Don't know if posted above, but states being sued have to file response by Thursday
TX sues GA, MI, WI, and PA at Supreme Court
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Good. Then we'll be rid of this nonsense by Friday.BMX Bandit said:
Don't know if posted above, but states being sued have to file response by Thursday
BMX Bandit said:
Don't know if posted above, but states being sued have to file response by Thursday
Michigan: "The Detroiters have spoken! There was no fraud."
Wisconsin: "We had a secure election. There was no fraud."
Georgia: "Through the looking glass you can see clearly that this was a mostly legal election."
Pennsylvania: "We cheated our butts off. Wait. What was the question?"
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Ranch Dressing said:
Link?
Lou Dobbs said just in
Bawahahaha. This will never be over. 2016 is still raging. Welcome to the new Republic.AggieAL1 said:Good. Then we'll be rid of this nonsense by Friday.BMX Bandit said:
Don't know if posted above, but states being sued have to file response by Thursday
Again, what does "in" mean?
Are these states joining the case as plaintiffs, or are they just posting supportive blurbs on Twitter to get likes?
I feel this is an important distinction that everyone is glossing over.
Are these states joining the case as plaintiffs, or are they just posting supportive blurbs on Twitter to get likes?
I feel this is an important distinction that everyone is glossing over.
From what I have seen, Louisiana, Arkansas and Alabama AG's have released statements in support of the Texas lawsuit against PN, GA, MI and WI. However, I have not seen them join in t he suit as a plaintiff, which is an important distinction. Hopefully this happens, we'll see.
“Therefore do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble."
-Matthew 6:34
-Matthew 6:34
I'm just reading them logically to see what they say instead of trying to rationalize what they say to mean something different.BusterAg said:It tells me something that you feel that way.Panama Red said:
He may be a hack, but Internet lawyer Eric76 is taking Internet lawyer BusterAg behind the woodshed on this one.
1) Eric is making the impact that he wants to, even though he's vapid. All he does is restate the Dem arguments as they are presented in their pleadings.
2) You aren't paying very close attention.
BTW, I'm not a lawyer, nor do I pretend to be one.
Reading Article VII from Pennsylvania's Constitution, it was quite clear what they intended. Then reading Kelly's pleading to the Supreme Court showed that something clearly didn't add up. Without the case law available to see what Kelly was referring to, it seemed likely that he was glossing over things to make his case. The best explanation I could think of was that he was argue that past cases treated the Pennsylvania Constitution as it is stated today.
I was wondering why I didn't see anyone expressing the same view as mine.
Then this afternoon, Pennsylvania responded to the Supreme Court and what they said in their response supported my view entirely and provided a better background than I had before.
So you might argue that I'm restating Democratic arguments here, but my so-called "restatement" is well before they even made the arguments that I am supposedly restating.
I hope that what the Democrats and the Republicans learn is that if we want to improve our elections, we cannot wait until Election Day or even a month or two before the election. By that time, the rules are pretty much set and any complaints about them are nothing but a bunch of sour grapes.BusterAg said:Beached Whale said:
Wow the election that never ends. I guess we should have expected our partisan, litigious society to devolve into endless election lawsuits. Great precedent to set for future generations when you think you've lost the election - justified as "never stopping the fight!". Will be interesting to see what the Dems learn from this playbook in '24 when Kamala loses to some new R candidate and the political center further deteriorates.
This is a comical win-win strategy for KP. The R partisans will eat it up, it distracts from his own issues, he knows he won't be responsible for a constitutional crisis of his making bc it's not going anywhere, and the R taxpayers can foot the legal/admin bill in the name of some twisted sense of protecting democracy
Hopefully, what Dems learn, is that it is important to follow election law, unlike their behavior in 2020.
We should start now on getting Election Law ready for the 2028 election. If everyone just sits back and whines, as usual, they won't get much done.
Silliness?AggieAL1 said:
What difference does it make how many states join this silliness. Any plaintiff state would have to show actual harm from the other states' actions (in this case harm to the state itself, not its hypothetical residents) to gain consideration for relief.
The outcome of the election in other states does no certifiable harm to the state of Texas. Any claim to that end would be speculative and not actionable.
