I actually think they will try for a little while to appeal to the very left leaning side of each Libertarian, hoping to bring them on board. The weak ones will join and then they will silence the rest.

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Rush Limbaugh was just talking about this -- how many he thinks have genuinely chosen the collectivist direction. The implication leads to this even though he was referring to how 2022 won't likely solve much.

The alternative is break-up. Multi-nation North America like Europe is. Whatever name want to call that. Look at Western European continent---several nations. That's what North America needs to look like. More than the present three.

Its by far the best way to preserve real "diversity" -- diversity of thought, culture, and economic and social practices. Work toward it peacefully, insist on it being so.

Those posting Yuri Bezemenov are correct. That was the goal of the Communist International. It is no longer run by Russia, but by China, and the converts here (mostly in the Democratic Party, others and many in editorial ownerships and academia).

We are being forced into it --- the alternative is to fast forward to 1991. Break-up of the Soviet Union.

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And just how do you propose breaking up the North American continent? Within the US, the greatest political divide is between urban centers and rural sections of the country with the suburbs being the mixed area. Since the implementation of the US highway system, the US population is as mixed as it ever was. People feel loyalty to America first more than their state or city. This isnt the 1860s where enough of a state's population is on the same page to pull off secession.

Have you guys figured out yet that the power of corporations is too great?

cajunaggie08 said:

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People feel loyalty to America first more than their state or city.

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A lot of Texans, and many Southerners, would disagree with you.

cajunaggie08 said:

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titan said:

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Rush Limbaugh was just talking about this -- how many he thinks have genuinely chosen the collectivist direction. The implication leads to this even though he was referring to how 2022 won't likely solve much.

The alternative is break-up. Multi-nation North America like Europe is. Whatever name want to call that. Look at Western European continent---several nations. That's what North America needs to look like. More than the present three.

Its by far the best way to preserve real "diversity" -- diversity of thought, culture, and economic and social practices. Work toward it peacefully, insist on it being so.

Those posting Yuri Bezemenov are correct. That was the goal of the Communist International. It is no longer run by Russia, but by China, and the converts here (mostly in the Democratic Party, others and many in editorial ownerships and academia).

We are being forced into it --- the alternative is to fast forward to 1991. Break-up of the Soviet Union.

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And just how do you propose breaking up the North American continent? Within the US, the greatest political divide is between urban centers and rural sections of the country with the suburbs being the mixed area. Since the implementation of the US highway system, the US population is as mixed as it ever was. People feel loyalty to America first more than their state or city. This isnt the 1860s where enough of a state's population is on the same page to pull off secession.

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Not proposing. People keep asking, this thread the latest, "what is the peaceful way out"?

The peaceful way out is to become like Europe. Let conservative minded start migrating to some states, and vice-versa. Conservatives from Calif are already coming in. The other part of the process is you start pushing out others.

Everyone needs to forget the 1860's and look at the collapse of the Ottoman Empire forward -- look at modern era examples. There are plentiful, though college no longer teaches them can tell from just the utter lack of mention of anything other than 1860 in the media.

Not proposing anything. But the way to peace is to embrace not being forced to live together in an arrangement of irreconcilable differences and a micro-managing govt trying to control thought. France doesn't try to make Germans act and think like them and vice versa. But they have common currency and commerce. Just change the way of thinking if want to avoid violence.

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FireAg said:

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They are going to start a war...

Half the country is ready to rise up...

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That's what they want. Keep pushing and pushing. LEt the fighting break out. Government swoops in to stomp it out and then rolls in the new laws.

If you've ever watched Yuri Besmenov, it's called Stage 3 - "Crisis". We are currently (and have been all of 2020) in Stage 2 - "Destabilization". Stage 4 is "Normalization"

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Yep, this is by design. The other day was by design. They want nothing more than to see whites/people on the right acting out just to half the degree that antifa/BLM (who they condoned and promoted) did all summer long so that they can broadly condemn/categorize and target.

And it's not just about 2A, they are starting to go all-in.

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Have you guys figured out yet that the power of corporations is too great?

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Despite some of the things that will be cited that the EU is forcing, there are plenty of corporations and business in Western Europe that still haven't forced Italy to be Spain, or France to think like Germany, or Germany to think like Greece. And of course there is Brexit. A nation that has opted for even less close association than the EU, but will still be in commerce.

Corporations are part of the problem; but the main one is Left thought micro-managing ideology. Reduce the area that rules.

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I could see Rand taking everything from the MAGA doctrine other than an abrasive/immature
personality, bolstering it up with fiscal responsibility, and one day leading a new party free of big spending establishment RINOs.

Would work perfectly on the heels of a Biden/Harris depression.

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Paul/Desantis

Dream ticket.

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cajunaggie08 said:

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People feel loyalty to America first more than their state or city.

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A lot of Texans, and many Southerners, would disagree with you.

