Ag_SGT said:

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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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Ag_SGT said:

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Because an invading force was going scorched earth on their homes. You can be proud of people for defending their homes while at the same time not support the people who forced them to.

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They had to protect their homes because they made a foolish decision and then made it worse by firing on a federal facility.

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Politicians made that decision, the vast majority of those that fought for the South did not make that decision, nor did they own slaves

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Texans got to vote for secession.

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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Ag_SGT said:

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Ag_SGT said:

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Because an invading force was going scorched earth on their homes. You can be proud of people for defending their homes while at the same time not support the people who forced them to.

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They had to protect their homes because they made a foolish decision and then made it worse by firing on a federal facility.

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Politicians made that decision, the vast majority of those that fought for the South did not make that decision, nor did they own slaves

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Eligible Texans got to vote for secession.

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BY the time that the secession vote was taken the pro-union voters had been intimated, beaten into submission or out right murdered. Voting to stay in the union for many Texans was an invitation for harassment.

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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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Ag_SGT said:

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Ag_SGT said:

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Because an invading force was going scorched earth on their homes. You can be proud of people for defending their homes while at the same time not support the people who forced them to.

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They had to protect their homes because they made a foolish decision and then made it worse by firing on a federal facility.

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Politicians made that decision, the vast majority of those that fought for the South did not make that decision, nor did they own slaves

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Eligible Texans got to vote for secession.

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BY the time that the secession vote was taken the pro-union voters had been intimated, beaten into submission or out right murdered. Voting to stay in the union for many Texans was an invitation for harassment.

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Or hanging, as in Gainesville.

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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Ag_SGT said:

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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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Ag_SGT said:

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Because an invading force was going scorched earth on their homes. You can be proud of people for defending their homes while at the same time not support the people who forced them to.

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They had to protect their homes because they made a foolish decision and then made it worse by firing on a federal facility.

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Politicians made that decision, the vast majority of those that fought for the South did not make that decision, nor did they own slaves

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Texans got to vote for secession.

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And Americans voted for politicians that have put us in unnecessary wars for decades, that doesn't mean my service is somehow dishonorable because politicians put us there. The South voted to secede, informed the North they needed to leave their facilities and the North proceeded to invade. Outside of limited incursions including Gettysburg, the South was not the invading force, they were defending their homes and communities.

I am ashamed that we have anything in common.

Ag_SGT said:

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Ag_SGT said:

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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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Ag_SGT said:

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Because an invading force was going scorched earth on their homes. You can be proud of people for defending their homes while at the same time not support the people who forced them to.

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They had to protect their homes because they made a foolish decision and then made it worse by firing on a federal facility.

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Politicians made that decision, the vast majority of those that fought for the South did not make that decision, nor did they own slaves

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Texans got to vote for secession.

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And Americans voted for politicians that have put us in unnecessary wars for decades, that doesn't mean my service is somehow dishonorable because politicians put us there. The South voted to secede, informed the North they needed to leave their facilities and the North proceeded to invade. Outside of limited incursions including Gettysburg, the South was not the invading force, they were defending their homes and communities.

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Texans were misled by the fire-eaters and made a rash and foolish decision to attempt to secede. Houston warned them not to do it. He's the hero for standing up for what was right. By attempting to secede, they moved up the timeline for the end of slavery instead of working within the system to find a compromise to end the evil institution. Evil might not be a harsh enough term. They knew it was wrong. They chose to live in a bubble and ignore those that told them it was evil. So forgive me if I don't have any compassion for their actions. Just because they were your ancestors doesn't mean you have to defend their actions or their views.

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And thank goodness they lost.

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Hey, that's your party lol.

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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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And thank goodness they lost.

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Hey, that's your party lol.

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I'm not a Dem but whatever.

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I like people that aren't traitors to their own country and create an army to start a war with it.

And I also like armies that win wars.

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Had my great great grandfather fought for the US he would have been a traitor. As it was, he was a dirt poor share cropper fighting for the state of Georgia and his country of CSA. Lost an arm at Bull Run and came to Texas after the War of Northern Aggression. Farmed that black ground around Little River with one arm until his death.

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Because an invading force was going scorched earth on their homes. You can be proud of people for defending their homes while at the same time not support the people who forced them to.

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Correct. People today forget that slavery was cruel and so were slave revolts. In Haiti, rebelling slaves paraded the heads of white French children on pikes while indulging in orgies of mass rape, looting and murder. Whites were equally cruel in retaliation. Sherman's soldiers would rape slave women and force their masters to watch. We forget that cruel reality. After the war, my deceased great great grandfather's (14th Texas cavalry, CSA) family moved to the Eastland/Erath County areas to get away from more densely populated east Texas and the influence of the Reconstruction government.
It didn't work; Comanches were still preying on settlers.

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No Spin Ag said:

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I like people that aren't traitors to their own country and create an army to start a war with it.