Plus (although it's not a legitimate claim) how the election turned out in Pennsylvania or any other state does no harm to any Texas citizen, i.e. diluting his vote. Under the electoral college, a Texas voter's share of his state's elector votes (and that's the limit of his impact) isn't diluted by voter shares in other states.
Is there any damn way we can let them have Biden, and we keep Trump.
Are you serious?
If State A follows the law, and State B does not follow the law, or creates new "laws" illegally, thereby resulting in results that are fraudulent, the votes in State A are cancelled out.
At the very least, the citizens of State A are not being provided Equal Protection under the law, as guaranteed by the 14th.
Do you really not understand that???
Or are you being intentionally obtuse?
If State A follows the law, and State B does not follow the law, or creates new "laws" illegally, thereby resulting in results that are fraudulent, the votes in State A are cancelled out.
At the very least, the citizens of State A are not being provided Equal Protection under the law, as guaranteed by the 14th.
Do you really not understand that???
Or are you being intentionally obtuse?
Anti-taxxer said:
Are you serious?
If State A follows the law, and State B does not follow the law, or creates new "laws" illegally, thereby resulting in results that are fraudulent, the votes in State A are cancelled out.
At the very least, the citizens of State A are not being provided Equal Protection under the law, as guaranteed by the 14th.
Do you really not understand that???
Or are you being intentionally obtuse?
Why not both?
eric76 said:I hope that what the Democrats and the Republicans learn is that if we want to improve our elections, we cannot wait until Election Day or even a month or two before the election. By that time, the rules are pretty much set and any complaints about them are nothing but a bunch of sour grapes.BusterAg said:Beached Whale said:
Wow the election that never ends. I guess we should have expected our partisan, litigious society to devolve into endless election lawsuits. Great precedent to set for future generations when you think you've lost the election - justified as "never stopping the fight!". Will be interesting to see what the Dems learn from this playbook in '24 when Kamala loses to some new R candidate and the political center further deteriorates.
This is a comical win-win strategy for KP. The R partisans will eat it up, it distracts from his own issues, he knows he won't be responsible for a constitutional crisis of his making bc it's not going anywhere, and the R taxpayers can foot the legal/admin bill in the name of some twisted sense of protecting democracy
Hopefully, what Dems learn, is that it is important to follow election law, unlike their behavior in 2020.
We should start now on getting Election Law ready for the 2028 election. If everyone just sits back and whines, as usual, they won't get much done.
Democrats want nationwide universal mail in voting. It was included as pork in the stimulus package that was rejected. They want less accountability, not more.
Democrats say that voter ID requirements are racist because minorities are too dumb to figure out how to get an ID.
In local elections in some California cities foreigners are allowed to vote. Do they get a different ballot for federal elections if both local and federal candidates are on the ballot?
Democrats are doing more to make elections less secure, less reliable, and have less integrity. They don't want election reform were citizens have to prove they are eligible to vote in that precinct, where results can easily be auditable, and all citizens can be assured that the person with the most legal votes won.
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n the brief submitted to the Supreme Court, Texas includes a declaration from Pacific Economics Group member and USC economics professor, Charles J. Cicchetti, Ph.D.
Dr. Cicchetti is the former Deputy Director at the Energy and Environmental Policy Center at Harvard University's John Kennedy School of Government and received his Ph.D. in economics from Rutgers University.
According to Dr. Cicchetti, his calculations show the probability of Joe Biden winning the popular vote in the four states independently given President Trump's early lead in those States as of 3 a.m. on November 4, 2020, is less than one in a quadrillion.
Dr. Cicchetti's analysis calculates that for Joe Biden to win all four states collectively, the odds of that event happening decrease to less than one in a quadrillion to the fourth power (1 in 1 1,000,000,000,000,0004).
NO AMNESTY!
in order for democrats, liberals, progressives et al to continue their illogical belief systems they have to pretend not to know a lot of things; by pretending "not to know" there is no guilt, no actual connection to conscience. Denial of truth allows easier trespass.
in order for democrats, liberals, progressives et al to continue their illogical belief systems they have to pretend not to know a lot of things; by pretending "not to know" there is no guilt, no actual connection to conscience. Denial of truth allows easier trespass.
