Americans either.

They need "Americans" to only be conservative White people who they use to focus the anger and jealousy they stoke in their groups to focus on instead of each others

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They see "Americans" as the enemy. Time for "Americans" to see them as they really are.

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Yes. That is truer than you realize. Watch captkirk's liberal vs Critical Social justice video thread. That will explain all of what's going on and why it 21st C doesn't seem like Democrats or liberals from last.

Drop the subscription, yell at your family for any mention of Disney in the home. Make your own conservative family channel the old fashioned way, watch the cash come in overnight. See Disney crumble in ash as people cheer with fervor your superior politically nihilistic broadcasting.

or............

you can just move one with your life and understand that sometimes there will be content on TV that is upsetting t at times.

The choice is yours....

I didn't even notice that line. Stop overthinking it.

And I say this as someone that's very suspect of hollywood and hasn't had a Netflix subscription since they produced the movie that portrays Jesus as gay and Mary as a drug addict.