bad_teammate said:

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MouthBQ98 said:

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Studies show that over all, conservatives tend to view their opposition as misguided more than malicious, while the liberal and progressive left tend to view conservatives as malicious more than misguided, when viewed as categories based on political ideology.

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No idea what these studies are, but this doesn't comport with what I've seen in studies regarding the emotional nature of political allegiance.

Conservatives are fearful. Liberals are secure.

Fearful people are more hateful

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Old Army Ghost said:

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Life is more than politics. God reigns no matter whonis in The White House.

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The Jews were slaves for a long while. Paul was beaten numerous times and eventually killed by the Romans. Peter was crucified upside down. John was exiled. They persecute Christians in China every day. etc etc

It's almost like your post is saying it's all good because God reigns. Ultimately it will in the afterlife.

Just because God reigns doesn't mean believers and the nation won't suffer. Buckle up because its coming.

Liberals have truly made me into a hateful person. The constant lies, constant whites are racists. I'd rather get their heads and smash em into a brick wall now. In past I'd just say 'sure". Not anymore, I want nothing to do with you *******.

A few fairly well documented and reviewed studies also show that people on the left tend to be slightly more neurotic than people on the right. There are several that could be referenced.

Keep in mind it is usually liberal researchers in the social sciences doing these studies.

GOP...no

Conservatives... yes

Old Army Ghost said:

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Life is more than politics. God reigns no matter whonis in The White House.

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In the R&P forum it may not matter but this is the politics board where the person in the WH matters.

I would describe my attitude towards leftist progressives as more disdainful and disgusted rather than hateful. I don't wish them ill, I just want them to not interfere with how I live my life.

aggie_wes said:

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Doesn't matter. Media is owned and run by the democrat party. Whatever they want to be true is reality.

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Then shut off the propaganda. We need to find new news outlets that we can trust.

Yes, I hate those who have destroyed America. The campaign season of 2010 will seem like child's play when 2022 gets here.

Not sure about this. Trumplicans arent Republicans. At least not the party faithful, which is what i would consider a Republican. Perhaps what you are thinking and what I'm thinking comes down to semantics.

A case could be made that about 20-25 million people voted for Trump in 2020 that do not consider themselves Republican and most haven't in a very long time if ever in their lives. Another 5-10 million are lifelong Republicans that boarded the Trumplican train and they arent going back, at least not philosophically, they may still vote GOP as a game theory type decision.

What happens to this voting block and how engaged they stay is still a question mark.

But the party faithful that have voted GOP their whole lives and GOP nevertrumpers that stayed home, voted 3rd party, or voted Biden as a Trump protest, all still exist. They all loved Bush and still love Bush and want to see a kinder and gentler GOP. Those 45-50 million are still out there milling around thankful Trump is gone and hopeful he stays away. They are under the illusion they can compete against rules for radicals by dishing out warm apple pie and saying sweet things. Something I wish were true.

That's my two cents. The diehard Trumplican group does have the attitude you describe. I agree with you there.

Slicer97 said:

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I would describe my attitude towards leftist progressives as more disdainful and disgusted rather than hateful. I don't wish them ill, I just want them to not interfere with how I live my life.

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That's where I am. I desperately want a divorce. I want nothing to do with them. I find them utterly evil.

Fightin TX Aggie said:

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Old Army Ghost said:

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Life is more than politics. God reigns no matter who is in The White House.

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I agree completely, but do you think the left is willing to leave Republicans alone?

For all the proclamations of unity, the real message right now is the left's burning desire for dominance.

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no, abaolutely not. They are ij it for blood. But that diesnt nean you need to go to gheir level.

Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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Old McDonald said:

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Fightin TX Aggie said:

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They have no idea what the country will look like when the other 1/2 finally starts to hate them back.

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if the rhetoric and tone of like 80% of the posts on this board are any indication, we hit this point a looooong time ago

then again f16 has always been a home to the fringe right so i don't think it applies to most Rs

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You are incredibly naive.

I wasn't a first time Trump voter. I thought his policies would lead us to ruin since he was too much of a populist. I found out i was wrong. Second go round I was enthusiastically a trump supporter. Now you consider me fringe.

At this point, I used to think of myself as principled in politics, now I am admittedly sort of passe on the principles that made me believe our country had a middle ground we could come together on.

Now I see rules for one side and rampant cheating and power grabbing from the other.