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I know a lot would but in the case of Texas and many of the southern states, they have giant sun belt cities that are filled with people from all over the country. I have worked in Houston for over a decade and in both cases I was the minority in my office by being born in Texas.

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cajunaggie08 said:

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titan said:

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Rush Limbaugh was just talking about this -- how many he thinks have genuinely chosen the collectivist direction. The implication leads to this even though he was referring to how 2022 won't likely solve much.

The alternative is break-up. Multi-nation North America like Europe is. Whatever name want to call that. Look at Western European continent---several nations. That's what North America needs to look like. More than the present three.

Its by far the best way to preserve real "diversity" -- diversity of thought, culture, and economic and social practices. Work toward it peacefully, insist on it being so.

Those posting Yuri Bezemenov are correct. That was the goal of the Communist International. It is no longer run by Russia, but by China, and the converts here (mostly in the Democratic Party, others and many in editorial ownerships and academia).

We are being forced into it --- the alternative is to fast forward to 1991. Break-up of the Soviet Union.

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And just how do you propose breaking up the North American continent? Within the US, the greatest political divide is between urban centers and rural sections of the country with the suburbs being the mixed area. Since the implementation of the US highway system, the US population is as mixed as it ever was. People feel loyalty to America first more than their state or city. This isnt the 1860s where enough of a state's population is on the same page to pull off secession.

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Not proposing. People keep asking, this thread the latest, "what is the peaceful way out"?

The peaceful way out is to become like Europe. Let conservative minded start migrating to some states, and vice-versa. Conservatives from Calif are already coming in. The other part of the process is you start pushing out others.

Everyone needs to forget the 1860's and look at the collapse of the Ottoman Empire forward -- look at modern era examples. There are plentiful, though college no longer teaches them can tell from just the utter lack of mention of anything other than 1860 in the media.

Not proposing anything. But the way to peace is to embrace not being forced to live together in an arrangement of irreconcilable differences and a micro-managing govt trying to control thought. France doesn't try to make Germans act and think like them and vice versa. But they have common currency and commerce. Just change the way of thinking if want to avoid violence.

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I mean thats not far off from how the US started with the intent being that each state was its own unique thing that was to be held together with a weak federal government. I just dont see a way to go back to that arrangement as people put way more mental emphasis into what the federal government is doing to impact their day to day lives rather than their own local governments.

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Their mods didn't give an explanation. Glad we don't have that problem around here.

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Email moderators@facebook.com if you have questions about moderation!

Looks like Michael Berry suffered the same fate as Dr. Paul.

Facebook decided to adopt the 1776 British Version of Sedition I suppose.

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mazag08 said:

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Mac94 said:

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mazag08 said:

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FireAg said:

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They are going to start a war...

Half the country is ready to rise up...

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That's what they want. Keep pushing and pushing. LEt the fighting break out. Government swoops in to stomp it out and then rolls in the new laws.

If you've ever watched Yuri Besmenov, it's called Stage 3 - "Crisis". We are currently (and have been all of 2020) in Stage 2 - "Destabilization". Stage 4 is "Normalization"

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But then what's the alternative? Doing nothing means the marxist agenda rolls on unopposed ... and I don;t really see a door number three out there.

Yes, it may all be a trap ... but what if the only chance is to spring said trap and fight like hell to make sure their plan doesn't survive contact with the enemy?

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It's been far too late for that for a long time.

Ideological subversion

It takes generations to get this ball rolling. A complete takeover of government, media, academia, entertainment, etc. Once multiple generations have educated themselves and poisened their own minds, then the process can begin. These people cannot be reasoned with. Facts mean nothing.

1. Demoralization
2. Destabilization
3. Crisis
4. Normalization

The time to fight back was decades ago through education.

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That is chillingly prophetic.

Yes, it took 36 years from the time that video was recorded to get to Destabilization/Crisis, but the left has always been better at playing the long game.

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Great article here that goes a bit deeper on what the video entails. Scary that were in the midst of Stage 3/4 today! (*Possible paywall on article)

Four Stages of Marxist Takeover: The Accuracy of Yuri Bezmenov | The American Spectator | USA News and Politics

What will it take for our concerned moderates and moderate libs to see what's going on??

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What will it take for our concerned moderates and moderate libs to see what's going on??

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They like it because they listen to the media then think that violent insurrections are being planned (which must be stopped by our liberal helpers) and that one already occurred because they're told so by the narrative.

waitwhat? said:

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What will it take for our concerned moderates and moderate libs to see what's going on??

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They are the group Bezemenov mentions toward the end of the video.. the ones who take part and help out for the good of the campaign, but are immediately disposed of in the aftermath.

They think they are on the winning side and have been subverted into thinking their views are righteous and their support will earn them favor.

History is not kind to these people unfortunately.

