Racial Equiity

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aTmAg said:

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Vader Was Framed said:

FYI for some posters, there is a fundamental difference between equality and equity.




https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/equality-vs-equity-difference
So Democrats maintain power by deciding who gets boxes and who doesn't. Got it.


A more accurate depiction for what democrats want to do would be to chop the legs off the taller people so none of them can see the game.
Worth repeating !!
Somebody needs to photoshop that and make it viral.
what really needs to be seen is that manipulation has forced the fence to be built taller so the tall person can no longer see. The middle person has their box completely removed. All three end up with the third.

The first person sees the obstruction as an opportunity and finds himself many years later enjoying a leisure afternoon ball game from inside the stadium

The middle person also see opportunity but maybe ends up working at the stadium. Not a leisure afternoon but i side the stadium non the less.

The third person has taken their boxes, arranged them into a chair, table, and tv stand formation. Using subsequent boxes to purchase a new tv, phone, chips, and beer. All the while enjoying the same leisure afternoon ball game on the tv.

In either scenario the manipulation did not force behavior change or alter the starting point, but it did reinforce bad habits that already existed.

In the end you got neither equity nor equality.

Because life outcomes is in large part about individual decisions. The equity comes in teaching outcomes to various decisions across the board universally.
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Point taken (and agreed with). However, that's a long story to present in one picture.

What I would do is remove the boxes (since the tall guy makes them), have the short guy trying to strap on the severed legs of the tall guy while none of them can see over the fence.
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Clark Griswold said:

This push by this dog**** administration is such a ****ing joke. Equity will never be achieved. Ever. People aren't equal. Cultures aren't equal. Asians and Indians are so successful in this country because their primary cultural emphasis- hard work - is what this country was founded upon. Black people are the least successful group in this country because their culture is broken.
There's no admission of their accountability for their own failures. It's all about catering to an easy sell of victimhood that allows them to point fingers at everyone else.

Those of you that voted for this stupid bull**** deserve every bit of pain you're going to experience.


actually asian success in the country (mostly limited to East Asians and Indians) is mostly due to the fact that we only allowed educated ones (doctors, engineers, etc.) to immigrate here in the early 20th century. other Asian minorities (mainly SE Asian subgroups) experience poverty at similar rates to black people.

the collective modern day success of an ethnic minority in this country has a lot to do with where that group started.
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Reminds me of this song:
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DD88 said:


Job well done! Post that mofo on reddit somewhere.
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Old McDonald said:

Clark Griswold said:

This push by this dog**** administration is such a ****ing joke. Equity will never be achieved. Ever. People aren't equal. Cultures aren't equal. Asians and Indians are so successful in this country because their primary cultural emphasis- hard work - is what this country was founded upon. Black people are the least successful group in this country because their culture is broken.
There's no admission of their accountability for their own failures. It's all about catering to an easy sell of victimhood that allows them to point fingers at everyone else.

Those of you that voted for this stupid bull**** deserve every bit of pain you're going to experience.


actually asian success in the country (mostly limited to East Asians and Indians) is mostly due to the fact that we only allowed educated ones (doctors, engineers, etc.) to immigrate here in the early 20th century. other Asian minorities (mainly SE Asian subgroups) experience poverty at similar rates to black people.

the collective modern day success of an ethnic minority in this country has a lot to do with where that group started.

Idk, the Asians I know all work hard.
I have a co-worker who came to America dirt poor, his family escaped the communist take over of his country by sneaking out of the country across the border in the dark of night when he was an infant. Eventually making their way to America as refugees. His dad worked as a janitor for a big US corporation and raised like 7 kids or something, so they were very poor, but I think all made it to college. He's in a STEM field now. Escaped poverty in one generation. So there is generational poverty, but it's very much a learned behavior, and anyone willing to focus and work in the US and pass that to their kids will see their kids break the cycle.
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Old McDonald said:

Clark Griswold said:

This push by this dog**** administration is such a ****ing joke. Equity will never be achieved. Ever. People aren't equal. Cultures aren't equal. Asians and Indians are so successful in this country because their primary cultural emphasis- hard work - is what this country was founded upon. Black people are the least successful group in this country because their culture is broken.
There's no admission of their accountability for their own failures. It's all about catering to an easy sell of victimhood that allows them to point fingers at everyone else.

