NY Times: Trump Subverted the Election (step-by-step narrative)

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From last link above.

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So allow me to point out that as of September, 2020, there probably was not a single subject one could find with such unanimity of conscience across the political spectrum, as the vulnerability to mass election fraud. From Mother Jones to CNET to Bloomberg to CNN to New York Times to Fox, our world was in rare complete agreement on the subject. Only four months ago, concern over the possibility of mass election fraud enjoyed the broadest consensus of any subject in our society one can think of. It seems worthy of mention now, given that its possibility is getting flushed down the Orwellian memory hole.

Beyond those kinds of hacks, they began to introduce me to other "hacks" understood in a broader sense. The extraordinary privileges enjoyed by precinct administrators, for example, to drag-and-drop a queue of hundreds of ballots waiting for adjudication (a point confirmed within the machine's operating handbook). Discussion was had of spikes in offshore packet traffic to certain locations during elections, though the full reasons for that were not yet fully understood.
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As the weeks ticked by this late summer and fall I became increasingly conversant with characters who were convinced we were on the edge of a massive election steal. They had meetings arranged with DHS in their state, and briefings were taken at least twice in September by DHS and propelled up the chain of command. only to be killed from Washington. In particular, a portion of DHS called CISA ("Cybsecurity & Infrastructure Security Agency") put the kibosh on further meetings. This was odd because election security is within their mandate: one might have thought they might be interested. And let me remind the reader, this was not just a ragtag bunch of misfits ("pajamahadeen" as they are sometimes known): these were professionals with extensive federal backgrounds, with all kinds of experiences of and certifications in matters cyber.

Then November 3, the night of the election, everything they had been predicting to me would happen, happened. For now, let me confine myself to a brief gloss of the oddities that stacked up, which were all instantiations of things they predicted might occur.
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Ask your local political science professor to explain why it is the case that to steal the national election one does not need, "widespread election fraud". If the professor is honest, you will hear, "Because instead of widespread election fraud, it only takes deep election fraud in six cities to flip the swing states they are in, to thereby flip the electoral college, and to thereby steal the election nationally. Those cities are Atlanta, Philadelphia, Detroit, Milwaukee, Phoenix, and Las Vegas."
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1) Zuckerberg paid counties that had voting problems $millions to teach them how to count the ballots.

2) These counties were openly hostile to republican poll watchers. We have all seen the video and photo evidence.

3) These counties kicked out poll watchers and stopped counting. Hours later, in the middle of the night, huge dumps of almost all Biden ballots hit the counts

4) Many states violated their own election laws to incorporate voting changes that made fraud much, much easier

5) In Detroit, the city could not square the number of ballots they had with their voter roles for 13 days. Even after 13 days, they still did not match.

6) The state of Georgia started a state-wide signature audit, and then abruptly cancelled it, focusing on one rural county

7) There still has not been a signature audit of Fulton county

It's a complete fraud job. None of these items above have been addressed by the media. Puff pieces like the above fail to address the relevant facts and do nothing but spin, spin, spin.
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John Weaver will be along shortly to post some non-sequitir/Chinese propaganda.
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New York Times: A waste of paper and electrons.
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It's a complete fraud job. None of these items above have been addressed by the media. Puff pieces like the above fail to address the relevant facts and do nothing but spin, spin, spin. lie, lie, lie.
FIFY.
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I didn't want either of the lib pieces of **** to even be on the ballot, let alone win, but if you can't see the outright fraud and common sense, then nothing will help.

There is no way....zero percent chance....that Biden LEGITIMATELY got that many votes. None. Nada. Zilch.
"The Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution was never designed to restrain the people. It was designed to restrain the government."
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Uh...6 Jan WAS a clown show.
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BigRobSA said:

I didn't want either of the lib pieces of **** to even be on the ballot, let alone win, but if you can't see the outright fraud and common sense, then nothing will help.

There is no way....zero percent chance....that Biden LEGITIMATELY got that many votes. None. Nada. Zilch.
Hey, sweetie! Know you hate Trump and understand why.

But there is just tooooo much stink here to ignore.

And everyone is going schizoid because of the covid crap that is messing with their personal lives and driving them and their kids crazy, suicidal crazy.

No one from Biden's Team has a freakin' clue what they are doing right now.
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Until the NYT and WashPo have spent the same amount of money and human resources investigating vote/ballot harvesting(Like Zuckerberg group) and voting irregularities in the five states in question as they did in the one state of Florida in 2001 after the Supreme Court had already decided the case in 2000, I will not be considering anything they report on in regards to Trump and his campaigns efforts to have the voting irregularities investigated.