So if all of these social media groups can do what they want as a business, why can't other companies do what they want and open up.

AggDogg61 said:

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So if all of these social media groups can do what they want as a business, why can't other companies do what they want and open up.

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Bend the knee and bake the cake too!

cajunaggie08 said:

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titan said:

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Rush Limbaugh was just talking about this -- how many he thinks have genuinely chosen the collectivist direction. The implication leads to this even though he was referring to how 2022 won't likely solve much.

The alternative is break-up. Multi-nation North America like Europe is. Whatever name want to call that. Look at Western European continent---several nations. That's what North America needs to look like. More than the present three.

Its by far the best way to preserve real "diversity" -- diversity of thought, culture, and economic and social practices. Work toward it peacefully, insist on it being so.

Those posting Yuri Bezemenov are correct. That was the goal of the Communist International. It is no longer run by Russia, but by China, and the converts here (mostly in the Democratic Party, others and many in editorial ownerships and academia).

We are being forced into it --- the alternative is to fast forward to 1991. Break-up of the Soviet Union.

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And just how do you propose breaking up the North American continent?

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I think the football conferences would work...except WVU will have to go to ACC.

Merge Big XII and SEC states and that would be a decent country. Then I don't really give a crap about the rest.

waitwhat? said:

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What will it take for our concerned moderates and moderate libs to see what's going on??

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There are no moderates. Those who claim to be do so only to try to sound credible ("look, I'm not a communist") but deep down they're as red as Stalin.

Facebook lost $34.5 Billion dollars today, just getting started.

AggDogg61 said:

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So if all of these social media groups can do what they want as a business, why can't other companies do what they want and open up.

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Conceivably they can. Ideological segregation may be the way to go. Businesses that cater to conservatives, and are able to, because conservatives take all their business to them, and vice versa.

Also if you notice the FB losses today, maybe you can get a situation where their shareholders oust the leadership like Zuckerberg. Depends on how much of the co. actually owns. Those things can be surprising.

waitwhat? said:

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What will it take for our concerned moderates and moderate libs to see what's going on??

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A bunch. They are moronic liars.

cajunaggie08 said:

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titan said:

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cajunaggie08 said:

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titan said:

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Rush Limbaugh was just talking about this -- how many he thinks have genuinely chosen the collectivist direction. The implication leads to this even though he was referring to how 2022 won't likely solve much.

The alternative is break-up. Multi-nation North America like Europe is. Whatever name want to call that. Look at Western European continent---several nations. That's what North America needs to look like. More than the present three.

Its by far the best way to preserve real "diversity" -- diversity of thought, culture, and economic and social practices. Work toward it peacefully, insist on it being so.

Those posting Yuri Bezemenov are correct. That was the goal of the Communist International. It is no longer run by Russia, but by China, and the converts here (mostly in the Democratic Party, others and many in editorial ownerships and academia).

We are being forced into it --- the alternative is to fast forward to 1991. Break-up of the Soviet Union.

---

And just how do you propose breaking up the North American continent? Within the US, the greatest political divide is between urban centers and rural sections of the country with the suburbs being the mixed area. Since the implementation of the US highway system, the US population is as mixed as it ever was. People feel loyalty to America first more than their state or city. This isnt the 1860s where enough of a state's population is on the same page to pull off secession.

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Not proposing. People keep asking, this thread the latest, "what is the peaceful way out"?

The peaceful way out is to become like Europe. Let conservative minded start migrating to some states, and vice-versa. Conservatives from Calif are already coming in. The other part of the process is you start pushing out others.

Everyone needs to forget the 1860's and look at the collapse of the Ottoman Empire forward -- look at modern era examples. There are plentiful, though college no longer teaches them can tell from just the utter lack of mention of anything other than 1860 in the media.

Not proposing anything. But the way to peace is to embrace not being forced to live together in an arrangement of irreconcilable differences and a micro-managing govt trying to control thought. France doesn't try to make Germans act and think like them and vice versa. But they have common currency and commerce. Just change the way of thinking if want to avoid violence.

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I mean thats not far off from how the US started with the intent being that each state was its own unique thing that was to be held together with a weak federal government. I just dont see a way to go back to that arrangement as people put way more mental emphasis into what the federal government is doing to impact their day to day lives rather than their own local governments.

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No, a lot of people do, but a lot of people do not. That is the point. There is not much commonality and what remains they are working to take apart because that is what collectivists do. Understand this is more a prescription for upcoming generations. Start thinking about the whole picture differently, as the next phase has definitely begun.

The term national divorce has been thrown around for a while, but it recently struck that the analogy of equating it to secession era completely misunderstands what it should look like. It should be multiple Brexits. Even states redrawing their own boundaries could be in the cards in the future.

We are just talking about the future. Not proposals. But the next phase has begun.

Bookface announced today that if you post "stop the steal" or any link to something about that, it is an auto-ban.