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'Cause the South's gonna do it again..."
'Cause the South's gonna do it again..."
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rab79 said:Quote:
n the brief submitted to the Supreme Court, Texas includes a declaration from Pacific Economics Group member and USC economics professor, Charles J. Cicchetti, Ph.D.
Dr. Cicchetti is the former Deputy Director at the Energy and Environmental Policy Center at Harvard University's John Kennedy School of Government and received his Ph.D. in economics from Rutgers University.
According to Dr. Cicchetti, his calculations show the probability of Joe Biden winning the popular vote in the four states independently given President Trump's early lead in those States as of 3 a.m. on November 4, 2020, is less than one in a quadrillion.
Dr. Cicchetti's analysis calculates that for Joe Biden to win all four states collectively, the odds of that event happening decrease to less than one in a quadrillion to the fourth power (1 in 1 1,000,000,000,000,0004).
Again, read the analysis of how he came up with those numbers.
I think we should be skeptical of this reporting.fooz said:Silliness?AggieAL1 said:
What difference does it make how many states join this silliness. Any plaintiff state would have to show actual harm from the other states' actions (in this case harm to the state itself, not its hypothetical residents) to gain consideration for relief.
The outcome of the election in other states does no certifiable harm to the state of Texas. Any claim to that end would be speculative and not actionable.
Plus (although it's not a legitimate claim) how the election turned out in Pennsylvania or any other state does no harm to any Texas citizen, i.e. diluting his vote. Under the electoral college, a Texas voter's share of his state's elector votes (and that's the limit of his impact) isn't diluted by voter shares in other states.
I believe up to 7 states have come back in support of the lawsuit, I dont believe any more (not even Louisianna as I thought initially) has joined the suit officially as plaintiffs who suffered injury.If you look at the LA AGs statement: it says
Quote:
Weeks ago, on behalf of the citizens of Louisiana, my office joined many other states in filing a legal brief with the United States Supreme Court urging the Justices to look into the conduct of the election in Pennsylvania where their state court ignored the U.S. Constitution in regard to the conduct of the election.
But if you click on the highlighted link where he mentions the suit that he joined, it is not the Texas filing, but PA v. Boockvar, which has to do with ballot time extension being unconstitutional since it was done in the courts, not the legislature, not the Equal Protection Clause rebuke that the Texas case asserts.
Even above, the AR AG came back and said she supports the motion with in all legally appropriate manners.
What the hell does that mean? It's pretty vague and is pretty easy to weasel out of.
tl;dr: Press releases to make it seem like they are doing something, but not jumping into the fight. Basically useless. Need to put more pressure on these people.
Full disclosure, I know very little about the law, this is just my understanding of what I have tried to research.
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Anti-taxxer said:
Are you serious?
If State A follows the law, and State B does not follow the law, or creates new "laws" illegally, thereby resulting in results that are fraudulent, the votes in State A are cancelled out.
At the very least, the citizens of State A are not being provided Equal Protection under the law, as guaranteed by the 14th.
Do you really not understand that???
Or are you being intentionally obtuse?
Why do you bother to reason with people without reason? They know these elections, something that used to be a mainstay of American democracy, were fixed. Yet, they gleefully defend the indefensible because the results suit them. If they succeed I hope each and every one of them suffers in the lawless banana republic they've foisted upon this nation.
So the correct answer is to give up?BuddysBud said:eric76 said:I hope that what the Democrats and the Republicans learn is that if we want to improve our elections, we cannot wait until Election Day or even a month or two before the election. By that time, the rules are pretty much set and any complaints about them are nothing but a bunch of sour grapes.BusterAg said:Beached Whale said:
Wow the election that never ends. I guess we should have expected our partisan, litigious society to devolve into endless election lawsuits. Great precedent to set for future generations when you think you've lost the election - justified as "never stopping the fight!". Will be interesting to see what the Dems learn from this playbook in '24 when Kamala loses to some new R candidate and the political center further deteriorates.
This is a comical win-win strategy for KP. The R partisans will eat it up, it distracts from his own issues, he knows he won't be responsible for a constitutional crisis of his making bc it's not going anywhere, and the R taxpayers can foot the legal/admin bill in the name of some twisted sense of protecting democracy
Hopefully, what Dems learn, is that it is important to follow election law, unlike their behavior in 2020.