And I also like armies that win wars.

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Had my great great grandfather fought for the US he would have been a traitor. As it was, he was a dirt poor share cropper fighting for the state of Georgia and his country of CSA. Lost an arm at Bull Run and came to Texas after the War of Northern Aggression. Farmed that black ground around Little River with one arm until his death.

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Same here. GGG grandpa had no slaves and lived in a dirt floor shack. Enlisted in Texas in 1861 along with his most of his neighbors to defend their homes and country. Thanks for your service grandpa! Proud of my ancestor on Confederate Heroes Day.

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Ag_SGT said:

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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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Ag_SGT said:

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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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Ag_SGT said:

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Because an invading force was going scorched earth on their homes. You can be proud of people for defending their homes while at the same time not support the people who forced them to.

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They had to protect their homes because they made a foolish decision and then made it worse by firing on a federal facility.

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Politicians made that decision, the vast majority of those that fought for the South did not make that decision, nor did they own slaves

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Texans got to vote for secession.

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And Americans voted for politicians that have put us in unnecessary wars for decades, that doesn't mean my service is somehow dishonorable because politicians put us there. The South voted to secede, informed the North they needed to leave their facilities and the North proceeded to invade. Outside of limited incursions including Gettysburg, the South was not the invading force, they were defending their homes and communities.

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Texans were misled by the fire-eaters and made a rash and foolish decision to attempt to secede. Houston warned them not to do it. He's the hero for standing up for what was right. By attempting to secede, they moved up the timeline for the end of slavery instead of working within the system to find a compromise to end the evil institution. Evil might not be a harsh enough term. They knew it was wrong. They chose to live in a bubble and ignore those that told them it was evil. So forgive me if I don't have any compassion for their actions. Just because they were your ancestors doesn't mean you have to defend their actions or their views.

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They weren't my ancestors, my family isn't from Texas but I did have family on both sides, Pennsylvania and SC. My statements are as someone whose studied history for years and based on my experience being a war Veteran.

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And thank goodness they lost.

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Hey, that's your party lol.

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I'm not a Dem but whatever.

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Still your party lol.

How does him having an opinion counter to yours regarding the Civil War make the Dems his party?

Here here for our heroes!

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How does him having an opinion counter to yours regarding the Civil War make the Dems his party?

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Thanks for the comment

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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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Ag_SGT said:

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Because an invading force was going scorched earth on their homes. You can be proud of people for defending their homes while at the same time not support the people who forced them to.

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They had to protect their homes because they made a foolish decision and then made it worse by firing on a federal facility.

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Politicians made that decision, the vast majority of those that fought for the South did not make that decision, nor did they own slaves

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Texans got to vote for secession.

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Yup, Texans voted that they would want to preserve the right to own people. Numerous died as a result. It was a tragedy and a horrible stain on our nation's and state's history. We can remember them and pray for their souls, but they should not be celebrated as heros.

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Make no bones about it, I'm glad my ancestors lost.

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To bad more southerners don't feel this way. So much embarrassment could be avoided if they did. Southerners and their obsession with the Civil War is incredibly humorous. The north somehow managed to move on. I guess total victory does that.

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I'd hardly say it's Southerner's obsession with the Civil War, it would seem the only folks bringing up the Civil War are Northerners and minorities. Also, learn the proper usage of too versus to

So why the fight to keep the battle flag relevant? Why all the monuments around the South?

The Civil War is like a religion to the South. They ignore it most of the time until it's useful for them.

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How does him having an opinion counter to yours regarding the Civil War make the Dems his party?

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Thanks for the comment

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It wasn't a comment. It was a question. Which you avoided. Gee, I wonder why.

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So why the fight to keep the battle flag relevant? Why all the monuments around the South?

The Civil War is like a religion to the South. They ignore it most of the time until it's useful for them.

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The flag would be rendered irrelevant if folks like yourself would move on. Are new monuments popping up around the South? The only time I hear about the Civil War is when folks like yourself want to rehash it, I think it is more of a religion to folks like yourself. It isn't Southerners pushing the Civil War down everyone's throats, it is folks like yourself. Southerners ignore the Civil War most of the time until folks like yourself decide to degrade them out of the blue

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So why the fight to keep the battle flag relevant? Why all the monuments around the South?

The Civil War is like a religion to the South. They ignore it most of the time until it's useful for them.

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The flag would be rendered irrelevant if folks like yourself would move on. Are new monuments popping up around the South? The only time I hear about the Civil War is when folks like yourself want to rehash it, I think it is more of a religion to folks like yourself. It isn't Southerners pushing the Civil War down everyone's throats, it is folks like yourself. Southerners ignore the Civil War most of the time until folks like yourself decide to degrade them out of the blue

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You do realize that I didn't start this thread, right?

I'm sorry the facts are contrary to what you want the Confederacy to be about.

