ShaggySLC said:

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Please no football players!!

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You're kidding, right???
I mean, it was in the finance dept....

peacedude said:

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They made me buy it, so I read the manual and learned lots of tricks.

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I wrote my own program to do differential equations with plug in numbers with mine in high school.

Then they started requiring me to show my work.

MouthBQ98 said:

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peacedude said:

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They made me buy it, so I read the manual and learned lots of tricks.

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I wrote my own program to do differential equations with plug in numbers with mine in high school.

Then they started requiring me to show my work.

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I'd say if you had the ability to write a program to do that, you knew the material!

Texasclipper said:

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tylercsbn9 said:

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Wait so using past tests is now "cheating "? We had a test bank at my fraternity in college.

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Revamping a research paper you did in one class for use in a different class if now "cheating" too. Even though it's your work. If this was cheating back in the 80's when i was in school I sure didn't know it. But it is now.

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That's insane. How is it cheating if it's your own work? I literally did this for two classes.

tylercsbn9 said:

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Wait so using past tests is now "cheating "? We had a test bank at my fraternity in college.

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It's one thing to use past tests for practice and if you happen to get the same test from a lazy prof on exam day, with the prof not even having bothered to change the numbers, then fine. You did your due diligence and learned how to derive the answers still.

It's another to get the answers to what you know is the exact test that is being given, and submit the copied work of others as your own.

HTownAg98 said:

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Texasclipper said:

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tylercsbn9 said:

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Wait so using past tests is now "cheating "? We had a test bank at my fraternity in college.

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Revamping a research paper you did in one class for use in a different class if now "cheating" too. Even though it's your work. If this was cheating back in the 80's when i was in school I sure didn't know it. But it is now.

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That's insane. How is it cheating if it's your own work? I literally did this for two classes.

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Of course it's insane, but it is specifically mentioned in the Aggie honor code and in other schools too, so its a thing. And they have the software now to catch it because everything you write and turn in is scanned into a big database that all the universities subscribe to and they verifiy your work is original and never been used before. They view it as "unfair" to use work done for one assignment to do another assignement. Total BS.

When i was in school, i used a variation of the same paper for 3 undergrad classes and one graduate level class. It was all my work and none of the papers were identical, but pieces of them were.

Texasclipper said:

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A big contributor to this is professor laziness. They recycle tests from year to year and lecture notes too. And with the online classes many professors everywhere are using it as an excuse not to teach. Lectures don't happen and many times copies of lecture notes are simply posted and the students are on their own to figure it out. What the eff are we paying these clowns for if they aren't going to teach? We could replace them with a computer/robot.

So the students get resourceful to survive and the universities are all in shock. And of course, only the students get scrutiny, not the lazy ass professors/instructors.

College students are the only consumer group that literally spend thousands of $$ and are routinely told to screw off at every turn by the professors and the university. It's amazing how this is tolerated.

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Whaaaaaaat? Are you saying a bunch of communist "professors" are finding ways to be lazy, not good at their jobs, and still get paid? You don't say? Well, color me surprised.

So all the sudden the University is concerned about the CoH? They sure as hell weren't concerned about it when certain students lied about the CoC being racist or certain other students fabricated a hoax about racists notes getting left on their car.

Texasclipper said:

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A big contributor to this is professor laziness. They recycle tests from year to year and lecture notes too. And with the online classes many professors everywhere are using it as an excuse not to teach. Lectures don't happen and many times copies of lecture notes are simply posted and the students are on their own to figure it out. What the eff are we paying these clowns for if they aren't going to teach? We could replace them with a computer/robot.

So the students get resourceful to survive and the universities are all in shock. And of course, only the students get scrutiny, not the lazy ass professors/instructors.

College students are the only consumer group that literally spend thousands of $$ and are routinely told to screw off at every turn by the professors and the university. It's amazing how this is tolerated.

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I've been saying this for a while now. The system has been broken by the internet on both sides. Professors now use the same systems nationwide for tests and homework and the students have access to everything online. College is increasingly becoming irrelevant and meaningless as a result of these things.

It's getting worse and worse every single year too even to the point where there is no difference between a course at MIT or Texas Tech because professors at both schools are using the same damn system for exams and homework. Why bother spending a gorillion dollars for an expensive education when you can get the exact same program elsewhere for a lot cheaper?

SLAM said:

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Texasclipper said:

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A big contributor to this is professor laziness. They recycle tests from year to year and lecture notes too. And with the online classes many professors everywhere are using it as an excuse not to teach. Lectures don't happen and many times copies of lecture notes are simply posted and the students are on their own to figure it out. What the eff are we paying these clowns for if they aren't going to teach? We could replace them with a computer/robot.

So the students get resourceful to survive and the universities are all in shock. And of course, only the students get scrutiny, not the lazy ass professors/instructors.

College students are the only consumer group that literally spend thousands of $$ and are routinely told to screw off at every turn by the professors and the university. It's amazing how this is tolerated.

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I've been saying this for a while now. The system has been broken by the internet on both sides. Professors now use the same systems nationwide for tests and homework and the students have access to everything online. College is increasingly becoming irrelevant and meaningless as a result of these things.