We should start now on getting Election Law ready for the 2028 election. If everyone just sits back and whines, as usual, they won't get much done.
Democrats want nationwide universal mail in voting. It was included as pork in the stimulus package that was rejected. They want less accountability, not more.
Democrats say that voter ID requirements are racist because minorities are too dumb to figure out how to get an ID.
In local elections in some California cities foreigners are allowed to vote. Do they get a different ballot for federal elections if both local and federal candidates are on the ballot?
Democrats are doing more to make elections less secure, less reliable, and have less integrity. They don't want election reform were citizens have to prove they are eligible to vote in that precinct, where results can easily be auditable, and all citizens can be assured that the person with the most legal votes won.
eric76 said:I hope that what the Democrats and the Republicans learn is that if we want to improve our elections, we cannot wait until Election Day or even a month or two before the election. By that time, the rules are pretty much set and any complaints about them are nothing but a bunch of sour grapes.BusterAg said:Beached Whale said:
Wow the election that never ends. I guess we should have expected our partisan, litigious society to devolve into endless election lawsuits. Great precedent to set for future generations when you think you've lost the election - justified as "never stopping the fight!". Will be interesting to see what the Dems learn from this playbook in '24 when Kamala loses to some new R candidate and the political center further deteriorates.
This is a comical win-win strategy for KP. The R partisans will eat it up, it distracts from his own issues, he knows he won't be responsible for a constitutional crisis of his making bc it's not going anywhere, and the R taxpayers can foot the legal/admin bill in the name of some twisted sense of protecting democracy
Hopefully, what Dems learn, is that it is important to follow election law, unlike their behavior in 2020.
We should start now on getting Election Law ready for the 2028 election. If everyone just sits back and whines, as usual, they won't get much done.
I predict we sink mail in voting this election cycle.
Most of those mail in vote rules were violations of state law, anyways.
Florida cleaned up its act pretty quick. The voters in swing states are not going to be happy with this fiasco, and money from at least 10 states is going to pour into the swing states to unseat whoever is in charge of elections.
Presumably, Dems shouldn't object, as there is purportedly no fraud anyways, according to them.
I think your timeline is 400% too long.
Obtuse. That's a cute word. But no, I don't understand that. States are empowered to set their own election laws. A voter might be able to claim some harm if his state deliberately or recklessly fails to follow its election laws, but that does no actionable harm to voters in other states.Anti-taxxer said:
Are you serious?
If State A follows the law, and State B does not follow the law, or creates new "laws" illegally, thereby resulting in results that are fraudulent, the votes in State A are cancelled out.
At the very least, the citizens of State A are not being provided Equal Protection under the law, as guaranteed by the 14th.
Do you really not understand that???
Or are you being intentionally obtuse?
If you read up, you'll find that the 14th Amendment equal protection clause protects citizens from state laws which abridge their U.S. "privileges or immunities." The United States had no dog in this fight, unless you buy Trump's occasional boasts that he is the United States.
You might also note the clause adds "nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." Texans aren't within Pennsylvania's jurisdiction.
I suspect that voter ID and mail in ballots will be a huge issue in 2022 when it comes to doners.
GOP supporting vote reform will get money. Those who do not will not. It will sort itself out. Too bad it's too late this go around.
GOP supporting vote reform will get money. Those who do not will not. It will sort itself out. Too bad it's too late this go around.
Exactly. Very proud moment for our state.AggieRain said:Not to this Texan...schmendeler said:
embarrassing for our state.
ttu_85 said:Bawahahaha. This will never be over. 2016 is still raging. Welcome to the new Republic.AggieAL1 said:Good. Then we'll be rid of this nonsense by Friday.BMX Bandit said:
Don't know if posted above, but states being sued have to file response by Thursday
This. It is foolish to think that the anger about this will pass when Trump passes the baton.
We will be rid of this nonsense when meaningful election reform is passed, and mail in voting gets beheaded. Not until then.
Beached Whale said:
Wow the election that never ends. I guess we should have expected our partisan, litigious society to devolve into endless election lawsuits. Great precedent to set for future generations when you think you've lost the election - justified as "never stopping the fight!". Will be interesting to see what the Dems learn from this playbook in '24 when Kamala loses to some new R candidate and the political center further deteriorates.