Those of you that voted for this stupid bull**** deserve every bit of pain you're going to experience.


actually asian success in the country (mostly limited to East Asians and Indians) is mostly due to the fact that we only allowed educated ones (doctors, engineers, etc.) to immigrate here in the early 20th century. other Asian minorities (mainly SE Asian subgroups) experience poverty at similar rates to black people.

the collective modern day success of an ethnic minority in this country has a lot to do with where that group started.
It's cultural. People who were raised in a destructive culture often perpetuate that destructive culture. American blacks have among the worst cultural problems of anybody. So much so that first generation blacks who migrate from Africa tend to do better than native born blacks even though African immigrants tend to start out more poor. That is an uncomfortable fact for those who try to push the "it's because of racism" angle.
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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

Clark Griswold said:

This push by this dog**** administration is such a ****ing joke. Equity will never be achieved. Ever. People aren't equal. Cultures aren't equal. Asians and Indians are so successful in this country because their primary cultural emphasis- hard work - is what this country was founded upon. Black people are the least successful group in this country because their culture is broken.
There's no admission of their accountability for their own failures. It's all about catering to an easy sell of victimhood that allows them to point fingers at everyone else.

Those of you that voted for this stupid bull**** deserve every bit of pain you're going to experience.


Tell us what experience you have with black culture.


I grew up in a poor area with bullets, gangs, drugs, etc. 25% white, 25% hispanic, 10% other, and 40% black.

I can attest that what the poster said is true not only in regards to black popular culture but also in regards to poor culture in general. that being said, you don't have to live it to be able to look at the statistics to see what is going on in these situations....its very plain and easy to see.

Families that are poor for generations are not poor because of racism- especially black families. They are poor because of poor decisions, a reliance on the system. Black people in these situations know what programs to work and how to work them. They know they can make enough on welfare to have the same quality of life without a job and popping out babies on the regular as with a job ...the former is easier so they choose it.

The difference between the whites I knew in these neighborhoods and the blacks and Hispanics was that the blacks and Hispanics had a much better understanding of how to game the system. It was family knowledge.

I was always amazed that kids whose parents had no jobs had better clothes and more food than my family with my father working.

But here is where you see the difference...with my parents not relying on the system for support and not knowing how or desiring to game it- my brother has an MBA. I am a doctor. Sister is a nurse.

Because my parents forced us to work hard in school.

everyone else I knew from the neighborhood is still there, doing the same old same old, in jail, or dead. the blacks that get out of the system are scoffed at by other blacks, called house n****, told they aren't really black, called uncle toms, etc.

and that is the issue. there is a large segment of blacks that honestly believe that you can't "be black" unless you speak ebonics, wear dreadlocks, knock a girl up in highscool, etc. and its black celebrities, etc. that promote this.

and a big part of that is a lack of fathers in the home to provide a role model.
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Old McDonald said:

Clark Griswold said:

This push by this dog**** administration is such a ****ing joke. Equity will never be achieved. Ever. People aren't equal. Cultures aren't equal. Asians and Indians are so successful in this country because their primary cultural emphasis- hard work - is what this country was founded upon. Black people are the least successful group in this country because their culture is broken.
There's no admission of their accountability for their own failures. It's all about catering to an easy sell of victimhood that allows them to point fingers at everyone else.

Those of you that voted for this stupid bull**** deserve every bit of pain you're going to experience.


actually asian success in the country (mostly limited to East Asians and Indians) is mostly due to the fact that we only allowed educated ones (doctors, engineers, etc.) to immigrate here in the early 20th century. other Asian minorities (mainly SE Asian subgroups) experience poverty at similar rates to black people.

the collective modern day success of an ethnic minority in this country has a lot to do with where that group started.


wrong. many Asians come here and work 2 jobs to put their kids through school and college and force their kids to work hard and be successful.

that is why Asians are successful.

I will point out the study that was done in New York- a community of black people in a neighborhood divided into west indian black immigrants and black Americans.

the children of the west indian immigrants were overwhelmingly less likely to be arrested for violent crimes, be involved with drugs, have children out of wedlock, and live below the poverty line and were way more likely to have graduated from highschool, graduate from college, and live middle to upper middle class lives.

The kids went to the same public schools. The kids had the same accents (american- because the immigrant kids were first generations). They were policed by the same LEO'S.