It's getting worse and worse every single year too even to the point where there is no difference between a course at MIT or Texas Tech because professors at both schools are using the same damn system for exams and homework. Why bother spending a gorillion dollars for an expensive education when you can get the exact same program elsewhere for a lot cheaper?

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I just think education has finally evolved. The material learning side of online, outside the garbage TAMU puts out, is fantastic.

Hell, some of the best coursework is absolutely free. MIT has several full blown STEM classes on YouTube and for specific topics and classes, there are a multitude of people out there teaching this stuff in tremendous ways.

When I took linear I would have to muddle through whatever the hell my prof was rambling on about, leave and then go watch Dr. Strangs Linear MIT course. It was about a million times better. Professor Leonard for calculus stuff. PatrickJMT for any other math. Organic Chemistry Tutor for pretty much any science based stuff. Jeff Hanson for physics.....these youtubers and others like them I swear I wish I could pay them my tuition instead of TAMU. Those men create engineers.

RockTXAggie said:

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ShaggySLC said:

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Please no football players!!

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It stated that it was a Finance course. Honestly, that rules out probably 95% of the football team. That's not to sound like a dick, it's just the truth.

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In the Fall of 1994, I had a Meterology Lab with three defensive backs. All three of them had a copy of the test (with answers) the morning of the class, in the class.

Cheating is rampant, the Internet just makes it slightly easier to track.

Eliminatus said:

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SLAM said:

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Texasclipper said:

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A big contributor to this is professor laziness. They recycle tests from year to year and lecture notes too. And with the online classes many professors everywhere are using it as an excuse not to teach. Lectures don't happen and many times copies of lecture notes are simply posted and the students are on their own to figure it out. What the eff are we paying these clowns for if they aren't going to teach? We could replace them with a computer/robot.

So the students get resourceful to survive and the universities are all in shock. And of course, only the students get scrutiny, not the lazy ass professors/instructors.

College students are the only consumer group that literally spend thousands of $$ and are routinely told to screw off at every turn by the professors and the university. It's amazing how this is tolerated.

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I've been saying this for a while now. The system has been broken by the internet on both sides. Professors now use the same systems nationwide for tests and homework and the students have access to everything online. College is increasingly becoming irrelevant and meaningless as a result of these things.

It's getting worse and worse every single year too even to the point where there is no difference between a course at MIT or Texas Tech because professors at both schools are using the same damn system for exams and homework. Why bother spending a gorillion dollars for an expensive education when you can get the exact same program elsewhere for a lot cheaper?

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I just think education has finally evolved. The material learning side of online, outside the garbage TAMU puts out, is fantastic.

Hell, some of the best coursework is absolutely free. MIT has several full blown STEM classes on YouTube and for specific topics and classes, there are a multitude of people out there teaching this stuff in tremendous ways.

When I took linear I would have to muddle through whatever the hell my prof was rambling on about, leave and then go watch Dr. Strangs Linear MIT course. It was about a million times better. Professor Leonard for calculus stuff. PatrickJMT for any other math. Organic Chemistry Tutor for pretty much any science based stuff. Jeff Hanson for physics.....these youtubers and others like them I swear I wish I could pay them my tuition instead of TAMU. Those men create engineers.

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O Chem Tutor and Khan Academy deserve at least 20% of my future salary.

Texasclipper said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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Texasclipper said:

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tylercsbn9 said:

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Wait so using past tests is now "cheating "? We had a test bank at my fraternity in college.

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Revamping a research paper you did in one class for use in a different class if now "cheating" too. Even though it's your work. If this was cheating back in the 80's when i was in school I sure didn't know it. But it is now.

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That's insane. How is it cheating if it's your own work? I literally did this for two classes.

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Of course it's insane, but it is specifically mentioned in the Aggie honor code and in other schools too, so its a thing. And they have the software now to catch it because everything you write and turn in is scanned into a big database that all the universities subscribe to and they verifiy your work is original and never been used before. They view it as "unfair" to use work done for one assignment to do another assignement. Total BS.

When i was in school, i used a variation of the same paper for 3 undergrad classes and one graduate level class. It was all my work and none of the papers were identical, but pieces of them were.

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This is the part that is incredibly stupid, because this is done in countless industries in actual jobs. In the real world, it's called "proprietary data" and competitive advantage." If I wasn't able to copy and paste some of my own research into my reports, I would make no money. I think it's really just that professors don't want to have to deal with a student trying to convince them that they really did the work and just repurposed it.

Texasclipper said:

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tylercsbn9 said:

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Wait so using past tests is now "cheating "? We had a test bank at my fraternity in college.

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Revamping a research paper you did in one class for use in a different class if now "cheating" too. Even though it's your work. If this was cheating back in the 80's when i was in school I sure didn't know it. But it is now.

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I explain this to my students by telling them that the assignments in the class are meant to demonstrate what they've learned in this class. If they have work they've completed for another class that they would like to use as a basis for an assignment, then they should come to office hours/make an appointment so we can discuss how they might be able to incorporate their previous work.