I dont see a middle ground now and if there was some sort of war that broke out, I would sort of shrug my shoulders and say, "yep. could have told you that was going to happen." Admittedly, I just dont care now if this world we know has severe strife that overcomes it.... as where we are has allowed cheating murderous elite democrats to not only take over, but convince enough sheep to run to the slaughter house. That means it is time for a divorce.

I guess what I am saying is that I have zero desire to personally have discourse with people either dishonest enough or stupid enough to associate themselves as or with leftist thoughts and ideas. It is a path to nowhere but a waste of my time and energy.

I've become radicalized.

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the latter bolded therefore, by definition, affirms the former

radical right wingers (those who hate and refuse to associated with the left) might be increasing in number but they still represent a small portion of the right

TOUCHDOWN! said:

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I do find it hilarious that so many Trumpers here have deluded themselves into believing that the hate is only heading from left to right. If you casually post on F16 for a week and say anything critical of Trump, you're bound to receive at least half a dozen messages calling for you to be hung for treason. "Democrats are an enemy of the state and should be treated as such" ring any bells?

The sooner the reasonable people in this country can escape the fog of "orange man bad" and "god-emperor Trump" and realize that both fringes are more alike than they want to admit, the better it will be for everyone.

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The right is reactionary. It is always second to act. The left brought the hate first, the right is just going to return it in kind. Yes this will create feedback loops but this is what happens when there are ideological differences this large.

It's humorous to me that people view this board as right-wing fringe. The people on this board, by and large, have too much to lose to go really crazy.

That is not the case with a lot of people who are feeling marginalized and discarded.

Fightin TX Aggie said:

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For as long as most of us can remember, the loudest voices in the liberal media and prominent Democrat politicians have told us that Republicans are hateful.

This is one of the big lies they tell. Most Republicans, of course, know that they aren't hateful and never have been, and for much of the last 25 years or longer, many on our side responded to the lie by trying to prove to Democrats that it is indeed a lie. "Really, I'm not that way! I promise!"

But I sense a shift in the average Republican voter.

There is a growing certainty that a large percentage of the country really and truly hates them. They feel the left hates them because the left repeatedly tells them how terrible they are. It's a pack of lies. They're racists. They hate science. They don't care about the poor. They're dumb. They're conspiracy theorists. They are a "rot" in the country.

And the average GOP voter is losing the desire to say yet again, "Really, I'm not that way! I promise!" The average GOP voter has lost all patience with the lies.

Instead of trying to prove them wrong, at least what I am sensing, is that they are ready to say, "Fine. F you. You want to hate me over a bunch of bull**** lies? Well, f you. I'm done caring 1/2 a dog crap what you think. Go F yourself."

Cue the Star Wars emperor gif: "Good, let the hate flow through you."

All the post-DC riot moves to silence and shame Republicans just make it worse. I would like to be rationally disturbed by the DC riot, but given that Nancy Pelosi, AOC and company want to blame me for it, I find myself thinking the entire thing is overblown. I am not alone.

Not sure where this goes, but the left has lived for all their lives with a mostly good hearted GOP. They have no idea what the country will look like when the other 1/2 finally starts to hate them back.

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I believe for the most part you confuse hate with anger.

The rhetoric from the Democratic Party leadership and MSM for decades has falsely painted conservatives as racist capitalist hell bent on the subjugation of the middle class. Now the rhetoric has escalated to the point of canceling conservatives from society and government.

• Calls from Democratic Party leadership to ban and/or censor conservatives in Congress
• Deletion of conservatives from social media
• Systematic elimination of what people consider conservative leaning social media by shutting down severs and app deplatforming.
• City, County, State and Federal government stifling free speech in the form of required pronouns in government documents.

Most of the hate comes directly from the leftist progressives, the Democratic Party leadership and MSM. It is openly expressed and cheered.

On the conservative side most of the hate comes from fringe ultra right wing people, KKK, neonazis, skinheads. No Republican Party leadership espouses the hateful rhetoric found on the Democratic side.

We are in for some dark times as freedoms are curtailed for many people.

Republicans are clearly not any sort of homogenized entity. If they were things would be a lot different. Not saying it's good or bad... but it's just the way it is.

bad_teammate said:

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MouthBQ98 said:

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Studies show that over all, conservatives tend to view their opposition as misguided more than malicious, while the liberal and progressive left tend to view conservatives as malicious more than misguided, when viewed as categories based on political ideology.

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No idea what these studies are, but this doesn't comport with what I've seen in studies regarding the emotional nature of political allegiance.

Conservatives are fearful. Liberals are secure.

Fearful people are more hateful

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Keep telling yourself that, sparky. See ya in two years.

I've always hated communists.