The only difference was culture at home. The children of the immigrants had two parents at home who focused on education as a means for improving their children's situations. whatever institutional racism they experienced (not saying it DID exist because the success of the children shows overwhelmingly that there is NO institutional racism) was the same as the American born blacks.

the only difference was culture at home.

black america has a broken culture. period. it's not something outsiders can fix. it has to be fixed within their communities. the fastest way to do this is to stop immigration which is driving down wages, and phase out welfare so that the poor community is forced to stand on their own two feet while bringing back blue collar jobs that have been outsourced to China and other countries.

but its not even so much a black culture. its more simply put the American culture of poverty that our welfare system has created.
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Helicopter Ben said:

Gumby said:


I'm a Libertarian who hates taxes but I think equity is a better concept than equality. If you look at the example there are 3 boxes in both pictures. Think of those 3 boxes as taxes. The same amount of tax is being collected in both photos.

The difference is in the equity scenario, you aren't throwing taxes towards someone who doesn't need it. Like the government sending me a check when my income actually increased in 2020. I would rather them take my portion and send it to someone who lost their job.


As always, this is ignoring the true problem. "WHO are these angels that will organize society for us?"

This cartoon attempts to simplify a complex problem. With how corrupt our government has become, who can be trusted to decide who needs what?

Oh, and there's nothing stopping you from donating your portion to those in need...


I agree that is the problem. The concept is not the problem, its the fact that humans are so flawed they muck it up.

I could say the same thing about the free market. We have seen over and over that a completely unregulated free market leads to abuse, fraud, and corruption. Does that mean the concept of free markets is a bad concept? No, it means that because some people are aholes, we have to regulate markets.

The concept of equity is fine. The problem is the power hungry a holes that get involved in implementing it.
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Vader Was Framed said:

FYI for some posters, there is a fundamental difference between equality and equity.




https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/equality-vs-equity-difference


Why does that black father in the first picture not give a crap about his two children?
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Besides which country you are born in, in my view the most important factor by far in explaining disparities in all manner of life outcomes (poverty, unemployment, crime, education, you name it) is whether you were born out-of-wedlock. And since Americans are very interested in racial disparities, from time to time I post the federal government's latest data on this topic.

Late last year, the final data for 2018 were published here (the key is Table 9 on page 25), and here's what we learn: For all racial and ethnic groups combined, 39.6 percent of births in the United States were out-of-wedlock (incidentally, isn't that appalling?). And there was as always a tremendous range among groups. For blacks, the number is 69.4 percent; for American Indians/Alaska Natives, 68.2 percent (Native Hawaiians/Other Pacific Islanders were at 50.4 percent); for Hispanics, 51.8 percent; for whites, 28.2 percent; and for Asian Americans, a paltry 11.7 percent.

But it hasn't always been this way. In 1940, the black illegitimacy rate was 19 percent, less than what it is for whites now.

Does it matter? Of course it matters. It is only common sense that 1.3 million illegitimate children is a significant national problem.

Anyone who has raised a child knows how enormously time-consuming the job is for two parents, let alone one. Anyone who has raised a boy, in particular, knows that the father's role, as model and disciplinarian, is irreplaceable. Anyone who is not Murphy Brown knows that the resources in terms of time and money available to a two-parent home make the job easier there than where there is only one parent. To paraphrase George Orwell, some things are so obvious that only a sociologist can miss them.

The staggering illegitimacy rates are so central a cause of social pathologies, especially for African Americans, that one would expect the problem to be widely known and discussed but it isn't. Among academics and the media, it has long been oh-so-politically-incorrect to suggest that there might be something wrong with having children without getting married. But now the problem goes deeper than that. Over half the public, and 70 percent of those under age 35, think that no shame should attach to having an out-of-wedlock child, according to Professor Wilson.

It is also politically incorrect to point out the disparity in illegitimacy rates between whites and Asians versus blacks, Hispanics, and Native Americans. What is especially galling to the left is that the gap can hardly be attributed to discrimination. It is not the Ku Klux Klan that is impregnating all these women. Indeed, the rates really started to skyrocket in the 1960s that is, the same decade that the Jim Crow era ended and national anti-discrimination legislation was passed. And it is not all minority groups that have the higher rates.

