Let's just get some adjustable voting machines for our state and set them to be "fair" in Red state favor. Follow the same rules as the democrats.

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Paxton is a political hack, but that's why people love him in spite of his alleged crimes. When's his court date?

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What politician isn't a political hack? The world would be a better place if aliens dropped a dome over DC and used Megamaid to suck the air out.

So, Texas wants all of this relief and has also offered to pay for the cost?

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John Maplethorpe said:

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I'm not against that, but I'll point out all the states examine and audit the source code before they certify machines for use.

Think about how audacious and impractical this theory is and the unhinged people pushing it on the flimsiest pretext. It would never work with paper ballots.

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You just dont stop. Uh was paper the initial source of the Ga vote ?

That one question and its answer makes you look idiotic. Yes anyone questioning that is unhinged. Troll

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So your example code,

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example Code

vote=getVote();

if (vote =='r') { // is it a Repub vote
int scam = random(100);....//get a random number
if(scam == 50) {
......++demVote;
..} else ++repVote;
if(vote=='d') ++demVote;

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You're saying this code is on the 'voting' machines, not the 'tabulation' machines scanning and tabulating the paper trail? That would be easily discovered. In fact, the machines have already tested. On to the multitude of other frivolous accusations in the con.

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Note the very top line of my post: EXAMPLE CODE

Not if it was compiled on a client. Most source code is compile to machine code unless it is interpreted. Then there are those systems on the internet that have backend servers that do the vast majority of processing.-- Those also run source code- Java, PHP, python From the nature of your question, I suggest you need to study the following:

compiled code - executable machine code
source code - examples C, C++, Java
interpreted code- examples python, javascript. nodejs

Unless you know how software is built, you will not understand the nature of the concern

Did Texas forget that States are sovereign?

(Sigh) He's not in DC.

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(Sigh) He's not in DC.

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The aliens only have one dome. Gotta make it count.

asandl said:

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In a year of stupid election lawsuits, this is arguably the stupidest (and that is saying something).
Lawyers who filed this should be embarrassed.

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Oh, I don't even want to think about what Paxton was doing as he clicked on "submit".

In you example a voter votes Trump but the paper ballot prints Biden correct? The BMDs don't record any votes, they aren't connected to anything.

We understand what you're saying, nobody denies code can be malicious, we're saying it doesn't work that way. The paper ballot is the official record and gets counted by another machine.

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So, Texas wants all of this relief and has also offered to pay for the cost?

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no. Texas wants all this relief and wants to be paid back any costs incurred in this lawsuit.

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In you example a voter votes Trump but the paper ballot prints Biden correct? The BMDs don't record any votes, they aren't connected to anything.

We understand what you're saying, nobody denies code can be malicious, we're saying it doesn't work that way. The paper ballot is the official record and gets counted by another machine.

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Given a Ga voter FIRST creates their vote on computer generated form probably HTML/JS . That loaded form can be processed or manipulated Before its printed locally or after

Show me an example where we can be sure, without the source code, that vote hasn't been tampered with. The state of Texas and others sure had concerns regarding Dominion.

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John Maplethorpe said:

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In you example a voter votes Trump but the paper ballot prints Biden correct? The BMDs don't record any votes, they aren't connected to anything.

We understand what you're saying, nobody denies code can be malicious, we're saying it doesn't work that way. The paper ballot is the official record and gets counted by another machine.

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Given a Ga voter FIRST creates their vote on computer generated form probably HTML/JS . That loaded form can be processed or manipulated Before its printed locally or after

Show me an example where we can be sure, without the source code, that vote hasn't been tampered with. The state of Texas and others sure had concerns regarding Dominion.

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If we are going down that rabbit hole, even if the source code was provided, how can someone prove other code wasn't used and then the machines were reset to factory code? And down and down we go.

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embarrassing for our state.

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Maybe it will stop the "blue wave" of refugees from CA and other liberal states and create a reverse flow with libs leaving TX. You should lock in your U-haul reservation now. U-haul will practically pay you to take a truck to CA.

