China still generates 65% of their electricity from coal. Single digits achievable for them in 14 yrs? Rhetorical question. We know the answer

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OP will depressed when this doesn't pan out

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He's been largely absent since he was completely wrong on Brexit. Maybe he's recovered from that and this is his new play.

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We don't have enough lithium. We simply don't.

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I'm so old, I remember when the Chevy Volt was supposed to revolutionize the whole industry, with all of it's incredible technology/breakthroughs.

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EV1 says hold my beer

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MouthBQ98 said:

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We don't have enough lithium. We simply don't.

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...the RGV.

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Finally get some use out of the place!

Tesla is at the top of their game and has been doing this a while...

"For any Tesla car, the battery will last for at least 250 miles on a single charge. The range really depends on how you are driving and how large your battery is. "

Then 10 hours to charge.


Its fantasy.

This will help greatly but isn't going to work for many as often as needed.

General Motors in 2040

The newest Tesla has a range of 520 miles and can charge in 30 minutes at a supercharger. That's not far off (if not already there) from handling any daily driving demand someone could have. You can certainly argue power generation/battery supply will not be high enough to sustain the demand, but EVs certainly have the potential to absolutely take over the roads.

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China still generates 65% of their electricity from coal. Single digits achievable for them in 14 yrs? Rhetorical question. We know the answer

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And pretty sure they are also still building new coal power plants. That's the thing that not enough left wingers realize. If China keeps polluting at their current rate there's nothing that anyone else in the world could do to slow down CO2 emissions significantly enough to reach whatever goals they have. China has no intent of slowing down their pollution. They will just deny that they are polluting. They are very good at lying.

They also cost way more than the average consumer can afford.

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The newest Tesla has a range of 520 miles and can charge in 30 minutes at a supercharger. That's not far off (if not already there) from handling any daily driving demand someone could have. You can certainly argue power generation/battery supply will not be high enough to sustain the demand, but EVs certainly have the potential to absolutely take over the roads.

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Be more common on the roads? Yes. Take over the roads? Not in the next 10 years. Hybrids haven't even done that yet.

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Millions of Chevy truck owners are going to have to hold their noses and go Ford or Dodge.

GM wants to get out of the auto business if they want to ditch gasoline.

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Toyota, a real American company will welcome their business.

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In all seriousness Toyota is doing the Ray Liotta laugh right now.

Ford and Gm got out of cars ( focused on trucks and suvs) basically handing them the market and a virtual tap- out.

Now all electric by 2035?

Here is some pointed criticism from Toyota ceo on electric car fad

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.carscoops.com/2020/12/toyota-president-lashes-out-at-electric-vehicle-push-and-ice-bans/amp/

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So how far can an electric pickup pull a loaded horse trailer before the battery runs down?

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As soon as someone makes one, we'll find out.

The best Tesla sedan has a ~270 mile range at highway speeds (EPA rated for ~400, but you lose ~30% of that at a 75 mph cruise). If a truck could match the sedan's range and loses another 25% of its efficiency from towing, you're looking at maybe 200 miles.

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It would be much worse in hills since it would have much more than it's own weight to drag up the hill.

Maybe everyone needs to start riding shetland ponies so that they have smaller horses and smaller trailers.

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Watched another video those guys did with a 4500lb trailer, and it used 1% battery per mile. So, much worse than I estimated.

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Rivian is testing their electric truck prototypes and they are saying range is cut in half when towing at max load

https://rivian.com/support/article/how-does-towing-affect-range

61% chance it comes from Coal, NG or Nuclear Power plants

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So how far can an electric pickup pull a loaded horse trailer before the battery runs down?

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As soon as someone makes one, we'll find out.

The best Tesla sedan has a ~270 mile range at highway speeds (EPA rated for ~400, but you lose ~30% of that at a 75 mph cruise). If a truck could match the sedan's range and loses another 25% of its efficiency from towing, you're looking at maybe 200 miles.

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It would be much worse in hills since it would have much more than it's own weight to drag up the hill.

Maybe everyone needs to start riding shetland ponies so that they have smaller horses and smaller trailers.

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Watched another video those guys did with a 4500lb trailer, and it used 1% battery per mile. So, much worse than I estimated.

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Rivian is testing their electric truck prototypes and they are saying range is cut in half when towing at max load

https://rivian.com/support/article/how-does-towing-affect-range

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I assume that is on flat land. How about in the mountains?

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The newest Tesla has a range of 520 miles and can charge in 30 minutes at a supercharger. That's not far off (if not already there) from handling any daily driving demand someone could have. You can certainly argue power generation/battery supply will not be high enough to sustain the demand, but EVs certainly have the potential to absolutely take over the roads.

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At what speed?

Supposedly, at highway speeds, the range is significantly lower.

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So how far can an electric pickup pull a loaded horse trailer before the battery runs down?

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As soon as someone makes one, we'll find out.

The best Tesla sedan has a ~270 mile range at highway speeds (EPA rated for ~400, but you lose ~30% of that at a 75 mph cruise). If a truck could match the sedan's range and loses another 25% of its efficiency from towing, you're looking at maybe 200 miles.