A child's environment IS his or her parents. It makes an enormous difference to a child's economic well-being and his moral and intellectual development if the mother must do the work alone. When the illegitimacy rate of blacks is more than triple that of whites, there will continue to be huge gaps in the aggregate achievements and pathologies of the two groups. That is a fact, and anyone who fails to acknowledge the problem of illegitimacy while decrying social inequality is being intellectually dishonest.

https://www.ceousa.org/issues/1354-percentage-of-births-to-unmarried-women

If the black community wants to solve issues, they need to encourage their people to get married before having children. It's appalling that Democrats really don't care about out-of-wedlock births and the undeniable fact that the mothers and children are highly likely to be sentenced to a life of poverty. This is because they don't see marriage as a critical institution to be supported or admired. They believe the unwed mother and out-of-wedlock children will be government dependent and will be more easily manipulated to vote Democrat.
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Clark Griswold said:

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

Clark Griswold said:

This push by this dog**** administration is such a ****ing joke. Equity will never be achieved. Ever. People aren't equal. Cultures aren't equal. Asians and Indians are so successful in this country because their primary cultural emphasis- hard work - is what this country was founded upon. Black people are the least successful group in this country because their culture is broken.
There's no admission of their accountability for their own failures. It's all about catering to an easy sell of victimhood that allows them to point fingers at everyone else.

Those of you that voted for this stupid bull**** deserve every bit of pain you're going to experience.


Tell us what experience you have with black culture.


I know many black people, grew up with them, etc. like most here. I also have eyes and a brain and can do research. I also grew up poor with a single parent. Neither parent finished high school. I have 3 degrees and am by all accounts very successful. Please explain to me how that happened? Did my skin color give me magical powers?

Guess what it didn't give me? Unwarranted admission into academic programs I wasn't qualified for or scholarships based purely on my skin color.
So you have almost no experience with black culture other than what you watched on MTV. That's all you had to say.
If you say you hate the state of politics in this nation and you don't get involved in it, you obviously don't hate the state of politics in this nation.
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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

Clark Griswold said:

This push by this dog**** administration is such a ****ing joke. Equity will never be achieved. Ever. People aren't equal. Cultures aren't equal. Asians and Indians are so successful in this country because their primary cultural emphasis- hard work - is what this country was founded upon. Black people are the least successful group in this country because their culture is broken.
There's no admission of their accountability for their own failures. It's all about catering to an easy sell of victimhood that allows them to point fingers at everyone else.

Those of you that voted for this stupid bull**** deserve every bit of pain you're going to experience.


Tell us what experience you have with black culture.


Edited and chopped for simplicity.

The black community isn't holding itself accountable, for problems it has created within the family unit.

Equality is a derivative of personal accountability across society.
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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

Clark Griswold said:

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

Clark Griswold said:

This push by this dog**** administration is such a ****ing joke. Equity will never be achieved. Ever. People aren't equal. Cultures aren't equal. Asians and Indians are so successful in this country because their primary cultural emphasis- hard work - is what this country was founded upon. Black people are the least successful group in this country because their culture is broken.
There's no admission of their accountability for their own failures. It's all about catering to an easy sell of victimhood that allows them to point fingers at everyone else.

Those of you that voted for this stupid bull**** deserve every bit of pain you're going to experience.


Tell us what experience you have with black culture.


I know many black people, grew up with them, etc. like most here. I also have eyes and a brain and can do research. I also grew up poor with a single parent. Neither parent finished high school. I have 3 degrees and am by all accounts very successful. Please explain to me how that happened? Did my skin color give me magical powers?

Guess what it didn't give me? Unwarranted admission into academic programs I wasn't qualified for or scholarships based purely on my skin color.
So you have almost no experience with black culture other than what you watched on MTV. That's all you had to say.


Please tell us all what constitutes "experience" in your eyes.

Your response is weak and makes it obvious you don't have **** to add to this thread.
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Vader Was Framed said:

FYI for some posters, there is a fundamental difference between equality and equity.




https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/equality-vs-equity-difference


Then why not institute a ladder tax to enforce equity equality, oh that's right, we already have.

There's so many gaps in this stupid graphic.
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This push by this dog**** administration is such a ****ing joke. Equity will never be achieved. Ever. People aren't equal. Cultures aren't equal. Asians and Indians are so successful in this country because their primary cultural emphasis- hard work - is what this country was founded upon. Black people are the least successful group in this country because their culture is broken.

You mean like how a they have had a black president now vp?
Sounds like they have made it in America.

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Those of you that voted for this stupid bull**** deserve every bit of pain you're going to experience.

And those who did not vote for it.
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