Currently, NY state law requires redistricting maps be drawn by a bipartisan redistricting commission. 2/3 of the legislature has to approve the map.

While the bipartisan redistricting committee would stay intact, the new proposal (going to voters in November) would change the voting requirement into a simple majority. In theory, this would allow the Dems to take 5 districts from the GOP.

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2021/01/28/new-york-dems-may-gain-big-strategical-advantage-despite-potential-loss-of-house-seat-1022602/

GOP needs to cheat more in the states they control

Yeah good luck holding your breath waiting for AOC/Pelosi/Sanders/Schumer (or pick your favorite moderate) lamenting how unfair this is. They know re-apportionment from the census is costing them 4 to 8 seats, so they'll just steal another 10-24 in blue states.

Gerrymandering is absolutely evil, depriving people of their basic rights.

That should be permanently barred in every single state, including New York, and every state that started gerrymandering in 2010

And of course this means Texas as well.

JW said:

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System is broken. Texit.

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How is this an example of "the system" being "broken"?

This is precisely what happens in redistributing fights in practically every state.

There are computer programs that can do it very fairly. I am not sure why we just haven't gone that way.

dallasiteinsa02 said:

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There are computer programs that can do it very fairly. I am not sure why we just haven't gone that way.

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Only as "fair" as the input being entered.

BMX Bandit said:

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dallasiteinsa02 said:

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There are computer programs that can do it very fairly. I am not sure why we just haven't gone that way.

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Only as "fair" as the input being entered.

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Geometry

• Equal population
• Contiguous
• Compact
• Minimal county / municipality splits

That is all that it should be.

They draw out five seats they'll get crushed in a wave election. Gerrymandering always comes back to bite its creators. That's why I don't worry about it.

What about all the folks fleeing NYC? Won't this work against the Dems efforts here?

dallasiteinsa02 said:

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There are computer programs that can do it very fairly. I am not sure why we just haven't gone that way.

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Fair?

Seriously?

What does fair have to do with anything? Are we a nation of 5 year olds?

dallasiteinsa02 said:

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There are computer programs that can do it very fairly. I am not sure why we just haven't gone that way.

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I've been told Dominion has the best system.

dallasiteinsa02 said:

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There are computer programs that can do it very fairly. I am not sure why we just haven't gone that way.

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Entrenched political powers are desperate to retain power and fear democracy.

CondensedFoggyAggie said:

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Gerrymandering is absolutely evil, depriving people of their basic rights.

That should be permanently barred in every single state, including New York, and every state that started gerrymandering in 2010

And of course this means Texas as well.

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You mean like this?

33rd & 35th are much much worse examples.

That cut out center portion of 18th is still very predominantly democrat. But Hispanic so Sylvia Garcia gets that area





And as twk can astutely explain, packing democrats into these districts is GOOD for republicans

bad_teammate said:

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dallasiteinsa02 said:

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There are computer programs that can do it very fairly. I am not sure why we just haven't gone that way.

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Entrenched political powers are desperate to retain power and fear democracy.

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Purely geographic based maps would draw a significant number of African Americans out of seats.

You okay with that?

BMX Bandit said:

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33rd & 35th are much much worse examples.

That cut out center portion of 18th is still very predominantly democrat. But Hispanic so Sylvia Garcia gets that area

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Oh I know but the poster I responded to was pretending gerrymandering didn't happen in Texas until 2010. And that is just a stupid and ill informed contention.

Speaking of gerrymandering in TX, the new lines will be drawn to make Lizzie Fletcher seat no longer a tossup. That's going to make some posters very upset.

aggiehawg said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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33rd & 35th are much much worse examples.

That cut out center portion of 18th is still very predominantly democrat. But Hispanic so Sylvia Garcia gets that area

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Oh I know but the poster I responded to was pretending gerrymandering didn't happen in Texas until 2010. And that is just a stupid and ill informed contention.

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His brain is a bit "foggy" when it comes to history. Especially when history doesn't support the position he's pushing at the moment.

Username definitely checks out.

CondensedFoggyAggie said:

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Gerrymandering is absolutely evil, depriving people of their basic rights.

That should be permanently barred in every single state, including New York, and every state that started gerrymandering in 2010

And of course this means Texas as well.

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Iirc Texas did it 2013 did not have enough votes to make it happen after the census

CondensedFoggyAggie said:

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Gerrymandering is absolutely evil, depriving people of their basic rights.

That should be permanently barred in every single state, including New York, and every state that started gerrymandering in 2010

And of course this means Texas as well.

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I can't tell. Is this sarcasim I am missing?

If not, just FYI, the US wasn't founded in 2010. 1812 was when the phrase was coined, after only the 3rd Census in our history.

Yeah gerrymandering is as old as the republic. Odd to think it started in 2010

BMX Bandit said:

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Speaking of gerrymandering in TX, the new lines will be drawn to make Lizzie Fletcher seat no longer a tossup. That's going to make some posters very upset.

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Looked her up since I didn't know who she was. Her district.



Some of these are reminding me of Rorschach Tests.

dallasiteinsa02 said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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dallasiteinsa02 said:

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There are computer programs that can do it very fairly. I am not sure why we just haven't gone that way.

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Only as "fair" as the input being entered.

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Geometry

• Equal population
• Contiguous
• Compact
• Minimal county / municipality splits

That is all that it should be.

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That would not be enough. When the results don't lead to an outcome with a certain racial balance, it will be called unfair.