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It would be much worse in hills since it would have much more than it's own weight to drag up the hill.

Maybe everyone needs to start riding shetland ponies so that they have smaller horses and smaller trailers.

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Watched another video those guys did with a 4500lb trailer, and it used 1% battery per mile. So, much worse than I estimated.

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Rivian is testing their electric truck prototypes and they are saying range is cut in half when towing at max load

https://rivian.com/support/article/how-does-towing-affect-range

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I assume that is on flat land. How about in the mountains?

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Looks like they did testing at multiple elevations and grades.

https://www.carscoops.com/2020/09/rivian-r1t-can-tow-up-to-11000-lbs-but-it-will-cut-the-range-in-half/

Sad that the masses are misled so easily. Asking too much for real truth in the matter. But a good side benefit. It is the need to believe. Oh well.

Electric vehicle sales are growing by 50% or so annually. Gas powered vehicle sales are increasing by 2%. I wouldn't be surprised to see the majority of vehicles by electric within 15-20 years.

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Electric vehicle sales are growing by 50% or so annually. Gas powered vehicle sales are increasing by 2%. I wouldn't be surprised to see the majority of vehicles by electric within 15-20 years.

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Or the denominator of those two percentages make your analysis faulty.

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Electric vehicle sales are growing by 50% or so annually. Gas powered vehicle sales are increasing by 2%. I wouldn't be surprised to see the majority of vehicles by electric within 15-20 years.

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Or the denominator of those two percentages make your analysis faulty.

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We'll see. In 2011, electric car sales in the US were 15,000 cars. In 2020, electrical car sales in the US were 400,000.

Pretty crazy growth in a decade.

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Electric vehicle sales are growing by 50% or so annually. Gas powered vehicle sales are increasing by 2%. I wouldn't be surprised to see the majority of vehicles by electric within 15-20 years.

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Or the denominator of those two percentages make your analysis faulty.

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We'll see. In 2011, electric car sales in the US were 15,000 cars. In 2020, electrical car sales in the US were 400,000.

Pretty crazy growth in a decade.

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We sold 15 million cars this year. 2% growth is 300,000 cars.

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hbtheduce said:

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Electric vehicle sales are growing by 50% or so annually. Gas powered vehicle sales are increasing by 2%. I wouldn't be surprised to see the majority of vehicles by electric within 15-20 years.

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Or the denominator of those two percentages make your analysis faulty.

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We'll see. In 2011, electric car sales in the US were 15,000 cars. In 2020, electrical car sales in the US were 400,000.

Pretty crazy growth in a decade.

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We sold 15 million cars this year. 2% growth is 300,000 cars.

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Yep. And if the growth rate even stays around 35%, we could see 10 million electric vehicles sold per year in 2030.

It doesn't matter how many cars get bought. It's a utopia to think that many cars has reduced our dependence on fossil fuels. We still have to produce the charging stations. We still have to produce the components of the renewable energy plants that supply the power. We still gotta produce the batteries and the storage, etc., etc. I will be buying another 3/4 ton diesel truck because that's what I want and to my knowledge there's no way the government can keep me from buying the type of vehicle I want (yet)

Never happen. These things are always by 2035, or 2050, or 2075. Just nonsense every time.

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https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/28/general-motors-plans-to-exclusively-offer-electric-vehicles-by-2035.html

This is great news all around, though hopefully they can bring in the deadline yet another five years or so. Its now time to get all the infrastructure in place. This can't come soon enough to help greatly reduce our dependency on oil.

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DETROIT General Motors wants to end production of all diesel- and gasoline-powered cars, trucks and SUVs by 2035 and shift its entire new fleet to electric vehicles as part of a broader plan to become carbon neutral by 2040, the company said Thursday.

The company plans to use 100% renewable energy to power its U.S. facilities by 2030 and global facilities by 2035 five years ahead of a previously announced goal.

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Sofa king stupid!!!!!

Posted this meme in the camaro thread but it's more fitting here

Lol. That is chump change. We spent that yesterday on Funyuns via food stamps.

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He added that the infrastructure needed to support a complete transition to EVs would cost the country the equivalent of $135 billion to $358 billion, according to The Wall Street Journal.

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We don't have enough lithium. We simply don't.

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Lithium is quite abundant. Our reserves are low because we simply haven't really invested any resources in developing it here.

The rare earths aren't really even an issue if we are willing to strip mine all of the Mojave and parts of the RGV.

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The new administration hates fracking, but I bet strip mining makes them bust a blood vessel.

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I wonder where all of that electricity will come from?

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avocado oil

I'm in the market for a new gas guzzling carbon producing fuel burning truck. I can't imagine a dirty coal car (read EV) could ever produce enough power to pull a boat, so they can to get stuffed!!!!

OP's troll mission yet again is achieved. And a five pager. Why not just ignore the troll from the get go (eg page 1)?

Aggieangler93 said:

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I'm in the market for a new gas guzzling carbon producing fuel burning truck. I can't imagine a dirty coal car (read EV) could ever produce enough power to pull a boat, so they can to get stuffed!!!!

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I'm a fan of the Tacoma!