France Sees Threat---From American College Campuses

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UTExan
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It isn't just us normal working or retired folks who view America's colleges and universities as problematic. The French do, too. And reported in the NYTimes of all places.

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PARIS The threat is said to be existential. It fuels secessionism. Gnaws at national unity. Abets Islamism. Attacks France's intellectual and cultural heritage.
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The threat? "Certain social science theories entirely imported from the United States,'' said President Emmanuel Macron.

French politicians, high-profile intellectuals and journalists are warning that progressive American ideas specifically on race, gender, post-colonialism are undermining their society. "There's a battle to wage against an intellectual matrix from American universities,'' warned Mr. Macron's education minister.

Emboldened by these comments, prominent intellectuals have banded together against what they regard as contamination by the out-of-control woke leftism of American campuses and its attendant cancel culture.

Pitted against them is a younger, more diverse guard that considers these theories as tools to understanding the willful blind spots of an increasingly diverse nation that still recoils at the mention of race, has yet to come to terms with its colonial past and often waves away the concerns of minorities as identity politics.

Disputes that would have otherwise attracted little attention are now blown up in the news and social media. The new director of the Paris Opera, who said on Monday he wants to diversify its staff and ban blackface, has been attacked by the far-right leader, Marine Le Pen, but also in Le Monde because, though German, he had worked in Toronto and had "soaked up American culture for 10 years."

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The publication this month of a book critical of racial studies by two veteran social scientists, Stphane Beaud and Grard Noiriel, fueled criticism from younger scholars and has received extensive news coverage. Mr. Noiriel has said that race had become a "bulldozer'' crushing other subjects, adding, in an email, that its academic research in France was questionable because race is not recognized by the government and merely "subjective data.''
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Some center-right lawmakers pressed for a parliamentary investigation into "ideological excesses'' at universities and singled out "guilty'' scholars on Twitter.
Mr. Macron who had shown little interest in these matters in the past but has been courting the right ahead of elections next year jumped in last June, when he blamed universities for encouraging the "ethnicization of the social question'' amounting to "breaking the republic in two.''
"I was pleasantly astonished,'' said Nathalie Heinich, a sociologist who last month helped create an organization against "decolonialism and identity politics.'' Made up of established figures, many retired, the group has issued warnings about American-inspired social theories in major publications like Le Point and Le Figaro....

Read the rest at https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/woke-american-ideas-are-a-threat-french-leaders-say/ar-BB1dwN0q?li=BBnb7Kz
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Damn right. Our universities fuel some ****ed up ideologies.
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"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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Amazingly they can see how farcical and ridiculous the CRT and post modernist application of intersectionality are and how corrosive as divisive policy they would be. Ironically, it is later 20th century French intellectuals that fabricated part of the intellectual basis for it.

Only a decadent culture like America could spite its own unprecedented wealth and progress by insisting on destroying that which brought about such prosperity out of spite and resentment that it doesn't naturally distribute equally, and never will.
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One of the obvious flaws in US critical race theory is that it cannot be applied with any consistency outside the USA.

Take Kenya, for example.

Kenyan society is riddled with racism. It is tribal based, but it is still ethnic, virulent racism. Luos won't marry or hire Kikuyus, and vice versa. And those are just 2 of the tribes. While you or I might not be able to tell a Luo from a Kikuyu on sight, Kenyans can. They also speak different languages and speak with different inflections.

So, what would critical race theory say about Kenyan society? Who are the oppressed? Who are the oppressors? Who has experienced privilege? Which tribes are entitled to demand power from others? Which tribes should be quiet other than to act as allies for the oppressed tribes?

You see how crazy it all sounds?

CRT is a moronic philosophy, yet it has become the dominant philosophy in US colleges.

Humans are prone to tribalism. Ironically, the philosophy meant to fight tribalism in the US has become popular because it actually appeals to and furthers tribalism.
UTExan
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Or Somalia. Somalis enslaved Bantus in the past and still treat them as blacks were treated during the very worst of the Jim Crow/apartheid eras.
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American universities have become Madrassas for anti-Americanism. To help the problem you need less professors who have never been outside of academia. You have to find a way to get professionals and experts in their fields to take on professorships. Do away with tenure and hire adults to be university presidents not liberal loonies who contribute to the zoo.
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HA!!!!!!
The irony of this is so thick you can pour it on ice cream.

You want to know where postmodernism on US campuses originated??? France.

And just like everything else on the planet, America takes something and makes it better. Glad we could send it back your way.

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Just like with viticulture, we imported Marxism from Europe, and then exported it back to them when they were running low.
Gradaggie05
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I was thinking about that too!

Those smug *******s are drinking our wine.

What have the Romans ever done for us!?
Fightin TX Aggie
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The aqueducts?
Kashchei
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And the sanitation.
Faustus
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Yeah. All right. I'll grant you the aqueduct and the sanitation are two things that the Romans have done.
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I remember loathing France and considering them a backwards bastion of toxic progressivism. It is alarming how fast things can change. Now WE are the leftist freaks hellbent on poisoning the world.

I will always think China had a huge hand in this. Remember the CCP tweet from a few months ago that basically shamed us for being "racist" and oppressing blacks and not being socially progressive enough? HUGE red flag.

They are helping us kill ourselves from within....as they sit back and laugh.
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And Democrats are resurrecting the Roman tradition of burning Christians.
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Gradaggie05 said:

HA!!!!!!
The irony of this is so thick you can pour it on ice cream.

You want to know where postmodernism on US campuses originated??? France.

And just like everything else on the planet, America takes something and makes it better. Glad we could send it back your way.


what did I do?!?!?
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One interesting thing about France is that the government refuses to track race because they think doing so runs counter to the principal that everyone should be treated equal.
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France has always been on the defensive against American cultural imperialism...they are sooo smart in that regard.

...personal hygiene however is a different story
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Wycliffe_03 said:

I remember loathing France and considering them a backwards bastion of toxic progressivism. It is alarming how fast things can change. Now WE are the leftist freaks hellbent on poisoning the world.

I will always think China had a huge hand in this. Remember the CCP tweet from a few months ago that basically shamed us for being "racist" and oppressing blacks and not being socially progressive enough? HUGE red flag.

They are helping us kill ourselves from within....as they sit back and laugh.
same CCP that is bragging about what they have done to the Uyghars. we live in crazy time.
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American college campuses are an embarrassment across the world and ruining our international reputation.
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twk said:

One interesting thing about France is that the government refuses to track race because they think doing so runs counter to the principal that everyone should be treated equal.
I would agree with that
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Who would have figured that online, for profit colleges were the bastion for non liberalism?





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