Eliminatus said:

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SLAM said:

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Texasclipper said:

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A big contributor to this is professor laziness. They recycle tests from year to year and lecture notes too. And with the online classes many professors everywhere are using it as an excuse not to teach. Lectures don't happen and many times copies of lecture notes are simply posted and the students are on their own to figure it out. What the eff are we paying these clowns for if they aren't going to teach? We could replace them with a computer/robot.

So the students get resourceful to survive and the universities are all in shock. And of course, only the students get scrutiny, not the lazy ass professors/instructors.

College students are the only consumer group that literally spend thousands of $$ and are routinely told to screw off at every turn by the professors and the university. It's amazing how this is tolerated.

---

I've been saying this for a while now. The system has been broken by the internet on both sides. Professors now use the same systems nationwide for tests and homework and the students have access to everything online. College is increasingly becoming irrelevant and meaningless as a result of these things.

It's getting worse and worse every single year too even to the point where there is no difference between a course at MIT or Texas Tech because professors at both schools are using the same damn system for exams and homework. Why bother spending a gorillion dollars for an expensive education when you can get the exact same program elsewhere for a lot cheaper?

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I just think education has finally evolved. The material learning side of online, outside the garbage TAMU puts out, is fantastic.

Hell, some of the best coursework is absolutely free. MIT has several full blown STEM classes on YouTube and for specific topics and classes, there are a multitude of people out there teaching this stuff in tremendous ways.

When I took linear I would have to muddle through whatever the hell my prof was rambling on about, leave and then go watch Dr. Strangs Linear MIT course. It was about a million times better. Professor Leonard for calculus stuff. PatrickJMT for any other math. Organic Chemistry Tutor for pretty much any science based stuff. Jeff Hanson for physics.....these youtubers and others like them I swear I wish I could pay them my tuition instead of TAMU. Those men create engineers.

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This is my whole point. Colleges have not adapted to the new reality of having access to millions of gigabytes of data online where people can get information from numerous experts immediately. That you can get the same education at MIT orTech is not a bad thing, it's the cost differential and the entire class/grading system that is the problem.

The fact is, having separate schools and payment for what is essentially the same identical class is dumb as hell. If we're going to do this all online then let's go that route fully and just have a bunch of local TAs for grading while the class is done from one central location.

It's either this or get rid of college entirely and go back to the apprentice/mentor relationship.

BetsyParker said:

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Texasclipper said:

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tylercsbn9 said:

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Wait so using past tests is now "cheating "? We had a test bank at my fraternity in college.

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Revamping a research paper you did in one class for use in a different class if now "cheating" too. Even though it's your work. If this was cheating back in the 80's when i was in school I sure didn't know it. But it is now.

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I explain this to my students by telling them that the assignments in the class are meant to demonstrate what they've learned in this class. If they have work they've completed for another class that they would like to use as a basis for an assignment, then they should come to office hours/make an appointment so we can discuss how they might be able to incorporate their previous work.

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Sorry Betsy, but I don't see it. What difference does it make if i use some previous work to complete and assignment for your class. If you grade the paper and it demonstrates I met the requirements of the assignment, then i deserve a good grade. What matters is the student demonstrates they have mastered the material as required by the sylabus. And without the "turn it in" database they have today, you would have no way to know otherwise. Knowledge is knowledge regardless of whether it was learned in your class or somewhere else.

peacedude said:

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They made me buy it, so I read the manual and learned lots of tricks.

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I had the HP-48GX. I programmed the IR port to turn my TV on each morning and every 5 minutes it would turn up the volume. Every time I tried to program any formulas for a test, I never needed them because I learned them while programming it.

Maybe we're discovering that higher education is mostly overrated.

Anybody have Pete Rizzo for Biology 101? That guy basically told the class go to 4.0 and go, and you ace the class. He knew they had all his test and he never changed the test.

EKU had the previous year accounting tests in the Library.

Texasclipper said:

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BetsyParker said:

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Texasclipper said:

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tylercsbn9 said:

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Wait so using past tests is now "cheating "? We had a test bank at my fraternity in college.

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Revamping a research paper you did in one class for use in a different class if now "cheating" too. Even though it's your work. If this was cheating back in the 80's when i was in school I sure didn't know it. But it is now.

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I explain this to my students by telling them that the assignments in the class are meant to demonstrate what they've learned in this class. If they have work they've completed for another class that they would like to use as a basis for an assignment, then they should come to office hours/make an appointment so we can discuss how they might be able to incorporate their previous work.

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Sorry Betsy, but I don't see it. What difference does it make if i use some previous work to complete and assignment for your class. If you grade the paper and it demonstrates I met the requirements of the assignment, then i deserve a good grade. What matters is the student demonstrates they have mastered the material as required by the sylabus. And without the "turn it in" database they have today, you would have no way to know otherwise. Knowledge is knowledge regardless of whether it was learned in your class or somewhere else.

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I'm not intending to imply that I agree that reusing your own work is academic dishonesty. I'm just saying this is why I think "they" include it as a form of dishonesty. If, however, you get the instructor's permission to use your previous work, there is no problem.