And no, asking state and county officials if they think everything was kosher, does not count as an investigation.
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C@LAg said:

Also.. Page 1.

5 pages. 4 bans.

Lots of post deletions.
Already got 2 sock accounts on the thread.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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policywonk98 said:

Until the NYT and WashPo have spent the same amount of money and human resources investigating vote/ballot harvesting(Like Zuckerberg group) and voting irregularities in the five states in question as they did in the one state of Florida in 2001 after the Supreme Court had already decided the case in 2000, I will not be considering anything they report on in regards to Trump and his campaigns efforts to have the voting irregularities investigated.

And no, asking state and county officials if they think everything was kosher, does not count as an investigation.
Well said. Have only one star, so have a blue parachute to boot.
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aggiehawg said:

From last link above.

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So allow me to point out that as of September, 2020, there probably was not a single subject one could find with such unanimity of conscience across the political spectrum, as the vulnerability to mass election fraud. From Mother Jones to CNET to Bloomberg to CNN to New York Times to Fox, our world was in rare complete agreement on the subject. Only four months ago, concern over the possibility of mass election fraud enjoyed the broadest consensus of any subject in our society one can think of. It seems worthy of mention now, given that its possibility is getting flushed down the Orwellian memory hole.

Beyond those kinds of hacks, they began to introduce me to other "hacks" understood in a broader sense. The extraordinary privileges enjoyed by precinct administrators, for example, to drag-and-drop a queue of hundreds of ballots waiting for adjudication (a point confirmed within the machine's operating handbook). Discussion was had of spikes in offshore packet traffic to certain locations during elections, though the full reasons for that were not yet fully understood.
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As the weeks ticked by this late summer and fall I became increasingly conversant with characters who were convinced we were on the edge of a massive election steal. They had meetings arranged with DHS in their state, and briefings were taken at least twice in September by DHS and propelled up the chain of command. only to be killed from Washington. In particular, a portion of DHS called CISA ("Cybsecurity & Infrastructure Security Agency") put the kibosh on further meetings. This was odd because election security is within their mandate: one might have thought they might be interested. And let me remind the reader, this was not just a ragtag bunch of misfits ("pajamahadeen" as they are sometimes known): these were professionals with extensive federal backgrounds, with all kinds of experiences of and certifications in matters cyber.

Then November 3, the night of the election, everything they had been predicting to me would happen, happened. For now, let me confine myself to a brief gloss of the oddities that stacked up, which were all instantiations of things they predicted might occur.
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Ask your local political science professor to explain why it is the case that to steal the national election one does not need, "widespread election fraud". If the professor is honest, you will hear, "Because instead of widespread election fraud, it only takes deep election fraud in six cities to flip the swing states they are in, to thereby flip the electoral college, and to thereby steal the election nationally. Those cities are Atlanta, Philadelphia, Detroit, Milwaukee, Phoenix, and Las Vegas."

And no one in authority is listening, very disturbing.


Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
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And no one in authority is listening, very disturbing.
And I don't know why. Rudy deliberately torpedoed the cases, tarred and feathered Powell in the process. Barr pulled a Homer Simpson fading into the bushes (pun intended) and most AGs have been intimidated into being silent.

Could I have built a bulletproof case? No. There is no such thing.

Could I have structured enough of a case to survive dismissal? With an honest judge (big ask there) yeah.

Like the case in Antrim County demonstrated, a judge could be spurred to order a forensic exam based on what a 75 year old election worker copied and kept. The before the County used USBs to change her count and the after they changed the count. That was enough for a Michigan judge to say, "Okay, take a look at those machines."

And very dumb posters here recite dumb talking points that denigrate an opinion from a federal court judge BEFORE THE ELECTION stating that Dominion Voting Systems was crap, unsecure and the election was going to be a crapstorm. (My words, not hers.)

Every media outlet was predicting that electronic voting systems were too dangerous...until November 4, 2020. All of those are being scrubbed from media outlets like none of it ever happened.

Stasi is in control now.
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Fraud election. Fraud president. Fraud government.
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Born&Raised said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

The subversion of democracy was by the states that refused to follow their own election laws.