You do realize the OP accomplished exactly what he wanted right?

You have to love those that believe it was justified to INVADE STATES that exercised their legal right to secede because they no longer wanted to be a part of something. The North was the Big 12 of governments. Don't allow people that want to leave to leave, pretend it's all in the name of ending slavery when it's really about maintaining your food supply, and years later have white liberals arguing that such tyranny was justified.

The popularity of the stars and bars and building of confederate statues en masse occurred during the civil rights movement almost 100 years after the war ended. The popularity of the flag and statues have nothing to do with the Civil War.

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You have to love those that believe it was justified to INVADE STATES that exercised their legal right to secede because they no longer wanted to be a part of something. The North was the Big 12 of governments. Don't allow people that want to leave to leave, pretend it's all in the name of ending slavery when it's really about maintaining your food supply, and years later have white liberals arguing that such tyranny was justified.

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It is my understanding that the Union would have had very little issue maintaining their food supply considering that the Northerners grew more food than the South. The legality of secession is one that is hardly decided but if you look at court precedents, I believe Texas v. White decided the issue to be illegal.

And most reasonable people on here don't believe all Northerners fought the war to end slavery, especially in the beginning. As the war went on, the number of people who did fight the war to end slavery increased though. That being said, the south fought the war to "preserve" slavery even though no significant credible threat existed.

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The popularity of the stars and bars and building of confederate statues en masse occurred during the civil rights movement almost 100 years after the war ended. The popularity of the flag and statues have nothing to do with the Civil War.

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Agreed but it's very much tied to the idea of "states rights" bull**** that was spewed as The Cause of the war.

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No Spin Ag said:

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I like people that aren't traitors to their own country and create an army to start a war with it.

And I also like armies that win wars.

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Had my great great grandfather fought for the US he would have been a traitor. As it was, he was a dirt poor share cropper fighting for the state of Georgia and his country of CSA. Lost an arm at Bull Run and came to Texas after the War of Northern Aggression. Farmed that black ground around Little River with one arm until his death.

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Same here. GGG grandpa had no slaves and lived in a dirt floor shack. Enlisted in Texas in 1861 along with his most of his neighbors to defend their homes and country. Thanks for your service grandpa! Proud of my ancestor on Confederate Heroes Day.

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My 5th, 4th and 3rd surname GGF's owned slaves from VA to SC to AL My 2nd stopped when he moved to TX in 1859.....I've always wondered if that makes me a bad person just because we have/had the same last name and I'm a direct descendant ...... well not really...the wondering part. I suspect some would believe that I am because of such.

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No Spin Ag said:

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I like people that aren't traitors to their own country and create an army to start a war with it.

And I also like armies that win wars.

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Had my great great grandfather fought for the US he would have been a traitor. As it was, he was a dirt poor share cropper fighting for the state of Georgia and his country of CSA. Lost an arm at Bull Run and came to Texas after the War of Northern Aggression. Farmed that black ground around Little River with one arm until his death.

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Same here. GGG grandpa had no slaves and lived in a dirt floor shack. Enlisted in Texas in 1861 along with his most of his neighbors to defend their homes and country. Thanks for your service grandpa! Proud of my ancestor on Confederate Heroes Day.

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My 5th, 4th and 3rd surname GGF's owned slaves from VA to SC to AL My 2nd stopped when he moved to TX in 1859.....I've always wondered if that makes me a bad person just because we have/had the same last name and I'm a direct descendant ...... well not really...the wondering part. I suspect some would believe that I am because of such.

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I would say that you are making yourself out to be a victim for some bizarre reason.

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No Spin Ag said:

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I like people that aren't traitors to their own country and create an army to start a war with it.

And I also like armies that win wars.

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Had my great great grandfather fought for the US he would have been a traitor. As it was, he was a dirt poor share cropper fighting for the state of Georgia and his country of CSA. Lost an arm at Bull Run and came to Texas after the War of Northern Aggression. Farmed that black ground around Little River with one arm until his death.

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Same here. GGG grandpa had no slaves and lived in a dirt floor shack. Enlisted in Texas in 1861 along with his most of his neighbors to defend their homes and country. Thanks for your service grandpa! Proud of my ancestor on Confederate Heroes Day.

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My 5th, 4th and 3rd surname GGF's owned slaves from VA to SC to AL My 2nd stopped when he moved to TX in 1859.....I've always wondered if that makes me a bad person just because we have/had the same last name and I'm a direct descendant ...... well not really...the wondering part. I suspect some would believe that I am because of such.

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I would say that you are making yourself out to be a victim for some bizarre reason.

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I don't feel like a victim. Am just asking folks if I should...and you felt the need to respond as you did so I suppose I now know your thoughts on the matter.

You're posts are bizarre. Why do you need anonymous people to help you decide how you should feel about your gggfer? Shot, why should you feel anything about them?

and yet here you are telling people how they should feel about their ancestors