beerad12man said:
I'm just beside myself how these people can think this is okay, and how they think it's helping their overall population, and how so many go along with it.
It's unbelievable.
They didn't doubly social distance and double mask. Amateurs.P.U.T.U said:
So their social distancing and medical grade mask are not slowing the spread? Shocking I tell you
Nah, to me, it actually makes the least sense now, because you have a good portion immune. The only "month" that made sense was the very first month when we weren't 100% sure what we were dealing with. We figured it out in April of 2020 who it attacks, and a relative death rate. From that point on, the 60 and under crowd should have been given their relative risk, and then allowed to be an adult about it and make their decision as they saw fit with the FACTs and nothing more, while doing what we could to protect the elderly, especially nursing homes. The only mitigation needed beyond April of 2020 was nursing home protection. The rest of the deaths would have been virtually the same.LostInLA07 said:
Yep. Additionally, the application of the "mitigation measures" has been complete nonsense.
*Wear a mask when walking to your table but you can take it off and sit in an enclosed space for an hour with the same people you had to wear a mask to walk by for 1-2 seconds (as long as you have a glass of water in front of you.)
*Wear a mask at all indoor and outdoor locations at large resort hotels like Hill Country Hyatt, unless you are in the pool (which is the most crowded and least distanced area in the entire property)
*Drinking at a bar at a restaurant or a bar that sells chips or has a food truck in the parking lot is ok. A bar that doesn't have some sort of food on the property is not ok.
*Arbitrary capacity restrictions. 50% capacity is ok, but 52% would kill people? 75% for one set of arbitrary business types, 50% for others, etc.
*In some states, eating in an enclosed tent in a parking lot is ok but eating inside an actual building isn't.
*Get the vaccine, but still wear a mask, distance, and don't gather with anyone. Maybe you can see one other family in person on July 4.
I'm not advocating for lockdowns by any means but, frankly, right now would actually make the most sense for a "lockdown" in the US because minimizing spread while the population is getting vaccinated for a month or two would be relatively effective compared to these never ending lockdowns and restrictions. It would have to be an actual near 100% lockdown though.
A year long pretend lockdown or an arbitrary patchwork of "mitigation" accomplished absolutely nothing except killing jobs and businesses. We'll never know for sure but I would love to see the results of an alternative reality where we did essentially nothing except help protect highly vulnerable populations. I bet we could've taken really good care of 65+ and terminally ill people for $5 trillion dollars.
beerad12man said:
I'm just beside myself how these people can think this is okay, and how they think it's helping their overall population, and how so many go along with it.
It's unbelievable.
Bunk Moreland said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/11/business/astrazeneca-vaccine-denmark-blood-clots.html
It's probably the blood clots.
Welcome to a failed debate from a year ago. You can't "lockdown" a society. Real people still have to get out and do real jobs. I don't know what utopia people believe in if they think there is some magic lockdown pause button.Quote:
I'm not advocating for lockdowns by any means but, frankly, right now would actually make the most sense for a "lockdown" in the US because minimizing spread while the population is getting vaccinated for a month or two would be relatively effective compared to these never ending lockdowns and restrictions. It would have to be an actual near 100% lockdown though.
FriscoKid said:Welcome to a failed debate from a year ago. You can't "lockdown" a society. Real people still have to get out and do real jobs. I don't know what utopia people believe in if they think there is some magic lockdown pause button.Quote:
I'm not advocating for lockdowns by any means but, frankly, right now would actually make the most sense for a "lockdown" in the US because minimizing spread while the population is getting vaccinated for a month or two would be relatively effective compared to these never ending lockdowns and restrictions. It would have to be an actual near 100% lockdown though.
Kashchei said:
Did you ask him how he thought his governor was doing?
We know this in March with data from...gasp!!! ITALY!!!!beerad12man said:Nah, to me, it actually makes the least sense now, because you have a good portion immune. The only "month" that made sense was the very first month when we weren't 100% sure what we were dealing with. We figured it out in April of 2020 who it attacks, and a relative death rate. From that point on, the 60 and under crowd should have been given their relative risk, and then allowed to be an adult about it and make their decision as they saw fit with the FACTs and nothing more, while doing what we could to protect the elderly, especially nursing homes. The only mitigation needed beyond April of 2020 was nursing home protection. The rest of the deaths would have been virtually the same.LostInLA07 said:
Yep. Additionally, the application of the "mitigation measures" has been complete nonsense.
*Wear a mask when walking to your table but you can take it off and sit in an enclosed space for an hour with the same people you had to wear a mask to walk by for 1-2 seconds (as long as you have a glass of water in front of you.)
*Wear a mask at all indoor and outdoor locations at large resort hotels like Hill Country Hyatt, unless you are in the pool (which is the most crowded and least distanced area in the entire property)
*Drinking at a bar at a restaurant or a bar that sells chips or has a food truck in the parking lot is ok. A bar that doesn't have some sort of food on the property is not ok.
*Arbitrary capacity restrictions. 50% capacity is ok, but 52% would kill people? 75% for one set of arbitrary business types, 50% for others, etc.
*In some states, eating in an enclosed tent in a parking lot is ok but eating inside an actual building isn't.
*Get the vaccine, but still wear a mask, distance, and don't gather with anyone. Maybe you can see one other family in person on July 4.
I'm not advocating for lockdowns by any means but, frankly, right now would actually make the most sense for a "lockdown" in the US because minimizing spread while the population is getting vaccinated for a month or two would be relatively effective compared to these never ending lockdowns and restrictions. It would have to be an actual near 100% lockdown though.
A year long pretend lockdown or an arbitrary patchwork of "mitigation" accomplished absolutely nothing except killing jobs and businesses. We'll never know for sure but I would love to see the results of an alternative reality where we did essentially nothing except help protect highly vulnerable populations. I bet we could've taken really good care of 65+ and terminally ill people for $5 trillion dollars.
Hospitals/deaths/cases will be much lower now than at any other point with the same level of mitigation due to immunity. So it makes the least amount of sense to me than ever before to have any restrictions right now. IF there was ever a time to ease up 100% (other than April of 2020), it's now.
That actually took several searches to pin down since Wacken is the name of the festival, the vid has 40k views, and no band name is listed for the video. Of course I could have just hit play first and the name would have popped right up.Spyderman said:
Should anyone ask you what the best things about Europe is...
I wouldn't have pegged you for a guy who treasured a band that included the following worksQuote:
Therion (formerly Blitzkrieg and Megatherion) is a Swedish symphonic metal band founded by Christofer Johnsson in 1987. Its name was inspired by the Celtic Frost album To Mega Therion. "To Mega Therion" is Greek for "The Great Beast" and was a title used by occultist Aleister Crowley. Originally a death metal band, Therion adjusted its musical style by adding orchestral elements, including choirs, classical musicians, and even a full orchestra at their concert performances. As a result, they are considered pioneers of the symphonic metal genre.
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