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Texas argues that these states violated the Electors Clause of the Constitution because they made changes to voting rules and procedures through the courts or through executive actions, but not through the state legislatures. Additionally, Texas argues that there were differences in voting rules and procedures in different counties within the states, violating the Constitution's Equal Protection Clause. Finally, Texas argues that there were "voting irregularities" in these states as a result of the above.

Texas is asking the Supreme Court to order the states to allow their legislatures to appoint their electors.

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So what harm does the suit say Texas (the state or on behalf of the people?) suffered?

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Is harm required in Controversies among States or is proof of violating the Constitution enough?

Eta: if harm is required, then such suits would arise from whom? The people of the particular state only? You could even make the case no one was 'harmed' yet the Constitution was still violated.

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Wouldn't the harm be that election fraud in some states potentially invalidates votes of people in all states?

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In this case yes, because its a federal election. What about voter fraud for state and local offices?. Could Texas sue non-federal elections or would that have to come from the citizens and residents of the particular state?

eta: And changing rules mid-stream, while wrong, improper, shady and possibly illegal doesn't necessarily constitute fraud. Fraud has necessary legal tests to be met so going after the process, is much easier than claiming specific wrongdoing.

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John Maplethorpe said:

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In you example a voter votes Trump but the paper ballot prints Biden correct? The BMDs don't record any votes, they aren't connected to anything.

We understand what you're saying, nobody denies code can be malicious, we're saying it doesn't work that way. The paper ballot is the official record and gets counted by another machine.

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Given a Ga voter FIRST creates their vote on computer generated form probably HTML/JS . That loaded form can be processed or manipulated Before its printed locally or after

Show me an example where we can be sure, without the source code, that vote hasn't been tampered with. The state of Texas and others sure had concerns regarding Dominion.

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the printed form has who the voter selected written in english on it. they did a manual hand recount of these printed forms. the vote tally was essentially identical across the entire state. where is the room for tampering?

the voter gets the printed ballot. If they voted "Trump" and see "Biden" on their printed ballot, they don't have to put it in the ballot box.

If the software had been changing votes by the thousands, this would have been all over the news and in thousands of affidavits.

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In you example a voter votes Trump but the paper ballot prints Biden correct? The BMDs don't record any votes, they aren't connected to anything.

We understand what you're saying, nobody denies code can be malicious, we're saying it doesn't work that way. The paper ballot is the official record and gets counted by another machine.

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Given a Ga voter FIRST creates their vote on computer generated form probably HTML/JS . That loaded form can be processed or manipulated Before its printed locally or after

Show me an example where we can be sure, without the source code, that vote hasn't been tampered with. The state of Texas and others sure had concerns regarding Dominion.

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If we are going down that rabbit hole, even if the source code was provided, how can someone prove other code wasn't used and then the machines were reset to factory code? And down and down we go.

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Very true that is why reforms and TRANSPARENCY are in dire need.

To answer your question. There has long been certification and validation methods. Compiled software is truly black box but a developer can embed code in apps that produce data streams that are invisible to a user or even a hacker. This data can be read by other software for authentication. I did stuff like this in the early 90's. Your point is a good one. In the future you will be hearing alot about this very issue

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John Maplethorpe said:

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In you example a voter votes Trump but the paper ballot prints Biden correct? The BMDs don't record any votes, they aren't connected to anything.

We understand what you're saying, nobody denies code can be malicious, we're saying it doesn't work that way. The paper ballot is the official record and gets counted by another machine.

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Given a Ga voter FIRST creates their vote on computer generated form probably HTML/JS . That loaded form can be processed or manipulated Before its printed locally or after

Show me an example where we can be sure, without the source code, that vote hasn't been tampered with. The state of Texas and others sure had concerns regarding Dominion.

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the printed form has who the voter selected written in english on it. they did a manual hand recount of these printed forms. the vote tally was essentially identical across the entire state. where is the room for tampering?

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Was it a count or an audit ?

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I predicted this, will Texas be the only one?

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This is definitely what is needed. Its a form of this suggested just this morning:

8:35a (texags.com)