Run by people that supported trump for president ... that's odd
Uhh... not in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin
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geoag58 said:

My thoughts are you cannot have a fair election with

MAIL IN BALLOTS

PERIOD

Furthermore there has not been a proper investigation by non-partisan groups with subpoena power.

Will your side allow President Trump to hand pick the people to have subpoena power and investigate election fraud. At this point I wouldn't believe anything else! Especially not the NY slime!
No kidding. If it's not good enough for Amazon, it's not good enough for the federal government.
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sanangelo said:

In the NY Times is a good piece with lots of detail about the Trump 'disinformation' campaign to "subvert democracy." (gag!)

It starts out ominously enough:

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By Thursday the 12th of November, President Donald J. Trump's election lawyers were concluding that the reality he faced was the inverse of the narrative he was promoting in his comments and on Twitter. There was no substantial evidence of election fraud, and there were nowhere near enough "irregularities" to reverse the outcome in the courts.

Mr. Trump did not, could not, win the election, not by "a lot" or even a little. His presidency would soon be over.

Allegations of Democratic malfeasance had disintegrated in embarrassing fashion. A supposed suitcase of illegal ballots in Detroit proved to be a box of camera equipment. "Dead voters" were turning up alive in television and newspaper interviews.

The week was coming to a particularly demoralizing close: In Arizona, the Trump lawyers were preparing to withdraw their main lawsuit as the state tally showed Joseph R. Biden Jr. leading by more than 10,000 votes, against the 191 ballots they had identified for challenge.

Then it gives background on how Paxton ended up being the state AG who would file the lawsuit provided by Trump, of course. Paxton didn't write it:

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For every lawyer on Mr. Trump's team who quietly pulled back, there was one ready to push forward with propagandistic suits that skated the lines of legal ethics and reason. That included not only Mr. Giuliani and lawyers like Sidney Powell and Lin Wood, but also the vast majority of Republican attorneys general, whose dead-on-arrival Supreme Court lawsuit seeking to discount 20 million votes was secretly drafted by lawyers close to the White House, The Times found.

As traditional Republican donors withdrew, a new class of Trump-era benefactors rose to finance data analysts and sleuths to come up with fodder for the stolen-election narrative. Their ranks included the founder of MyPillow, Mike Lindell, and the former Overstock.com chief executive Patrick Byrne, who warned of "fake ballots" and voting-machine manipulation from China on One America News Network and Newsmax, which were finding ratings in their willingness to go further than Fox in embracing the fiction that Mr. Trump had won.

As Mr. Trump's official election campaign wound down, a new, highly organized campaign stepped into the breach to turn his demagogic fury into a movement of its own, reminding key lawmakers at key times of the cost of denying the will of the president and his followers. Called Women for America First, it had ties to Mr. Trump and former White House aides then seeking presidential pardons, among them Stephen K. Bannon and Michael T. Flynn.

As it crossed the country spreading the new gospel of a stolen election in Trump-red buses, the group helped build an acutely Trumpian coalition that included sitting and incoming members of Congress, rank-and-file voters and the "de-platformed" extremists and conspiracy theorists promoted on its home page including the white nationalist Jared Taylor, prominent QAnon proponents and the Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio.

With each passing day the lie grew, finally managing to do what the political process and the courts would not: upend the peaceful transfer of power that for 224 years had been the bedrock of American democracy.
Nitty gritty on Paxton and why he was chosen to deliver the payload to subvert democracy:

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Only one type of lawyer can take a case filed by one state against another directly to the Supreme Court: a state attorney general. The president's original election lawyers doubted that any attorney general would be willing to do so, according to one member of the team, speaking on the condition of anonymity. But Mr. Kobach and his colleagues were confident. After all, nine attorneys general were on the Trump campaign's lawyers group, whose recruitment logo featured the president as Uncle Sam, saying: "I want you to join Lawyers for Trump. Help prevent voter fraud on Election Day."

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The obvious choice to bring the suit was Ken Paxton of Texas, an ardent proponent of the president's voter-fraud narrative who had filed a number of lawsuits and legal memos challenging the pandemic-related expansion of mail-in voting. But he was compromised by a criminal investigation into whether he had inappropriately used his office to help a wealthy friend and donor. (He has denied wrongdoing.)

The Trump allies made a particularly intense appeal to Louisiana's attorney general, Jeffrey M. Landry, a member of Lawyers for Trump and, at the time, the head of the Republican Attorneys General Association.

He declined. Mr. Paxton would be the one. He decided to carry the case forward even after lawyers in his own office argued against it, including his own solicitor general, Kyle D. Hawkins, who refused to let his name be added to any complaint.