This is a comical win-win strategy for KP. The R partisans will eat it up, it distracts from his own issues, he knows he won't be responsible for a constitutional crisis of his making bc it's not going anywhere, and the R taxpayers can foot the legal/admin bill in the name of some twisted sense of protecting democracy
I think many States have been asking for this to happen for a long time because they have ignored minor fraud in elections forever. It just so happens the fraud this year was huge because Trump got so many more millions of voters than anyone ever so the fraud got majorly exposed when the DEMs had to go all out because "Orange man can't be allowed to win again, he's so bad."
People have been asking for voter ID and election reforms for years, but the DEMs have been fighting it for years crying "Voter Supression" which is total BS...
I think Texas and the rest of these states have a damn good argument. If these states cannot police their own election and follow their own laws, and make up crap as they go, then it hurts voters in the entire nation in a Federal election.
I also think this gives the Supreme Court an easier way to make rulings on this election when it is not just Trump vs these states, and I think that scares the crap out of the DEMs....When you have 2 of the most populous states in the US behind this, Texas and Florida, it will be hard for the SCOTUS to ignore the argument.
VanZandt92 said:
Wait because trump told you mail in voting bad? There is no evidence. Mail in is the way of the future. That was just a way for trump to claim election fraud.
Here's something I just read, " Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton (R) on Tuesday filed a brash and sweeping complaint that asked the court to overturn Biden's wins in the swing states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin and Georgia.
Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel (D) called it a "publicity stunt, not a serious legal pleading."
"Mr. Paxton's actions are beneath the dignity of the office of attorney general and the people of the great state of Texas," Nessel said"
When does the delusion stop with following trump? He wasn't predicted to win and there was a giant movement to stop him. Before the election, it was widely reported that results would change as absentee and mail in got counted because trump convinced his cult not to do absentee in the middle of a pandemic. Then it happened.
Do I have to boil this all down? Trump is immensely unpopular and there wasn't any cheating. Hell I'm surprised he won North Carolina.
Worst troll on TA... 'edit because I'm sure the word will get me a ban'
John Maplethorpe said:
It was revealed when you said you could write a code to flip votes and print a ballot with the opposite selection. Clearly you thought the BMDs were capable of recording votes instead of just dumb air-gapped printers.
Your theory doesn't work, people would see wrong selections on their paper ballot, which is the official record of the vote.
In Texas they took that print out and carried it to a scanner where it was uploaded-scanned it into the system. The scanner could alter the reading correct?
It may be 400% too long for band-aids. I may be too optimistic if we want actual reform that means anything.BusterAg said:eric76 said:I hope that what the Democrats and the Republicans learn is that if we want to improve our elections, we cannot wait until Election Day or even a month or two before the election. By that time, the rules are pretty much set and any complaints about them are nothing but a bunch of sour grapes.BusterAg said:Beached Whale said:
Wow the election that never ends. I guess we should have expected our partisan, litigious society to devolve into endless election lawsuits. Great precedent to set for future generations when you think you've lost the election - justified as "never stopping the fight!". Will be interesting to see what the Dems learn from this playbook in '24 when Kamala loses to some new R candidate and the political center further deteriorates.
This is a comical win-win strategy for KP. The R partisans will eat it up, it distracts from his own issues, he knows he won't be responsible for a constitutional crisis of his making bc it's not going anywhere, and the R taxpayers can foot the legal/admin bill in the name of some twisted sense of protecting democracy
Hopefully, what Dems learn, is that it is important to follow election law, unlike their behavior in 2020.
We should start now on getting Election Law ready for the 2028 election. If everyone just sits back and whines, as usual, they won't get much done.
I predict we sink mail in voting this election cycle.
Most of those mail in vote rules were violations of state law, anyways.
Florida cleaned up its act pretty quick. The voters in swing states are not going to be happy with this fiasco, and money from at least 10 states is going to pour into the swing states to unseat whoever is in charge of elections.
Presumably, Dems shouldn't object, as there is purportedly no fraud anyways, according to them.
I think your timeline is 400% too long.
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