There you go; Fire Dept. dispatch probably was told "Cup Foods" from Police, but Police may have been told "Park and 38th" by EMS Dispatcher.

This is classic telephone game from childhood.

Break time till 3:10pm CT.

aginresearch said:

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Dispatchers about to go under the bus.

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Sounds like their systems need an overhaul since 80% of their calls are medical. They don't talk with EMS, nor apparently not much with the police either.

What a cluster!

NewOldAg said:

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There you go; Fire Dept. dispatch probably was told "Cup Foods" from Police, but Police may have been told "Park and 38th" by EMS Dispatcher.

This is classic telephone game from childhood.

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It really shouldn't be funny but as Minneapolis continues to lose officers, response times will go to hell even further without this internal glitch.

Agreed. I can't imagine a current Police Officer's mental state right now. They are taught "guidelines and rules" to do things "by the book," well, what happens when that book gets you arrested as a defendant to a murder charge?

How can you trust anything you just learned?

Side note: If Chauvin is convicted but has proven that he followed everything "to the book," does he have a civil claim against the PD? Probably runs aground of sovereign immunity but its still an interesting question.

NewOldAg said:

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Agreed. I can't imagine a current Police Officer's mental state right now. They are taught "guidelines and rules" to do things "by the book," well, what happens when that book gets you arrested as a defendant to a murder charge?

How can you trust anything you just learned?

Side note: If Chauvin is convicted but has proven that he followed everything "to the book," does he have a civil claim against the PD? Probably runs aground of sovereign immunity but its still an interesting question.

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Wrongful termination case? Not sure how Minnesota law works on that.

Retired Office on the stand. Been an officer for 27 years.

Missed his name but retired cop on the stand now.

This is the Sgt that dispatch called.

TRM said:

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This is the Sgt that dispatch called.

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Thanks. Keegler or Fleegler? Something like that?

Twitter says "Flouger"...I thought it was spelled "Pflueger" but that might be because I'm from Texas.

NewOldAg said:

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Twitter says "Flouger"...I thought it was spelled "Pflueger" but that might be because I'm from Texas.

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LOL. Thanks!

Sgt. calls a report for a use of force by an officer an "Office Use of Force Report".

He has a good history of reviewing these reports.

Use of force supervisor as well.

Cahill calls a sidebar. Wonder why?

Prosecution: "Oh, have I introduced this? Oh, I haven't?"

Judge "Lets go to side bar"

Prosecution just tried to use evidence not offered. Judge called sidebar.

aginresearch said:

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Prosecution just tried to use evidence not offered. Judge called sidebar.

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Cahill announces the stipulation by the parties those documents are admitted without requiring foundational witnesses.

Now it's getting good with expert witness exam.

MPD policy on use of force, reporting, rendering aid, and restraint technique "HOBL"

Was a HOBL ever used?

THIS is the State's best witness yet. Witness is discussing that a HOBL restrained person must be immediately place in side recovery position to avoid positional asphyxiation.

aginresearch said:

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Was a HOBL ever used?

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That's unclear. Lane asked Thao to get his hobble out of Lane's bag but not sure it was ever used.as Lane remained at his feet. (I think it was Lane.)

NASAg03 said:

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Now it's getting good with expert witness exam.

MPD policy on use of force, reporting, rendering aid, and restraint technique "HOBL"

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What's HOBL?

Trademarked tool for restraining suspect's feet.

agracer said:

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NASAg03 said:

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Now it's getting good with expert witness exam.

MPD policy on use of force, reporting, rendering aid, and restraint technique "HOBL"

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What's HOBL?

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Think hog tie. Feet are strapped together and attached at waist to prevent kicking.

This witness is not going well for Chauvin.

Obligatory Hill Street Blues theme

He wasn't sure if it was just a simple takedown that doesn't require a report. So he called to investigate it further and he called Chauvin on cell phone, Chauvin says he was about to call and ask for witness to come out.

Objection by Defense, probably hearsay. Overruled.

Martin Q. Blank said:

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This witness is not going well for Chauvin.

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I think murder should be off the table, but can he still be charged for manslaughter?

Corn Pop said:

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Martin Q. Blank said:

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This witness is not going well for Chauvin.

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I think murder should be off the table, but can he still be charged for manslaughter?

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He has already charged with manslaughter.

"I guess"?