Absolutely and great OP.


I can see it in myself.

Old McDonald said:

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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Old McDonald said:

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Fightin TX Aggie said:

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They have no idea what the country will look like when the other 1/2 finally starts to hate them back.

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if the rhetoric and tone of like 80% of the posts on this board are any indication, we hit this point a looooong time ago

then again f16 has always been a home to the fringe right so i don't think it applies to most Rs

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You are incredibly naive.

I wasn't a first time Trump voter. I thought his policies would lead us to ruin since he was too much of a populist. I found out i was wrong. Second go round I was enthusiastically a trump supporter. Now you consider me fringe.

At this point, I used to think of myself as principled in politics, now I am admittedly sort of passe on the principles that made me believe our country had a middle ground we could come together on.

Now I see rules for one side and rampant cheating and power grabbing from the other.

I dont see a middle ground now and if there was some sort of war that broke out, I would sort of shrug my shoulders and say, "yep. could have told you that was going to happen." Admittedly, I just dont care now if this world we know has severe strife that overcomes it.... as where we are has allowed cheating murderous elite democrats to not only take over, but convince enough sheep to run to the slaughter house. That means it is time for a divorce.

I guess what I am saying is that I have zero desire to personally have discourse with people either dishonest enough or stupid enough to associate themselves as or with leftist thoughts and ideas. It is a path to nowhere but a waste of my time and energy.

I've become radicalized.

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the latter bolded therefore, by definition, affirms the former

radical right wingers (those who hate and refuse to associated with the left) might be increasing in number but they still represent a small portion of the right

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Here's where you're wrong. The former has been stated ad nauseum by the MSM and Democratic Leadership consistently over the last four years without evidence as a manufactured narrative.

The result is the latter.

Your side has created this environment, and that cannot be overstated. It will also not be forgiven, nor forgotten.

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A case could be made that about 20-25 million people voted for Trump in 2020 that do not consider themselves Republican and most haven't in a very long time if ever in their lives. Another 5-10 million are lifelong Republicans that boarded the Trumplican train and they arent going back, at least not philosophically, they may still vote GOP as a game theory type decision.

What happens to this voting block and how engaged they stay is still a question mark.

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But not one without a recent historical precedent...the Tea Party. The GOPe fought back against the Tea Party and marginalized them. It took Trump to get them back out and voting.

Hullabaloonatic said:

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If the conduct of republicans can be measured by the interactions had on this forum, the answer is obviously 'yes.' I've never seen a group of more hateful people than what is posted here on a daily basis.

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You must not be on twitter, nextdoor.com, Facebook, CNN, the NYT or the internet.

No hate here, but I don't want anything to with anyone on the left. I don't want to be around them, I don't want to associate with them, and I don't want to hear a damn thing from them. Call that what you want, but I no long wish to engage with them on any level.

"I may not like what you have to say, but I will defend your right to say it."

I am not sure whose quote that is, but I think we have all heard it. Up to this point the two sides, left and right, have been able to follow this for the most part. When DJT spoke from his POTUS stage, the Left famously could not handle the truth. The Left and their monopolistic media/big tech mainstreamed their plan to eliminate speech.

This decision will be the end of Nice.

Yay, let's celebrate hate and radicalization eventually leading to strife, despair, and even death!

Some of you need to get into Church every once in awhile.

I'd say very few here are celebrating this. In fact, most seem to be lamenting it.

bangobango said:

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Yay, let's celebrate hate and radicalization eventually leading to strife, despair, and even death!

Some of you need to get into Church every once in awhile.

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Do you think the left bears any responsibility for the current climate?

halfastros81 said:

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Republicans are clearly not any sort of homogenized entity. If they were things would be a lot different. Not saying it's good or bad... but it's just the way it is.

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That's because conservatives are more independant-minded. They want everyone to be able to live as they choose so long as they don't have to foot the bill for everyone else.

Progressives can't live life the way they want without a tightly controlled society.

TOUCHDOWN! said:

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Neither side has a monopoly on hate, and neither side is innocent of hate. Hate makes the world go 'round these days.

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WHOOP!'91 said:

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bangobango said:

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Yay, let's celebrate hate and radicalization eventually leading to strife, despair, and even death!

Some of you need to get into Church every once in awhile.

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Do you think the left bears any responsibility for the current climate?

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Absolutely.

I think extremist and radicals on both sides are bad.

"Finally" LOL. Go back to fantasizing about "watering the tree of liberty" with the blood of your enemies Texags. Know I've seen that line more times than I can count.