The piece meanders through the facts of what happened, winking towards its readership who knows anyone who believed the election was dishonest is a moron and were played by the president. The NY Times slant.

The conclusion is dire. There are still a lot of folks who believe the election was dishonest!

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It was all as Ms. Lawrence had predicted. "The MAGA movement is more than just Donald Trump," she said in an interview. "This is not going to go away when he leaves office."

Mr. Lindell [My Pillow guy] now says he has spent $2 million and counting on his continuing investigations of voting machines and foreign interference.

And Mr. Stockton recently announced a new plan on his Facebook page: a "MAGA Sellout Tour."
"What we do now is we take note of the people who betrayed President Trump in Congress and we get them out of Congress," he said. "We're going to make the Tea Party look tiny in comparison."

Source: NY Times. 77 Days: Trump's Campaign to Subvert the Election
Here's my take. Trump truly believes the election was stolen. People around him believe the election was stolen. I think even Bill Barr knows the election was stolen. Like Barr, we can't prove it, and now we can't mention our belief the election was stolen. There was too much silencing of dissent. Too many people ready to condemn anyone for casting doubts on the election. Something was up. Today, we are enduring 180 degree turnaround of whatever was done the previous 4 years. Then there is the impeachment that will enrage us.

There is a backlash coming, as that guy at the end of the piece said while promising this is bigger than any tea party movement. I think it's going to make Jan. 6 look like a clown show.

Final thought: This piece reads like a Shelby Foote narrative of the Civil War. A really good read.

What are your thoughts?
The NYT is the newspaper equivalent to CNN.
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aggiehawg said:

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And no one in authority is listening, very disturbing.
And I don't know why. Rudy deliberately torpedoed the cases, tarred and feathered Powell in the process. Barr pulled a Homer Simpson fading into the bushes (pun intended) and most AGs have been intimidated into being silent.

Could I have built a bulletproof case? No. There is no such thing.

Could I have structured enough of a case to survive dismissal? With an honest judge (big ask there) yeah.

Like the case in Antrim County demonstrated, a judge could be spurred to order a forensic exam based on what a 75 year old election worker copied and kept. The before the County used USBs to change her count and the after they changed the count. That was enough for a Michigan judge to say, "Okay, take a look at those machines."

And very dumb posters here recite dumb talking points that denigrate an opinion from a federal court judge BEFORE THE ELECTION stating that Dominion Voting Systems was crap, unsecure and the election was going to be a crapstorm. (My words, not hers.)

Every media outlet was predicting that electronic voting systems were too dangerous...until November 4, 2020. All of those are being scrubbed from media outlets like none of it ever happened.

Stasi is in control now.


Not to mention an orchestrated propaganda and smear campaign to label anyone concerned with fraud as a kook and conspiracy nut or worse an insurrectionist.
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The election was stolen. It is a fraud upon the American people. Now, they are in power and subverting the 1st Amendment and will try and do the same thing to the 2nd Amendment. The reason why the capital is surrounded by fences and razor wire and 5000 national guardsmen are present, is because they are ruling against the will of the American people. Now that they are in power, they will DO ANYTHING to keep it. This includes statehood for D.C. and Puerto Rico, packing the Supreme Court, etc. Meanwhile, President Biden will rule via Executive Orders and crush the oil and gas industry and tax us to death in the name of climate change. In the words of Rahm Emmanuel, "never let a crisis go to waste."
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Rudy deliberately torpedoed the cases, tarred and feathered Powell in the process.
whats this? did something come out recently on this?
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BMX Bandit said:

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Rudy deliberately torpedoed the cases, tarred and feathered Powell in the process.
whats this? did something come out recently on this?
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From my own observations, there is more than a grain of truth in what Byrne is relaying. Was Rudy really that incompetent, drinking heavily and sowing chaos within his team because he was on a booze soaked ego trip?

Or was the boozing just a cover?

From my research into the history of electronic voting machines, I have little doubt that past elections were manipulated by both Republicans and Democrats and that neither side really wants to go down that road and burn themselves in the conflagration that would ensue in an honest in depth and unfettered investigation. (Go back and study the 2004 election and the use of paperless Diebold DREs. There was enough stink that Sec of State of California decertified Diebold machines a few months before the election.)

And they sure as hell won't be hoisted by their own petard for an outside and controversial figure such as Trump.
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Seems legit

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